I'm gonna have go with the piece of shit that isn't a virulent racist
We are talking about Biden, right
I'm gonna have go with the piece of shit that isn't a virulent racist
Will he though? His actions haven't suggested as much.
Yeah people voted for himIf only we had like 4 years or something to find a good progressive candidate. It's really too bad that Biden is the only democratic candidate, right guys? It's just too bad
Biden is a virtulent racist tho....weve had NUMEROUS threads here about it.Saying that you are willing to hold your nose and vote for Biden in order to avoid a complete collapse of modern American society has nothing to do with whether or not you believe his accuser. For example I for one am willing to believe her until proven otherwise. However I also realize that if it comes down to Biden vs Trump then the choice is obvious. I'm gonna have go with the piece of shit that isn't a virulent racist that has actively tried to destroy the country and kill people (especially people of color) for the past 3 years. Not because I like the guy or because I WANT to vote for him, but because I have no damned choice in the matter due to how utterly fucked the American political system is.
If people don't want to vote for Biden then that's fine. Don't vote for him, but just be prepared for the distinct possibility that Trump wins the election and gets to stack the Supreme Court. Because while Democrats may have the moral fortitude to abstain from voting for a piece of shit you better fucking believe that Republicans don't have those same scruples. They will show up in droves to vote for their glorious orange racist regardless of what happens in these coming months.
You're right the establishment did literally nothing to push Biden. Oh wait, that's a fucking lie.
The primary isn't over, Biden isn't the only choice. Democrat voters need to make noise about this, need to make it clear that this isn't acceptable, force him to drop out. Who his delegates go to after that is up to them, whether they go to Bernie or some moderate who comes back into the race is their business but Biden doesn't need to be the option.Does it matter if we lose no matter what?
I suppose the third option is a dummy presidency where Trump twiddles his thumbs for another 4 years hampered?
Are we entertaining this so that we may keep a clear conscience?
Thank you
Also, there are also a lot of people on this site who are trying to silence and downplay the accusation of rape. A lot of people who call themselves progressives but are now showing their asses completely.
Believe and support women*
Fuck Joe Biden
*unless that woman impacts my political allegiances
Jesus Christ...I wouldn't shame anyone. It's as simple as, between two rapists, which is least bad for the least amount of people. If your third option (of either not voting or writing in) means the worst rapist wins, you might want to reconsider if that's really an option. It's simple math.
hmmm... idk about this logicI wouldn't shame anyone. It's as simple as, between two rapists, which is least bad for the least amount of people. If your third option (of either not voting or writing in) means the worst rapist wins, you might want to reconsider if that's really an option. It's simple math.
Are you claiming Biden would not be a better president than Trump??? That's just silly.If Biden wins the primary and the general now, it proves that the Democrats don't even need to be better than the republicans to get voted in
US population is 300 million and we can't compromise on just having a candidate who isn't a rapist my god.
I don't think it will matter because in a race between two rapists the incumbent will almost definitely win. The DNC is going to hand Trump his second term and it won't be the fault of people who don't want to vote for a rapist OR those who will hold their nose in an attempt to oust Trump.
enlighten us
Why are we ignoring the broad implications
Are the anxieties of those who fear what Trump will do with another 4 years any less abhorrent?
Even the OP goes only so far as to say... "Do not shame those who refuse to vote for him"
That doesnt mean empathy for those that are also affected in traumatic ways by everything Trump has done are any less valid
We keep putting all our individuals between a rock and a hard place when we all want the same thing and yet going around calling other people insensitive frauds because we are consdiering risks from different points of perspective?
Whats the cure to this exactly outside of what the OP has suggested huh?
Note: There are reasons to vote for Joe Biden due to our shitty election and I do not judge people for it.
You want people to vote for Biden? Fine, there are plenty of reasons one could chose to vote for him. But don't mock others for deciding they don't want to vote for a rapist.
I'm not going to scold people for voting for Biden. I'm just expressing that I will not vote for a rapist with multiple allegations of sexual misconduct. I'm still voting, but not for Joe Biden. If the progression of constantly lowering the bar to republican standards is what the democratic party represents then we're in deep shit either way.Saying that you are willing to hold your nose and vote for Biden in order to avoid a complete collapse of modern American society has nothing to do with whether or not you believe his accuser. For example I for one am willing to believe her until proven otherwise. However I also realize that if it comes down to Biden vs Trump then the choice is obvious. I'm gonna have go with the piece of shit that isn't a virulent racist that has actively tried to destroy the country and kill people (especially people of color) for the past 3 years. Not because I like the guy or because I WANT to vote for him, but because I have no damned choice in the matter due to how utterly fucked the American political system is.
