Alright buddy, I have a better idea, i am just going to ignore you from now on. cya
So much for the contrite "I was wrong, thanks for teaching me" act, I guess.
Alright buddy, I have a better idea, i am just going to ignore you from now on. cya
All the while their player base is getting the objectively worst version of these multiplayer games. Kinda sad really.Counting their money, while preparing to release they sold 100 million units. That seems to be their way of deflection.
What this thread has taught me is that the amount of people who give a crap about cross play isn't enough for Playstation to give a crap about universal cross play.
We have to stop acting like Microsoft wouldn't be pulling the same BS if they were in the driver's seat.
Trust, I'm on your side. I want crossplay. Sony is fucking dumb for what they are doing. But they are just playing the game that any other industry leader would play. Am I annoyed by it? Yes. Is it surprising at all? No.
That doesn't mean they don't want it.Bungie doesn't want cross play. They have a hard enough time getting matchmaking right without it. Imagine them trying to do it when a large chunk of the user base has maps, weapons and armor that are exclusive to one console only.
If every system can play together, the PS4 loses one more tick mark for why people should buy it. The "all my friends play on PS4, so I have to have one to play with them," box. It also inadvertently adds a tick mark for the Xbox One X being the strongest console.
True, but now instead of just wanting to get MP games on Switch or the One X to play with friends on PlayStation while being a PS4 owner, I'm less likely to buy PlayStation products in the future by reason of Sony acting like the Microsoft that chased people into the arms of Sony back in 2013.
Also, the hidden side benefit of bullying Sony into crossplay is that by haranguing them into giving up their acquired competitive advantage (their larger playerbase), they'll have to start next gen competing on raw power. We would quite literally be forcing Sony to arrive to market with a better product than they might have produced otherwise.
Side note: I'm not actually sure how far the "Sony doesn't want to give up their playerbase" argument really goes, as the majority of Sony's extra users are in places where the Xbox wouldn't sell well anyway, and the install base difference in NA is minor. People from Europe aren't being thrown into matchmaking with people from Texas in any game that actually matters.
Side note: I'm not actually sure how far the "Sony doesn't want to give up their playerbase" argument really goes, as the majority of Sony's extra users are in places where the Xbox wouldn't sell well anyway, and the install base difference in NA is minor. People from Europe aren't being thrown into matchmaking with people from Texas in any game that actually matters.
Like they can't win over those same people with one of their exclusives down the line.While this is true, this also feeds into the argument of helping the competition in those region don't you think?
If people from Europe start thinking oh 'i'm just going to buy on my switch or Xbox cause crossplay' that's a lost consumer for 'PSN' In a territory they are largely in?.
A company that wants it doesn't do the things they've done.That doesn't mean they don't want it.
That just means they have to get destiny 3 out the door. They have expressed interest in it but they have never publically said they don't.
We have to stop acting that you wouldn't give them shit for it if they did.We have to stop acting like Microsoft wouldn't be pulling the same BS if they were in the driver's seat.
In a recent interview, Destiny 2: Forsaken leads Steve Cotton and Scott Taylor were asked if the game would ever become cross-compatible between any platforms. Somewhat surprisingly, the duo expressed an interesting in making that happen and is a topic that the studio frequently discusses. Unfortunately, there's nothing in the works at the moment
Amen, it got pretty damn disgusting in here for a little bit. The ones who took it too far got the boot though. Having those moments with dev feed back really makes the place unique and makes for some high energy threads.Outside of the topic of crossplay, I really hope some people here learned to be more respectful to those in the industry who are willing to share some info from their perspective. There have been a number of insiders and professionals who have stopped sharing or posting entirely here because of inappropriate comments or harassment from warriors here.
I'm not saying we should be kissing anyone's ass but we need to be more respectful and mindful of their contributions because in some ways they put themselves out there and risk their positions at times. They don't owe us anything and I hope that's kept in mind.
Like they can't win over those same people with one of their exclusives down the line.
Talking about it and then acting in a way that's completely contrary to it tells me what?https://gamerant.com/bungie-destiny-2-cross-play-850/
It's a topic in the studio, I'm sure it is, once the shackles of the Sony/Activision deal is finally done. (One of the ugliest exclusive deals in the industry putting the COD deals to shame) I expect a change. Where the ball will once again be in Sony's court.
While this is true, this also feeds into the argument of helping the competition in those region don't you think?
Examples?Talking about it and then acting in a way that's completely contrary to it tells me what?
Continuing to have exclusive maps/armor/weapons for year(s) on only one platform. You dont give a shit about cross-platform if you're putting weapons in one person's hands but not in another's. It doesn't work. But Bungie is big on talking and not delivering. The shit-ass season-pass content being the latest example.
