lol at what point did I say I would skip the other ballot boxes? This hostility is completely unearned.
"They can do without me" makes it sound like you're not going to show up at all.
lol at what point did I say I would skip the other ballot boxes? This hostility is completely unearned.
What I mean by that is people called for nominees like Trump or Kavanaugh to drop out/resign because of incredibly similar allegations, but now that it's our guy suddenly he's given a free pass. Where's the consistency aside from political opportunism? Your vote is your vote, but trying to shame people into voting for an alleged rapist is not okay.
Hahahaha I said it before and say it again, Trump and Biden are the same.
Yes he is. Don't feel shamed into voting for anyone. But they are not the same. Especially in terms of how their presidency will impact the country.
I'm not sure it's so simple, though. Part of the conversation goes into the consequences of one's feelings and trauma, on both sides of the equation. I know people understand that, but it doesn't broker much discussion I feel like? It's almost impossible to separate the greater discussion from the individuals discussing it. Hell, I've seen people that are both survivors of sexual assault go for each other's throats over this.
Maybe it's just one of those things that won't have any satisfactory conclusion at the end of the day because it inevitably turns into, "You have the facts, do with them as you will and leave people alone if they feel differently." But I feel like that doesn't really change anything, or even put us on the road to change. It doesn't broker empathy.
I know that's a shitty way to look at it, but it's a shit political system in a shit country full of shit people so I don't really have a choice.
Oh okay then that's my mistake. I thought you were trying to say that people who are still going to vote for Biden also don't believe her story. Sorry.This is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people defaulting to fucking dismissing, downplaying and attempting to silence her story, regardless of the way they're voting. It's happening all over the PoliERA thread and just in general.
Where does that response say anything about cages?This kind of response is extremely disingenuous when you look at the fact that the Obama administration built those cages in the first place.
What I mean by that is people called for nominees like Trump or Kavanaugh to drop out/resign because of incredibly similar allegations, but now that it's our guy suddenly he's given a free pass. Where's the consistency aside from political opportunism? Your vote is your vote, but trying to shame people into voting for an alleged rapist is not okay.
"They can do without me" makes it sound like you're not going to show up at all.
Damn you're right, Biden has just run THAT good of a campaign!! He truly is charisma personified!! No luck involved, 100% skillzIt is really too bad that Bernie and Warren couldn't run better campaigns, I agree.
I mean not really. Big-money donors and mainstream media outlets fawned over Pete for months and were pretty critical of Biden. He picked up a lot of endorsements from people who've known him for years, but even in that area he didn't really take off until everyone else had dropped out. As far as establishment support goes, Biden's, given his stature within the party, was pretty pathetic up until a few weeks ago.
Enough to completely change it in 6 or so months so I don't have to choose between these two candidates?Just a quick reminder there are many, many ways to influence the political system outside of voting
No problemOh okay then that's my mistake. I thought you were trying to say that people who are still going to vote for Biden also don't believe her story. Sorry.
Trust me, most Americans forget this. And then we end up having to make threads like these because those people are being stupid about it.Not American here.
But when you vote, it's more then just for the chief of a political party. People should keep that in mind.
Trump and Biden can both get fucked. I'll be voting, but not for either of them.
Trust me, most Americans forget this. And then we end up having to make threads like these because those people are being stupid about it.
The opponent is who you compare him to when choosing who to vote. You don't vote on a president by only looking at what "your side" puts out. You compare their policies and what the lasting impact of their presidency is likely to have. You can also compare their character and morality if that's more important to you than the differences in their policy and respective impacts.I'm saying if the DNC gathers in support of a rapist and the voters support this decision then they've proven they will vote for literally anyone no matter what the democrats do. Trump is not relevant to the point I was making,
I literally said in the fucking post that Biden's delegates can do whatever the fuck they want. Even if Biden drops out, I doubt the DNC would be fine with Bernie winning so another moderate will definitely rise up to replace Biden and the delegates may go for them. This isn't about getting Bernie to win, its about preventing a rapist from becoming the democratic candidate.
Then Trump will win. I don't like Biden, but things will be 100 times worse with Trump in charge for another four years. I don't want Biden in, but what other choice is there?
Enough to completely change it in 6 or so months so I don't have to choose between these two candidates?
They are both rapist, senile, war criminals, racist, etc. The list goes on. They are the same and I assure you nothing would change, if Biden somehow magically defeated Trump, for the working class outside of Biden being a bit quieter. As Joe himself said it!Yes he is. Don't feel shamed into voting for anyone. But they are not the same. Especially in terms of how their presidency will impact the country.
Biden gets a pass on being a racist and a rapist. People just want to look the other way and ignore it. It's absolutely disgusting.Biden is a virtulent racist tho....weve had NUMEROUS threads here about it.
