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Shawn Layden blames publishers and developers for lack of PlayStation crossplay (Up: Wargroove dev Chucklefish responds in thread - "We were told no")
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And yet... https://blog.us.playstation.com/201...oss-play-beta-launches-on-ps4-starting-today/
Literally the FIRST line. So is he now saying that it's out of beta and every game can have it or are they still being selective about it?
Literally the FIRST line. So is he now saying that it's out of beta and every game can have it or are they still being selective about it?
Um, it was Sony.
Fortnite had accidental crossplay in like 2017 - there was never any problem there.
Fortnite had accidental crossplay in like 2017 - there was never any problem there.
Why do they have to go thru all that to do cross play though? Have to hope the account manager answers or not ignore there calls/emails etc. This reminds me of how MS originally handled indie publishing on xbox one.
He's saying if anyone wants to have cross-play they need to get in touch with the PlayStation account managers. So hmm. We'll see what the devs say in response to this lol.
"Dev who properly goes through the channels I've listed" is different than "all devs," so Layden is still correct. It's not like there aren't layers of bureaucracy , quality control, etc to get a game released in the first place. How is it really different than that
Seems like they're gonna be selective about it since you still have to go to your account manager whatever that is. They should just copy whatever MS and Nintendo are doing and if they are already, they should notify the devs.
they switched from a gate to multiple turnstiles. so no more gating! but sorry your lane isn't open..
just like small or indie games lacking platinum when the likes of greg miller had been asking for it, so might be same thing
This is a false narrative. Disc Jam had no XBO version, no cross play to Switch.
EA said they would like to bring crossplay to their games. I doubt Sony would not pick up the phone whenever EA is calling but there's something a bit odd about EA wanting to see crossplay in games like FIFA, too. I mean, bring it on.
It's interesting how 2 separate developers are saying something completely different to this...
At least he gets paid to say this nonsense I guess.
Edit: He also seems to make out that cross-play is extremely difficult to implement for Sony by stating the "partnership with Epic" yet Nintendo, who are known for not being great when it comes to networks and online, are able to provide it effortlessly.
At least he gets paid to say this nonsense I guess.
Edit: He also seems to make out that cross-play is extremely difficult to implement for Sony by stating the "partnership with Epic" yet Nintendo, who are known for not being great when it comes to networks and online, are able to provide it effortlessly.
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Just had to find a way to get MS in there huh. Good job.
That's a pretty big lie, both based on what the devs said, and on what Sony itself said.
Except in the paragraphs before it you get the same old deflective crap:
This is why Layden shouldn't do PR.
It's like he's not realizing or purposefully ignoring why people want cross-play, lol.
To be fair, unless these devs come out and say otherwise, no one knows yet when they last contacted their PlayStation account manager (which I do hope they comment on because if it was recent then that is absolutely noteworthy!).
From there, what I know of the process is that there is still questions that need to be answered before the green light is officially given. From what I know of the game development process, I think it's entirely fair to need certain assurances before just enabling something on your platform, no matter how easy it looks.
Either way, I hope the devs comment on it and they can get their issues resolved so that the games can be enabled.
Either he doesn't know that people under him are not allowing developers other than select few to have cross play or he is just plain lying. I really don't see why this is as big an issue as it needs to be. This could really benefit those smaller games that have low populations to have access to many more people to matchmake against.
This really rubs me the wrong way. Of course the amount of people using cross play would be small when you have only enabled two games to have cross play enabled. And sure the playstation community is the largest of the console market but hey i still have trouble finding matches on some games on my PS4 that would benefit from corss play Shawn.
This really rubs me the wrong way. Of course the amount of people using cross play would be small when you have only enabled two games to have cross play enabled. And sure the playstation community is the largest of the console market but hey i still have trouble finding matches on some games on my PS4 that would benefit from corss play Shawn.
With regards to HI-Rez I would assume it was recently as they are only just implementing cross-play/progression patches into their games now.
The only assurances are if it will affect them $$$-wise, oh and I guess we should also think about the children.
I would also think that the technological assurances will already be met because it works fine on the other consoles? It doesn't takes months and months to check these things.
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Yep. I smell shenanigans. Nintendo, MS, PC, Apple, Android can get games crossplay on day 1 with no fuss. It's Sony making it more difficult.
Nintendo's online is mediocre but in this one issue it runs rings around Sony.
Nintendo's online is mediocre but in this one issue it runs rings around Sony.
That isn't always what technological assurances mean. I dont know this specific case (cross play on a live title) but I do know of games in the QA stage (i.e. Alpha and Beta) that had cross play enabled for testing purposes (easier to do a populated a game lobby test by queueing on all the platforms together). For those games, yes, cross play was the matter of just flipping a switch, however that cross play (on non-final) game code did occasionally cause issues (and sometimes huge ones).
And that was before these games went through certification, where they need to meet each console manufacturers checklist before they could release on the platform. From what I knew of the process in the past, there was some conflicts between some cross play initiatives and certification checks (not just on Sony's side) that led to games that were supposed to have cross play that had to be canned/removed.
In short, I definitely would want more information in this case. I'm less sympathetic if the devs are whining on twitter because they don't want to go through the safety checks necessary to enable cross play (I am NOT saying this was the case). However if they DO want to go through all the hoops (and they should) then Sony absolutely owes a better explanation than the one they have given here.
In short, I wish we had better, clearer information. As I said earlier, I hope the devs struggling with getting cross play fully approved elaborate on it more soon.
Multiple devs call out Sony as the culprit. Sony refutes it. I'll believe the devs due to Sony's track record.
This is exactly what I thought. This is just like when MS required extra content for indies releasing later on Xbox earlier in the gen. Basically, it's pr spin.
Sucks to see so many falling for it itt.
None of that explains why Microsoft and Nintendo are able to do it though. Are you really trying to say that both of their "checklists" are that much shorter that they are able to allow cross-play on many games whereas Sony have allowed 2 in many months. It seems like you are just trying to give Sony a pass here.
It's also interesting that Sony are fine and more than able to cross-play with PC, Android and iOS but not their direct competitors.
This has always been a business decision and the only reason Fortnite got cross-play was because the complaints got through to mainstream media and news outlets.