Yeah they are tied into a deal made between Sony and Acitvision. Not a deal between Bungie and Sony. There is no exclusive anything for Sony with the annual pass, the last of it was Forsaken.Continuing to have exclusive maps/armor/weapons for year(s) on only one platform. You dont give a shit about cross-platform if you're putting weapons in one person's hands but not in another's. It doesn't work. But Bungie is big on talking and not delivering. The shit-ass season-pass content being the latest example.
That's good to hear, but PC and Xbox (presumably) will be waiting to have the Wavespliter for like...6 more months or some shit. It's ridiculous.Yeah they are tied into a deal made between Sony and Acitvision. Not a deal between Bungie and Sony. There is no exclusive anything for Sony with the annual pass, the last of it was Forsaken.
Just wait until year 3, cross play or progression will probably become a thing.
Sidebar:
some of you need to back off Equanimity he's not a trash console warrior poster.
Information is such cases will always be incomplete because one party (Sony) has a vested interest in keeping it that way. In my opinion, the available information (developers from Epic, Psyonix, Hi Rez and possibly others have stated in no uncertain terms that limiting crossplay is a Sony decision and crossplay is working already seamlessly across non-Playstation platforms, as well as seamlessly on PlayStation platforms aside from Xbox) is more than enough to form a clear opinion on the matter even before the Chucklefish post.
You were willing to give Sony the benefit of the doubt, despite all available information pointing towards them as the party responsible for limiting crossplay, possibly because you are happy with the services they provide and you enjoy their products. It's understandable, we all do this from time to time, but I feel it's important for all of us to be able to recognize cases where we let our own biases cloud our judgement and try to improve as posters.
Not sure why you needed the dev update when there was plenty of evidence to suggest Sony was being dodgy well before this thread existed.
I have nothing new to say regarding the matter that I didn't say yesterday already, but I will throw my hat in the ring for Equanimity. Dude is a good poster who tries to have discussions in good faith and doesn't resort to console warring nonsense. Quit the dogpile on him.
Um, people who are interested in the more niche Japanese games and fighting games buy Sony consoles because they have to. Microsoft practically doesn't exist in their console market after all.
Undisputedly, crossplay benefits the end-user. Anyone that is against it is a console fanboy.
Ah, the beaufiful ifpology. I think what you want to say is "I was missing information, sorry for being wrong".
Good.
Worth mentioning that GI also did a follow-up:
I'm pretty sure the game has to be built with it in mind, they need a way to mix the users together. So not all games.As a Playstation/Switch only owner, can you play every multiplayer game on Xbox with other userbases outside of Playstation?
No, but there aren't games on other platforms where developers actually put in the work to support crossplay but aren't allowed to enable it.As a Playstation/Switch only owner, can you play every multiplayer game on Xbox with other userbases outside of Playstation?
As I understand it, that's up to the developers. There's no policy preventing them from doing so, as there is with PS4. There's a lot more Xbox-PC cross-play titles because of Xbox live anywhere as well. It's not all, but it's many many more, especially compared to PS4.As a Playstation/Switch only owner, can you play every multiplayer game on Xbox with other userbases outside of Playstation?
Worth mentioning that GI also did a follow-up:
https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/0...at-playstation-cross-play-is-open-to-everyone
So at least they're being relatively unbiased about it.
No. All major platforms provide some sort of platform-specific matchmaking and connection APIs now. If your game is peer-to-peer then using these is very advantageous cost-wise because you don't need to put your own server on the internet. For now, for crossplay you need your very own server. Both Valve and Microsoft seem to be interested in opening their platform APIs outside the platforms themselves, however, so this is subject to change.As a Playstation/Switch only owner, can you play every multiplayer game on Xbox with other userbases outside of Playstation?
As a Playstation/Switch only owner, can you play every multiplayer game on Xbox with other userbases outside of Playstation?
Plus I (and the 12 others) playing on PC would like to join in please!Now see that's something that would greatly benefit from crossplay. Perfect example.
Nice, it's been getting the coverage it deserves.Worth mentioning that GI also did a follow-up:
https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/0...at-playstation-cross-play-is-open-to-everyone
So at least they're being relatively unbiased about it.
out of curiousity, Shawn Layden has not commented anything else to the comments from these two devs?
That's some pie in the sky wishful thinking right there.This is showing once again why competition is good and necessary. When the market leader is in front by a significant margin, they can afford to just sit back and do the bare minimum. I hope all of these devs ban together next gen and release their games on XBox, Switch, and PC first. Then release on PS5 six months later. If Sony isn't going to treat these devs with any courtesy, why should they?
Exactly.Undisputedly, crossplay benefits the end-user. Anyone that is against it is a console fanboy.