Shawn Layden: "I would welcome a return to the 12 to 15 hour AAA game"
Former PlayStation executive Shawn Layden has called for the industry to examine the trend towards bigger and more expe…
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Shawn Layden: "I would welcome a return to the 12 to 15 hour AAA game"
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Yeah, I think Wolfenstein 2 and the rest failing massively kind of killed this genre outside of Capcom.
12-15 for linear games, 30 for open world. Some exceptions. This should be the standard.
140 hours for a single Assassin's Creed game is fucking outrageous.
140 hours for a single Assassin's Creed game is fucking outrageous.
Did we ever find out what happened to him ? Looked like he had to flee from Sony and pack his things in 24h so abrupt was his departure.
At topic,
There are plenty of indie and mid sized games out there. Hell we had a bunch during the Series X and PS5 presentations.
Always weird when people act as if AAA are the only type of games being released nowadays.
At topic,
There are plenty of indie and mid sized games out there. Hell we had a bunch during the Series X and PS5 presentations.
Always weird when people act as if AAA are the only type of games being released nowadays.
12 hours for me feels like such a sweet spot for many titles (action/adventure narrative stuff). Same with movies - 90 minutes just feels perfect to me for the majority of films.
Word. The game drags too long and it makes you feel like it's even longer because of how gloomy it is.
Shawn Layden: "I would welcome a return to the 12 to 15 hour AAA game"
Former PlayStation executive Shawn Layden has called for the industry to examine the trend towards bigger and more expe…
Sure but don't sell them for $60/€60 if there is only 12 hours of content.
The dream for me is if we get a bunch of 6-8 hour games with AAA production values included with gamepass.
I think a more tightly desigend shorter experiences is much much better but I also understand the value proposition isn't there for day one buyers.
I think a more tightly desigend shorter experiences is much much better but I also understand the value proposition isn't there for day one buyers.
The whole dollar per hour mindset is severely damaging gaming.
I'll gladly play a high quality 12 hour game with no filler and great pacing over a 70 hour open world slog filled with repetitive checklists and pointless grind.
Can we please let Ubisoft style open world games fucking die this gen.
I'll gladly play a high quality 12 hour game with no filler and great pacing over a 70 hour open world slog filled with repetitive checklists and pointless grind.
Can we please let Ubisoft style open world games fucking die this gen.
Definitely. RE7 / RE2 Remake were sweet spots for me. Loved RE3 but I wanted a bit more by the end.
Maybe if people didn't expect 70 hour epics with the best graphics ever and replayablity and and and, prices wouldn't keep going up.
These two things should have no correlation.
Can't say I disagree. Most single player campaigns not relying on RPG progression or open world have a hard time staying exciting beyond 10-12 hours.
maybe don't spend 15 hours a day playing video games
He has grown in wisdom
Holy shit he went full David letterman.
The prices go up when production costs do. And games at least in the US have had a stable price since 2008. Something has to give...
I would love that so much. Also smaller, denser open world games. Spider-Man PS4 is my platonic ideal for open-world game sizes now, I just wish it was a bit denser and varied with optional activities.
My response is not a reflection of my TLOUII run, which I'm about 15 hours through and I'm not ready for it to end. I also wasn't ready for RDR2 to end. Those games are major exceptions.
My response is not a reflection of my TLOUII run, which I'm about 15 hours through and I'm not ready for it to end. I also wasn't ready for RDR2 to end. Those games are major exceptions.
This is exactly the opportunity for Gamepass.
Once you don't have justify a $60 purchase decision, you have a lot more freedom in the kinds of games you can develop. (Best example: Aliens Isolation would have been a GOAT game at like 8-10 hours.)
Once you don't have justify a $60 purchase decision, you have a lot more freedom in the kinds of games you can develop. (Best example: Aliens Isolation would have been a GOAT game at like 8-10 hours.)
Yeah people who think a game needs to be a certain length to justify $60 - YIKES. It's not just about content length people.
I agree with Shawn but it ain't going to happen. You generally have to be a popular, well-established franchise to make a convincing sell at full price if you're a 10-15 hour game with no multiplayer.
The market clearly cares a lot about perceived bang for buck and big open world games meet that criteria.
The market clearly cares a lot about perceived bang for buck and big open world games meet that criteria.
God yes. On the whole, when I see a game's length is 25 hours or more, my interest wanes drastically.
Most of us don't play a game for 12 hours non-stop in a day. Would take me a couple of weeks with life commitments and a bit of Rocket League in between. And there are so many good games these days, I'm happy to move on to something new.
do you mean the price at retail or the insane costs of production mentioned in the OP
Absolutely. I kept thinking "Okay, this has to be wrapping up soon," and then I realized another 5 hours later that I'm not even close.
Please. AA games, even. I sorely miss the more experimental, mid-budget games that were more common in the past.
But prices for games have not gone up for like two decades? PS2 -> X360/PS3 was the last price spike ($50->$60). Budgets on the other hand have ballooned since those times because people want more and more content but with better graphics every new gen.
Agreed. Most games have padding or filler that serve no purpose other than making it longer. A more focused game would be better even if it's shorter.
Prices have definitely gone up in Europe.
Prices have definitely gone up in Europe.