Eh, I'll watch it when it's streamable. I won't ever trust another DCEU film or reviews on them, because people keep trying to sell that "Its fun" bullshit. Aquaman was an absolute mess of a movie that is at best only fun to riff on and laugh at, yet people keep trying to sell it as "one of the best DCEU movies" because of how "fun and outrageous" it is. It was just trash that we were more willing to accept because of how low the bar was because of films like BvS, JL, and Suicide Squad.
Kinda eh? 5.5/10
Bad acting by almost all the kids. Not really funny and nor was the conflict exciting to watch . Very low end of the rung. Surprised at all the extremely positive coverage and reviews.
For some reason critics are much harsher towards DC movies outside of the US, some are even blatantly biased towards marvel films in their reviews. But whatever, something we have to live with as DC fans I guess.Shazam is bombing pretty bad in France :(
And the reviews are also much harsher than in the US.
I mean Shazam is certified fresh which apparently means it's not horrid.Eh, I'll watch it when it's streamable. I won't ever trust another DCEU film or reviews on them, because people keep trying to sell that "Its fun" bullshit. Aquaman was an absolute mess of a movie that is at best only fun to riff on and laugh at, yet people keep trying to sell it as "one of the best DCEU movies" because of how "fun and outrageous" it is. It was just trash that we were more willing to accept because of how low the bar was because of films like BvS, JL, and Suicide Squad.
Well, it depends. I often point out how Man of Steel got the exact same review average as most MCU films in France. And the Nolan films reviewed far better than anything from Marvel. So I don't know that there's a bias. People just perceive films differently based on their cultural background. I'm not really sure yet why Shazam isn't landing with people here. Btw, the user reviews are also quite low for this genre. I'm using allociné for reference. Obviously, I don't put too much stock in user reviews but it's an interesting thing to note in this particular case.For some reason critics are much harsher towards DC movies outside of the US, some are even blatantly biased towards marvel films in their reviews. But whatever, something we have to live with as DC fans I guess.
Yeah, that's definitely a factor.
The thread title isn't fan in-fighting. No one is talking about Carol's movie in here until folks like you pop in without reading the topic and start complaining about it.A shame that a movie that, by all accounts, is pretty fucking great is being saddled with this fan infighting bullshit like the thread title.
Shazam is the original Captain Marvel though...A shame that a movie that, by all accounts, is pretty fucking great is being saddled with this fan infighting bullshit like the thread title.
This!
I don't think this is true. What you may want to take into account is that a lot of DC characters like Wonder Woman, Flash, etc... Are nowhere near as popular here. We know who they are but they're not well known, if you get my meaning. So there's less of a 'its so cool to see Flash!' or something that you may have in the US. There's no nostalgia factoring in.For some reason critics are much harsher towards DC movies outside of the US, some are even blatantly biased towards marvel films in their reviews. But whatever, something we have to live with as DC fans I guess.
I get what you are saying but to completely rule out a bias is just not realistic. Marvel made a name for itself by using B and C list superheroes that only comic book fans recognized and they are still doing that to this day with characters like Ant Man and even Captain Marvel. So there is no sense of nostalgia backing those characters either. It's just the sheer pop cultural power of marvel studios that is keeping it going, it's kinda hard to knock against that.I don't think this is true. What you may want to take into account is that a lot of DC characters like Wonder Woman, Flash, etc... Are nowhere near as popular here. We know who they are but they're not well known, if you get my meaning. So there's less of a 'its so cool to see Flash!' or something that you may have in the US. There's no nostalgia factoring in.
Plus Nolan's films and Wonder Woman were received really well, it's just that most of DCs outings haven't been as good as those.
So yeah, I don't think there's some bias that you 'need to live with' because this whole Marvel or DC thing is a really American thing.
Looking forward to seeing this though.
So you popped into a review thread of a movie you have zero intentions of seeing just to say that you don't trust the overwhelmingly positive reviews? Cool.Eh, I'll watch it when it's streamable. I won't ever trust another DCEU film or reviews on them, because people keep trying to sell that "Its fun" bullshit. Aquaman was an absolute mess of a movie that is at best only fun to riff on and laugh at, yet people keep trying to sell it as "one of the best DCEU movies" because of how "fun and outrageous" it is. It was just trash that we were more willing to accept because of how low the bar was because of films like BvS, JL, and Suicide Squad.
No, I popped into a movie thread to see the reviews.So you popped into a review thread of a movie you have zero intentions of seeing just to say that you don't trust the overwhelmingly positive reviews? Cool.
No intention of watching in the theaters*. My humble apologies. What's the point in looking at reviews if you don't care how good they are and won't watch it? You came in to shit on a movie franchise. There's literally no discussion to be had with what you came and originally posted with. But ok, you can have your "gotcha!" moment from my incorrect sentence, even though it's clear what I was saying.No, I popped into a movie thread to see the reviews.