The sad thing is lots of people now think Al Fraken being pushed out was a mistake. Because they've realized that if you just double down and deny it works most of the time.Great OP. I hate this situation and I really wish the Democrats would hold themselves accountable, Al Franken was out of the Senate within days, Biden should be gone right now
People shouldn't be made to feel unsafe on this website, yet when folks are bullying and shaming them for not wanting to vote for a rapist, that's exactly what happens! Questioning their character and accusing them of supporting something worse is disgusting! You don't know who is on the other side of that monitor. There are people who read this site that are victims of sexual assault and they have the right to abstain because of their personal trauma.
You want people to vote for Biden? Fine, there are plenty of reasons one could chose to vote for him. But don't mock others for deciding they don't want to vote for a rapist.
This is diningenous. You know you'll vote for him for re-election regardless of what he does to kids in cages.
it's not that they love rapists. more so they just don't really care about women.
There is, but the Presidency is massive, especially when you factor the Supreme Court influence, which can affect change over decades.Just a quick reminder there are many, many ways to influence the political system outside of voting
This kind of response is extremely disingenuous when you look at the fact that the Obama administration built those cages in the first place.
Now post one of civilians blown apart by Obama/Biden drone strikes.
Biden gets a pass on being a racist and a rapist. People just want to look the other way and ignore it. It's absolutely disgusting.
Well I commend you on your optimism at least. But I don't have that much faith in humanity at this point. I fully expect to be stuck with a bad option and an infinitely worse option this November. And I expect to have to vote for the bad option so that the worse option doesn't completely burn society as we know to the ground.Considering the way our society is undergoing a massive shift because of a virus I would say that with enough mobilization the change will happen sooner than we would otherwise thing.
That said, because of the virus that sort of mobilization is going to be especially risky right now. It's still possible to organize things like rent strikes, etc.
Eh I think he's one and done. Tell me what else I know though.
Actually, we don't have nearly enough topics covering users trying to shame people into voting. We should be having it more frequently to be honest, especially since it's been on the rise since Bloomberg gave a go at the election.I don't agree, I think we need Trump out three years ago, and people dying over the virus due to his failed leadership proves it with each passing day. But either way, this thread is not needed, it's a parody thread and we have enough that discuss this topic already.
The sad thing is lots of people now think Al Fraken being pushed out was a mistake. Because they've realized that if you just double down and deny it works most of the time.
I think most of the shaming comes from people looking at the accusations, and still thinking "Believe Women" means that he is guilty of what she is saying and making a judgement on him. That's not what "believe women" is about. Her claim and accusation should not be discounted, and should be seriously looked into, and not dismissed as a political play or scorned women act of vengeance. It could very well be those things, but jumping to that as the first excuse is just shitty and irresponsible. The accusation should be taken seriously, but to all those saying " I won't vote for him because he is most likely a rapist" is not an appropriate response, yet.
I sincerely hope this accusation is looked into and other people come forward with their stories if it is true. However, I find it suspect that after years of people talking about Biden's overly touchy behavior, none which seems to fit into any sort of sexual predatory category , she is the first and only women to come forward. That sort of behavior, especially of someone of his age and public presence is unlikely to be the only time he has done something of the sort. The man seriously has some boundary issues, but not a single women other than the accuser, has ever said they felt it was some sort of sexual come on to them, and even if it did make them feel uncomfortable it never felt like a sexual intent. This accusation is the first I am aware of, where Biden is accused of malicious sexual behavior.
You couple that with some members here thinking Biden is the devil incarnate, and it seems like some are just looking for anything to throw against him to get him out of the race. More so, they are playing right into the opposing hands, both GOP and alt-right who want you to tear him down over something we frankly don't know much about.
Shaming people into voting for a rapist, or a person with multiple credible accusations is a terrible thing, but that's not what really seems to be happening here. People here seem to be shaming others for rushing to judge him as a rapist, and thus equating him to being "the same as Trump so I just won't vote".
I do want to state, I don't think any of us should be calling this woman a liar or dismissing her claim. It's a serious accusation, and thus it deserves to be seriously looked at, not treated as an already case closed on Biden or dismissed as a political hit.
Do the working class get abortions?They are both rapist, senile, war criminals, racist, etc. The list goes on. They are the same and I assure you nothing would change, if Biden somehow magically defeated Trump, for the working class outside of Biden being a bit quieter. As Joe himself said it!
The idea of drawing any kind of "both sides" equivalency between the mistakes of the Obama administration and the actual fascist, white supremacist scum in the White House right now is fucking disgraceful.
And this is exactly the type of Trumpian "no angel either" whataboutism that is used by his Republican bootlickers to silence criticism of this administrations unprecedented vile and incredibly damaging actions that an entire generation will have to suffer through for decades.