If people don't want to vote for Biden then that's fine. Don't vote for him, but just be prepared for the distinct possibility that Trump wins the election and gets to stack the Supreme Court. Because while Democrats may have the moral fortitude to abstain from voting for a piece of shit you better fucking believe that Republicans don't have those same scruples. They will show up in droves to vote for their glorious orange racist regardless of what happens in these coming months.
I would love for it to be anyone but those two, but the idea that Bernie will reemerge or be able to be supported by the army of moderate capitalist democrats and their business interests is unlikely. The whole system is fucked. Here's hoping though.
I'm saying if the DNC gathers in support of a rapist and the voters support this decision then they've proven they will vote for literally anyone no matter what the democrats do. Trump is not relevant to the point I was making,Are you claiming Biden would not be a better president than Trump??? That's just silly.
Not that poster but if you truly think that "duh voterz" are the only reason why Biden is front running you're deluded beyond belief. They (the DNC) have spent countless efforts in making sure that is the case.
The primary isn't over, Biden isn't the only choice. Democrat voters need to make noise about this, need to make it clear that this isn't acceptable, force him to drop out. Who his delegates go to after that is up to them, whether they go to Bernie or some moderate who comes back into the race is their business but Biden doesn't need to be the option.
I thought 4 years of bickering over politics in this community would have shown that you can't consistently shame people into behaving the way you want them to. All it does is make everyone involved mad and upset.
Yeah the VP who started putting kids in cages and mocked an immigrant family for bringing it up to him at a rally is going to release those kids in cages. Totally.
If so many people are gung ho about electing a rapist, they can do it without me.
This is me verbatim. I get abstaining if you don't live in a purple state. Biden sucks, but the people have spoken. RGB is hanging on by a thread and the southern states are gearing up for a fight vs abortion, LGBT rights, and affirmative action. I get voting for an accused rapist sucks but you're damn right when so much shit is on the line, I'm going to pick the lesser of the 2 rapists.Biden wasn't my pick in the primary. I don't like him at all, but if this what I have to go with in the election then I'll vote for him. And to be honest, I'm a pretty successful black man, even under Trump. My life may not change at all if he continues to be president. However I'm not voting so that only my life can be better. There are millions suffering because of him so it's an easy choice.
This is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people defaulting to fucking dismissing, downplaying and attempting to silence her story, regardless of the way they're voting. It's happening all over the PoliERA thread and just in general.Saying that you are willing to hold your nose and vote for Biden in order to avoid a complete collapse of modern American society has nothing to do with whether or not you believe his accuser.
Vote for your god damn local elections then. You don't want to elect a fucking rapist? Fine. Don't sit out completely.
I literally said in the fucking post that Biden's delegates can do whatever the fuck they want. Even if Biden drops out, I doubt the DNC would be fine with Bernie winning so another moderate will definitely rise up to replace Biden and the delegates may go for them. This isn't about getting Bernie to win, its about preventing a rapist from becoming the democratic candidate.How very shrewd
Trust me Bernie was my second choice but he had his chance over and over and over again to capture the majority of the public to his side
Fair or unfair we are so late in this now and this is the final play?
Do what you want but maybe we all agree to stop shaming each other and let the cards where they lay then?
Is Biden worse than Trump in your opinion? Would 4 years of Biden and a Supreme Court Justice picked by him be worse than 4 more years of Trump and his own SCOTUS nominee? Because that's how I am looking at it. I don't like Biden in the slightest. I don't like his personality, I don't like his opinions on important issues, and I certainly don't like all of the personal statements and issues that surrounds him. But he is still not as bad as Trump and will not do as much damage as Trump.Biden is a virtulent racist tho....weve had NUMEROUS threads here about it.
Don't vote for "Biden" then.
Vote for the least privileged among us.
Full stop.
You should try listening to thisDoes anyone here think Biden would push through a sexual assaulter to the supreme court like Trump did?
It is really too bad that Bernie and Warren couldn't run better campaigns, I agree.If only we had like 4 years or something to find a good progressive candidate. It's really too bad that Biden is the only democratic candidate, right guys? It's just too bad
You're right the establishment did literally nothing to push Biden. Oh wait, that's a fucking lie.