Except in the paragraphs before it you get the same old deflective crap:
This is why Layden shouldn't do PR.
I'm asking you if they were denied access to console cross play or is their request pending?
They asked year(s?) ago with the Xbone launch. And then several months ago with the launch PSN crossplay "beta."This is not the case here is it.
Are you sure he's lying? Is there a different procedure of crossplay request?
I'm asking you if they were denied access to console cross play or is their request pending?
They asked year(s?) ago with the Xbone launch. And then several months ago with PSN crossplay "beta.
They still don't have it. Is it "pending?" How the fuck so we know?
All we do know is that Hi-Rez have several games that are ready to support crossplay immediately, but Sony won't let them. The end.
what else could that possibly mean in this context? lol
we're in a thread about shawn layden saying that, no, there are no gates to full fat crossplay. just talk to your playstation rep.
I want to see the receipts aka the games that reflect that
that's literally all it could mean
I've gotta stop this back and forth though. tbh I don't know what place you're approaching these discussions from and this is too circular. cheers
It is more that pending is at this moment so close in partnership to denial because it shouldn't be this hard to begin with, especially when we've got "pending" titles that have devs publicly shaming Sony for no word of feedback. I definitely agree with you that it will ramp up as we go further down the path, as Nintendo, PC, Microsoft and mobile all openly accept it, and that pressure is huge for just one company even with the success they have standing against it.This is Sony we are talking about, nothing is ever so simple for them.
That said, since when did pending equate to denial of service?
We are only 6 months in console cross-play on PlayStation, things are going to change, don't worry.
As for going public, I don't think these devs care.
Someone needs to explain to him it's not about filling up lobbies with more players... It's about being able to play with your god damned IRL friends from different platforms.
But then, he already knows this. He knows that wanting to play with your friends is one of the motivating factors behind choosing a platform. He wants to leverage the largest console player base against the competition for an extra 0.001% of revenue.
Refusing to approve might as well be a denial.Alright, no problem. If/when they ever deny a reasonable request for console cross-play, I won't hold back my disdain.
When we did turn it on, light it up, we wanted to make sure we had thought out all the different ramifications of cross-play, cross-purchase, cross-progress, Those are all three very discreet aspects of what cross-play is, and there are decisions you make in provisioning those different pieces of it that if you make it quick and hasty, and the wrong decision, you can put yourself in a corner really fast, and that prevents scalability over time and the ability to bring people in in a secure and safe way.
Refusing to approve might as well be a denial.
This crossplay "beta" bullshit started what, 6 months ago? So Hi-Rez has been waiting for 6 months with no approval? They were ready to flip the switch 6 months ago. What's the hold up?
Even calling crossplay a "beta" in the first place is disingenuous. Sony is not testing any tech here. The devs have handled everything themselves. Sony is calling it a beta so they can continue to hamstring devs who want to add crossplay to their games. It's bullshit spin designed to mask the fact that they're still being shitty.
As ever, just work with your PlayStation account manager, and they will walk you through the steps that we've learned through our partnership with Epic on how this works.
3 months then. Forgive me.
Explain why crossplay with PC is so easily done(and approved) whereas crossplay with Switch and X1 is so "hard".Era: "Sony is shit! They are holding back crossplay! Hold em to the fire!"
Shawn Layden: "We're open for business. Just get with your PS manager and get it set up!"
Era: "You're lying! You just want specific 3rd parties! Hold em to the fire again!"
Somewhere the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Sony probably is open to it now, but there's a lot more to opening up a game for crossplaybfrom 3rd party developers than just flipping a switch and letting everyone play with each other.
Explain why crossplay with PC is so easily done(and approved) whereas crossplay with Switch and X1 is so "hard".
It's pretty much literally flipping a switch. The PS4 being the ONLY console that still has such problems to get games to crossplay with other platforms means that the problem is with Sony, not the developers.
