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Shawn Layden blames publishers and developers for lack of PlayStation crossplay (Up: Wargroove dev Chucklefish responds in thread - "We were told no")
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For real. What a bunch of bullshit from Layden. Pretty shameful shit.
"Work with your PlayStation manager."
How about just allow crossplay on your platform, asshole.
So houre saying Hi-Rez is lying?
How would that benefit them in any way?
You are saying a High up executive is lying? I mean someone clearly is lol.
This comes across to me as less likely that Shawn actually keeps his ear to the ground on what's being discussed about Playstation, and more that he got a second hand briefing about what he might be questioned about shortly beforehand and is running with a non-answer.
yeah m8, games with crossplay between LITERALLY every other platform except PS4s and for some reason the problem isn't with Sony.
Alright then.
Alright then.
I'll say that, yeah. At the very least he's not painting the whole picture.
The whole "beta" and "select third parties" thing was a very deliberate way of wording things. Sony continues to be weird about crossplay. I was expecting a slow rollout but I'm not sure what their intention is to still be slowing down devs who are ready to deploy crossplay.
Nah, not shorter. Different criteria. I've been involved in cert passes for multiple games on multiple platforms and each company has very specific checks that devs have to pass. I think on this front Sony is being more difficult and I am wondering why and where it is coming from that it isn't a problem on the platforms you mentioned (PC, Android, iOS).
It's why I said I want the devs to elaborate more, because if they've contacted their account managers recently then this is Sony walking into a prone rake to the face PR wise, which makes little sense to me.
If that's the case though, oof.
Market leaders can walk into an entire lawn tool aisle and be fine as far as I've heard.
It is clear. If a request was denied then you've got a point. Pending stuff doesn't count.
I legitimately don't believe his assertions that they're "open for business" by any common understanding of the phrase. The substance of this situation is clear enough to be seen. At best, I think he's being cute about whether cross-play means connecting with just PC, or with other consoles. The latter being the obvious meaning from the whole situation. "As ever" feels like an obvious tell for how he's playing with words.
I can't understand the amount of effort seemingly being put into what's basically a self-inflicted loss of goodwill. Basically accusing some of their publishers of being liars is a weird way to posture this, especially in a time of transition.
I can't understand the amount of effort seemingly being put into what's basically a self-inflicted loss of goodwill. Basically accusing some of their publishers of being liars is a weird way to posture this, especially in a time of transition.
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It seems Sony is spacially keen on enabling crossplay with steam, while with consoles it's "I believe this" and " I think that" yadayadayada. Hmmmmm
If it smells like bullshit and looks like bullshit ...
If it smells like bullshit and looks like bullshit ...
did you respond to the wrong post or something? lol, who are you talking to
I just want to see the games that support full fat crossplay, sounds like we're getting closer
Sony got all the power here.
Developers can NOT elaborate more, as I'm sure they're under NDAs and whatever more. It's freaking ridiculous to be passing the ball to the developers' court.
No. What are you on, who do you think I'm talking to?
Yup.
I have no idea tbh, your responses are out of sync with the posts your quoting from me. it's like you're having a discussion with someone else and quoted me by mistake, I don't know lol
Someone needs to explain to him it's not about filling up lobbies with more players... It's about being able to play with your god damned IRL friends from different platforms.
But then, he already knows this. He knows that wanting to play with your friends is one of the motivating factors behind choosing a platform. He wants to leverage the largest console player base against the competition for an extra 0.001% of revenue.
But then, he already knows this. He knows that wanting to play with your friends is one of the motivating factors behind choosing a platform. He wants to leverage the largest console player base against the competition for an extra 0.001% of revenue.
Of course he is. Layden has reasons to lie. To save face, to generate goodwill, to protect the brand.
Hi-Rez has no reason to lie when they say they're just waiting for Sony to let them turn on cross-play.
Note the "work with your PlayStation manager." Sony is still playing favorites and dictating terms to devs who want in on the crossplay "beta."
https://www.resetera.com/threads/hi...cross-play-smite-paladins-realm-royale.98474/
I don't know how you've come to this confusion.
"Show me the receipts"
He did.
"Reciepts = games"
He did. Some are enabled, some are pending.
...what?
Not approved is not approved. Layden is straight up lying by saying "All it takes is for publishers and developers who wish to permission it."
Exhibit A: pubs and devs who want it (Hi-Rez) are not able to have it.
well if you really want to get pedantic you said I made a point in my first post which I did not, I just expressed a want to see the games that support full fat crossplay. that was all. hopefully the flood gates have finally been lifted and we'll see the results soon.
Pending or denied, either or are still in the same boat of denial for crossplay/cross-progression. There is no middle ground because of this supposed gateway into what shouldn't be that exclusive. Honestly it should just go through the normal QA checks albeit with added scrutiny on ensuring no cross-platform data/access is shared when doing so.
This is not the case here is it.
Are you sure he's lying? Is there a different procedure of crossplay request?
I'm asking you if they were denied access to console cross play or is their request pending?
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I refuse to post the gif because it works so much better with sound.
Or he knows and did not want to say and is just dodging the question.
Hey Shawn
"All it takes is for publishers and developers who wish to permission it."
And
"I think they're open to make proposals"
Are two insanely different things. Like did he mid way through saying this realize he doesn't even know himself? Because if so, maybe don't make claims like that.
"All it takes is for publishers and developers who wish to permission it."
And
"I think they're open to make proposals"
Are two insanely different things. Like did he mid way through saying this realize he doesn't even know himself? Because if so, maybe don't make claims like that.
A request could be pending for eternity. If they were allowed access to cross-play why would they risk their relationship with Sony by going public on Twitter about the issue?
You're going off the rails here. I said no such thing.
"Open for business
Show me the reciepts"
He did. < and this is where your confusion starts.
That's quite an expression stuffed into Show me the reciepts.
So basically putting his fingers in his ears, screaming lalala and calling every dev who're complaining about their experience with Sony liars.
So the devs, who specifically pointed out Sony being the ones stopping them from literally flipping a switch to something that was already done, were just bamboozling us.
Sure. This clearly isn't as easy as he thinks it is, otherwise those tweets directed at them from devs would just instead be crossplay announcements instead.
Sure. This clearly isn't as easy as he thinks it is, otherwise those tweets directed at them from devs would just instead be crossplay announcements instead.
This is just him saying the same thing but worded in a different way. He's not refuting anything, he's saying speak to your Playstation rep and ask for permission and we'll get back to you.
what else could that possibly mean in this context? lol
we're in a thread about shawn layden saying that, no, there are no gates to full fat crossplay. just talk to your playstation rep.
I want to see the receipts aka the games that reflect that
that's literally all it could mean
I've gotta stop this back and forth though. tbh I don't know what place you're approaching these discussions from and this is too circular. cheers
This is Sony we are talking about, nothing is ever so simple for them.
That said, since when did pending equate to denial of service?
We are only 6 months in console cross-play on PlayStation, things are going to change, don't worry.
As for going public, I don't think these devs care.