Also, how you get "I'll watch it when it's streamable" to mean "you have zero intentions of watching" is something I'm genuinely interested in exploring. Mind explaining that for me? I mean, it's literally the first sentence of my post. And the rest of the post explains why I plan to do that.
For one thing, the average quality of Marvel movies in the past 10 years, whether you like them or not, has been fantastic.I get what you are saying but to completely rule out a bias is just not realistic. Marvel made a name for itself by using B and C list superheroes that only comic book fans recognized and they are still doing that to this day with characters like Ant Man and even Captain Marvel. So there is no sense of nostalgia backing those characters either. It's just the sheer pop cultural power of marvel studios that is keeping it going, it's kinda hard to knock against that.
No intention of watching in the theaters*. My humble apologies. What's the point in looking at reviews if you don't care how good they are and won't watch it? You came in to shit on a movie franchise. There's literally no discussion to be had with what you came and originally posted with. But ok, you can have your "gotcha!" moment from my incorrect sentence, even though it's clear what I was saying.
If you read the reviews you will see in each and every one why it's good. It's not just it's so fun! I'm not a movie reviewer nor do I pretend to be, so I won't get into the specifics. There's much more to it than that. The movie has heart. It's got great characters and a sense of family. It's completely different from any other comic book movie. Yes it's fun but there's nothing wrong that either. Should it...not be fun?Your passive aggressive attempts to dismiss my opinion kinda hinders the point you are trying to make about "gotcha" posts on my part. I came to look at reviews to see if there was anything more to the reviews other than "its so fun" or "turn your mind off and it's enjoyable" or "Finally we have a movie that isn't as dark as BvS" as those are the kinds of praise that Aquaman got, and that movie ended up being dogshit. I'm not sure what issue you have with my post, as aside from the reason I gave for why I won't instinctively trust a DCEU film review(that is, if it gets a B or a 8/10 I'd have to actually read their reasons for it and give it less leeway than I might a review for any other movie) my focus was more about how I disliked the previous DCEU film(and thought the one prior to that was flawed but still pretty decent) and that the reviews/remarks sold the movies as "good" with praise that were little more than "at least it's not as bad".
If you actually have praise for the movie, then simply tell me the good aspects of the movie. I might still wait till the movie can be streamed or put on Redbox(again, I was willing to give the movie a chance despite you claiming I just want to "shit" on the franchise) but you'll actually have a real point to make and we can actually have a discussion about it. If you felt my post "didn't contribute" anything to the conversation you could have easily passed it over and moved on, considering I, yet again, planned to watch the movie anyway and wasn't shittalking the movie or dissuading others from watching it. Instead, the only person trying to have a snarky, dismissive "gotcha" post seems to be you.
Apology accepted, I guess.
Yes, and if you actually read my posts and asked questions rather than seeing any sort of negativity and going "must be a DCEU hater" defensive mode it'd lead to a much better discussion. The Joker topic is unrelated in the sense that I think the character has been over used and that I'm not going to necessarily fall into hype for the movie despite liking Joaquin Phoenix.If you read the reviews you will see in each and every one why it's good. It's not just it's so fun! I'm not a movie reviewer nor do I pretend to be, so I won't get into the specifics. There's much more to it than that. The movie has heart. It's got great characters and a sense of family. It's completely different from any other comic book movie. Yes it's fun but there's nothing wrong that either. Should it...not be fun?
You come in here and basically said u don't trust reviews. In a review thread. How is that posting in good faith? You clearly didn't read them if all you think they say is that it's fun. And it's not like you haven't been saying the same thing in the Joker thread. Saying that the public is so desensitized because of the previous shit movies that they accept anything mediocre. How is this not trolling?
Also you keep bringing up Aquaman. Sure reviews painted that as fun as well. But that still ended up with what, 60% RT? I forgot the number but the point is Shazam is at 93% ish with around 7.1 average score last time I checked. SURELY that should ring some bells that it might be better
The joker is not a different conversation because you laid a blanket statement in both threads. Multiple times if I remember correctly. I never referred to your opinion of the Joker movie itself, but your attitude towards the movies. "DC movies are so bad that mediocre movies are getting a pass".Yes, and if you actually read my posts and asked questions rather than seeing any sort of negativity and going "must be a DCEU hater" defensive mode it'd lead to a much better discussion. The Joker topic is unrelated in the sense that I think the character has been over used and that I'm not going to necessarily fall into hype for the movie despite liking Joaquin Phoenix.
You make decent points and should probably lead with "hey, these reviews say this or that" or "compare these metacritic scores" rather than getting snarky and trying to dismiss my response in the topic for no other reason than to "shut down" someone who doesn't share your opinion.
Really? Seems a bit of a stretch.What's sad is if Shazam doesn't do well the neck beards and DC / Marvel conspiracy loons will haves field day cooking something up about how Marvel sabotaged DC and the "real" Captain Marvel.