So much for the contrite "I was wrong, thanks for teaching me" act, I guess.
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Shawn Layden blames publishers and developers for lack of PlayStation crossplay (Up: Wargroove dev Chucklefish responds in thread - "We were told no")
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So much for the contrite "I was wrong, thanks for teaching me" act, I guess.
All the while their player base is getting the objectively worst version of these multiplayer games. Kinda sad really.
As gamers and more importantly consumers crossplay helps us all.
Lol did you only read one page? Shills were getting their wigs dragged off on multiple pages.
And if people didn't "give a crap" explain why Sony folded on Fortnite and rocket league. I mean if Sony users didn't care neither of those games would have been allowed crossplay.
Lol did you only read one page? Shills were getting their wigs dragged off on multiple pages.
And if people didn't "give a crap" explain why Sony folded on Fortnite and rocket league. I mean if Sony users didn't care neither of those games would have been allowed crossplay.
I'm sure this felt so smart in your head, but think about what you're exactly suggesting people do. Should we stop calling out bullshit because the company across the street would pull the same bullshit? What exactly does that accomplish except making sure all companies can get away with it?
yeah its hard to reconcile this levelheaded "im one of the good ones!" post with that drivel you posted previously. we dont have to stop acting nothing nor stop calling sony out over this, moreso no when they were caught in a blatant lie.
That doesn't mean they don't want it.
That just means they have to get destiny 3 out the door. They have expressed interest in it but they have never publically said they don't.
Anyone defending Sony's stance on cross play and the bullshit lying they've done about it, including this interview, needs to take a step back and look at this objectively. Just because you like a companies goods and services, doesn't mean you need to die on every hill for them. Consumers don't owe corporations anything.
True, but now instead of just wanting to get MP games on Switch or the One X to play with friends on PlayStation while being a PS4 owner, I'm less likely to buy PlayStation products in the future by reason of Sony acting like the Microsoft that chased people into the arms of Sony back in 2013.
Also, the hidden side benefit of bullying Sony into crossplay is that by haranguing them into giving up their acquired competitive advantage (their larger playerbase), they'll have to start next gen competing on raw power. We would quite literally be forcing Sony to arrive to market with a better product than they might have produced otherwise.
Side note: I'm not actually sure how far the "Sony doesn't want to give up their playerbase" argument really goes, as the majority of Sony's extra users are in places where the Xbox wouldn't sell well anyway, and the install base difference in NA is minor. People from Europe aren't being thrown into matchmaking with people from Texas in any game that actually matters.
I'm completely on board with bullying Sony into this.
Logically, I don't think the install base argument is a very good one, but I bet to Sony it means a lot.
While this is true, this also feeds into the argument of helping the competition in those region don't you think?
If people from Europe start thinking oh 'i'm just going to buy on my switch or Xbox cause crossplay' that's a lost consumer for 'PSN' In a territory they are largely in?.
I think one of the biggest reasons Sony can choose to be so patient and play around with this cross play decision is due to most of their mainstream consumers or PlayStation fans hardly care TBH. People that come for the single player experiences might hardly care about cross play cause even without they still have a huge base.
I think the best time to push this might be exactly at the start of next gen. Equal grounds and all.
Like they can't win over those same people with one of their exclusives down the line.
A company that wants it doesn't do the things they've done.
We have to stop acting that you wouldn't give them shit for it if they did.
Outside of the topic of crossplay, I really hope some people here learned to be more respectful to those in the industry who are willing to share some info from their perspective. There have been a number of insiders and professionals who have stopped sharing or posting entirely here because of inappropriate comments or harassment from warriors here.
I'm not saying we should be kissing anyone's ass but we need to be more respectful and mindful of their contributions because in some ways they put themselves out there and risk their positions at times. They don't owe us anything and I hope that's kept in mind.
I'm not saying we should be kissing anyone's ass but we need to be more respectful and mindful of their contributions because in some ways they put themselves out there and risk their positions at times. They don't owe us anything and I hope that's kept in mind.
https://gamerant.com/bungie-destiny-2-cross-play-850/
It's a topic in the studio, I'm sure it is, once the shackles of the Sony/Activision deal is finally done. (One of the ugliest exclusive deals in the industry putting the COD deals to shame) I expect a change. Where the ball will once again be in Sony's court.
Amen, it got pretty damn disgusting in here for a little bit. The ones who took it too far got the boot though. Having those moments with dev feed back really makes the place unique and makes for some high energy threads.
I mentioned 'PSN' people playing online games are more likely to spend on PlayStation Network (MX, skins dlc and such) compared to those who primarily prefer sp games
PlayStation hardly has any exclusive pushing that angle and PSN is a huge cash cow to Sony.
Talking about it and then acting in a way that's completely contrary to it tells me what?
It absolutely does, but I'm referring more to the online hoi polloi touting Sony loyalty many timezones away as some sort of benefit to themselves re: online playerbases.
I can see why Sony wouldn't want to give up their huge advantage in Europe; Europe has been largely free for Sony for years.