Also the games that had console crossplay enabled "by mistake" on a few games, only to have that feature disabled after Sony realized it was happening. It's fucking insane people are STILL defending Sony on this matter.Psyonix also literally said it was flipping a switch and that all the work was done, it was just being stopped by sony years ago.
There is not a technical hurdle stopping this.
Psyonix also literally said it was flipping a switch and that all the work was done, it was just being stopped by sony years ago.
There is not a technical hurdle stopping this.
Hi-Rez did. 6 months ago. Still no crossplay.No, but there is still the regular corporate bureaucracy and buttons they need to be pushed to make that determination. In the end, we'll see if devs follow Layden's advice and get in touch with the PS managers to turn it on.
There's a very good chance that Sony's not denying literally anyone, but instead is just only approving games that are big enough that an outcry could occur. So if they're afraid about you making waves, you get an approval, but if you're not, your application for crossplay will remain pending until such a time that you become too big to ignore.
Saying "well, those applications haven't been denied, they're just pending" is a bad defense.
They asked year(s?) ago with the Xbone launch. And then several months ago with the launch PSN crossplay "beta."
They still don't have crossplay in their games. Is it "pending?" How the fuck so we know?
All we do know is that Hi-Rez have several games that are ready to support crossplay immediately, but Sony won't let them. The end.
It is more that pending is at this moment so close in partnership to denial because it shouldn't be this hard to begin with, especially when we've got "pending" titles that have devs publicly shaming Sony for no word of feedback.
I definitely agree with you that it will ramp up as we go further down the path, as Nintendo, PC, Microsoft and mobile all openly accept it, and that pressure is huge for just one company even with the success they have standing against it.
Following a comprehensive evaluation process, SIE has identified a path toward supporting cross-platform features for select third party content.
That doesn't explain why they can do cross-play with PC so easily now
Could have something to do with allowing PC cross play since last gen.
What seems more likely?This is a peculiar assumption, kind of scummy if true. But I don't buy it.
What am I defending here? Asking questions for the sake of clarity is just that.
1) Devs who already have existing cross-play infrastructure that works on everything but PS have been complaining about being unable to do cross-play but just haven't bothered to talk to the people they need to talk to in order to get it done.
What is that position, exactly? Allow crossplay in Fortnite (after nearly a year of massive backlash) and no other games? Because that's what they've done. I don't give a shit what some talking suit says.We know because they've clarified their position. They've asked Sony multiple times but haven't received a clear answer yet = case pending
It is true. They were ready last year when the game launched on Xbox. They were literally ready to flip the switch.This isn't true. They're ready when Sony is, let Sony decide first.
Maybe the account managers have just been on vacation this whole time.
We have no clue what talks have been had between Sony and Hi Rez or where they are in that conversation. It's obvious they are open to it now, so now it's the waiting game.
How much are you getting paid, my dude?This is a peculiar assumption, kind of scummy if true. But I don't buy it.
What am I defending here? Asking questions for the sake of clarity is just that.
We know because they've clarified their position. They've asked Sony multiple times but haven't received a clear answer yet = case pending .
This isn't true. They're ready when Sony is, let Sony decide first.
I understand where you're coming from. I just need some clarity on this, devs do too.
Beta should hopefully end soon. Just open it for everyone.
What seems more likely?
1) Devs who already have existing cross-play infrastructure that works on everything but PS have been complaining about being unable to do cross-play but just haven't bothered to talk to the people they need to talk to in order to get it done.
2) The devs have done that, but for some reason Sony requires over 6 months of internal bureaucracy before they can give a thumbs up or thumbs down.
3) Sony's afraid of issuing explicit denials and so has simply been sitting on requests rather than denying them.
I might suggest that you're being a little obvious by clearly invoking "just asking questions" like that.
They're probably thinking of Final Fantasy XI, which did cross play between PS2, PC and Xbox 360.
Could have something to do with allowing PC cross play since last gen.