Continuing to have exclusive maps/armor/weapons for year(s) on only one platform. You dont give a shit about cross-platform if you're putting weapons in one person's hands but not in another's. It doesn't work. But Bungie is big on talking and not delivering. The shit-ass season-pass content being the latest example.
Yeah they are tied into a deal made between Sony and Acitvision. Not a deal between Bungie and Sony. There is no exclusive anything for Sony with the annual pass, the last of it was Forsaken.
Just wait until year 3, cross play or progression will probably become a thing.
That's good to hear, but PC and Xbox (presumably) will be waiting to have the Wavespliter for like...6 more months or some shit. It's ridiculous.
IGN is now covering this
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/02/13/devs-publishers-upset-over-lack-of-ps4-cross-play-support
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/02/13/devs-publishers-upset-over-lack-of-ps4-cross-play-support
Thank you :)
Gaijin Entertainment did say they were waiting on a definitive answer from Sony, they were seeking clarification on console-crossplay. This led me to believe and question the pending status, but thankfully, Chucklefish enlightened us soon afer.
Mistakes made, lessons learnt.
I needed clarity. We all know Sony didn't intend to support console cross-play but caved under pressure. And I thought this beta programme was a legit endeavour.
My sincere thanks :)
You're making my point. People buy the console that has the games they want, not necessarily because their friends own one already.
If all your friends own an Xbox but you want to play the niche Japanese games that don't exist on the Xbox, you're saying you'd buy an Xbox just because your friends have it, even though it has less games you want to play?
Yes, there's not any big downside to it from the consumers point of view.
Actually I was missing information, I was wrong about you guys jumping to conclusion. I respect the dev's response and they don't own me an explanation. But I'm not sorry, you cared enough to reply me and I'm definitely not sorry to rile you up a bit.
However I don't think my stance on this issue is different than a lot of you guys. Sony should get their acts together. If you want to be a leading platform holder, you have to take care of your accounts. When your competitors are doing this without a problem. there's something wrong with you. But that doesn't mean I don't want to know more information about this.
Good.
Now the only thing to hope is that journalists won't forget about it one month from now.
Unlike when they announced the beta for "select titles" and nobody asked details until this series of dev callouts...
Worth mentioning that GI also did a follow-up:
https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/0...at-playstation-cross-play-is-open-to-everyone
So at least they're being relatively unbiased about it.
As a Playstation/Switch only owner, can you play every multiplayer game on Xbox with other userbases outside of Playstation?
I'm pretty sure the game has to be built with it in mind, they need a way to mix the users together. So not all games.
No, but there aren't games on other platforms where developers actually put in the work to support crossplay but aren't allowed to enable it.
As I understand it, that's up to the developers. There's no policy preventing them from doing so, as there is with PS4. There's a lot more Xbox-PC cross-play titles because of Xbox live anywhere as well. It's not all, but it's many many more, especially compared to PS4.
No. All major platforms provide some sort of platform-specific matchmaking and connection APIs now. If your game is peer-to-peer then using these is very advantageous cost-wise because you don't need to put your own server on the internet. For now, for crossplay you need your very own server. Both Valve and Microsoft seem to be interested in opening their platform APIs outside the platforms themselves, however, so this is subject to change.
No, the developers will have to add crossplay for their own games. Microsoft isn't stopping developers from doing so, which is different in the case here.
Plus I (and the 12 others) playing on PC would like to join in please!
Nice, it's been getting the coverage it deserves.
Amazing how this always happens during big industry events. First E3, now DICE
Thanks for the responses, everyone! I always got the impression Sony was reluctant to allow cross-play in an effort to bone Microsoft this generation; it feels more like that's the case considering that only a select few games actually have it (some of the bigger games out there that actually have shown an interest in it).
Hopefully Sony moves more towards opening up that gate and Microsoft stays on the right side of the gate if they end up dominating next generation.
Hopefully Sony moves more towards opening up that gate and Microsoft stays on the right side of the gate if they end up dominating next generation.
out of curiousity, Shawn Layden has not commented anything else to the comments from these two devs?
Nope. He got caught blatantly lying even though it was obvious he was from the very beginning. Not sure what PR he can spout this time so Sony is obviously waiting and hoping it blows over.
This is showing once again why competition is good and necessary. When the market leader is in front by a significant margin, they can afford to just sit back and do the bare minimum. I hope all of these devs ban together next gen and release their games on XBox, Switch, and PC first. Then release on PS5 six months later. If Sony isn't going to treat these devs with any courtesy, why should they?
Exactly.
I exclusively game on PC and if crossplay wasn't a thing for Gears 4, I would be shit out of luck when it comes to matchmaking.
Having the ability to matchmake with XB1 gamers is amazing and I wish more games did it (of course with the option to opt out of playing against KB/M users).
I mean, Chucklefish just did it and they are one of the more bigger indie studios (Stardew Valley, Wargroove, Starbound). Wargroove is doing phenomenally still. Imagine doing that at the beginning of the next gen reset?