He did but you seem to be trolling or just can't grasp the issue.
He did but you seem to be trolling or just can't grasp the issue.
He did but you seem to be trolling or just can't grasp the issue.
Kinda feels like you don't want to understand anything unless I just say "Ys Net are infallible and should never ever be criticised".mate, you did not even answer my question.
can you try again?
you're saying I haven't understood anything you've said, so when I ask you to clarify...you answer with something I already know.
you think it's fair that even if you backed PS4 and you are entirely unaffected by the transition from Steam to EGS, that you should still be entitled to a refund, even though you are going to get what you backed?
you think it's fair that even if you backed PS4 and you are entirely unaffected by the transition from Steam to EGS, that you should still be entitled to a refund, even though you are going to get what you backed?
Kinda feels like you don't want to understand anything unless I just say "Ys Net are infallible and should never ever be criticised".
I think if Ys Net want to put out the PR fire that they created, they should attach as few strings as possible to refunds.
It makes no sense to restrict refunds to a given platform when platforms have not been locked it.
They don't have to offer anyone refunds, but they've made the correct decision that to best salvage what is left of their reputation they should offer them.
Seems like you'd want a refund so you can pre-order the game and get all of the content.
I think they very much cared about the backers, but their focus first and foremost was delivering the type of game those backers expect and deserve. Without Deep Silver, Shenmue III would've probably came out years ago as an unfinished/barebones mess. It's not as if YS Net had the luxury of being picky -- it's a game not even the IP holder wanted to take the risk on. For over a decade no one wanted to make Shenmue III. It had to be Kickstarted, and it was always going to need more than $5M (the usable % of the crowd-funding) to be what the fans want and deserve.Ys Net signed the contracts seemingly ceding complete control of their own game to Deep Silver, did this after the funding campaign, and either didn't consider how this might affect backers or didn't care. That's the most generous case for them too; we really have no idea whether Deep Silver have complete control.
I think they very much cared about the backers, but their focus first and foremost was delivering the type of game those backers expect and deserve. Without Deep Silver, Shenmue III would've probably came out years ago as an unfinished/barebones mess. It's not as if YS Net had the luxury of being picky -- it's a game not even the IP holder wanted to take the risk on. For over a decade no one wanted to make Shenmue III. It had to be Kickstarted, and it was always going to need more than $5M (the usable % of the crowd-funding) to be what the fans want and deserve.
It sucks Deep Silver do not take backers into account when making their Shenmue III plans, but I would still take the Shenmue III we're getting today over the Shenmue III we would've got without them. It's not even a contest, because the game is most important to me, not the money I put down.
And we do have an idea about whether YS Net have a say in these decisions, because Adam Koralik, prominent SEGA-related YouTuber and all-round nice guy, went to E3 and spoke to people very close to the project, including Yu Suzuki's daughter, and someone revealed that Yu Suzuki had nothing to do with the Epic decision. So if he has no say in what storefront the game appears on, why would he have a say in preorder bonuses? This is how developer/publisher relationships work: they provide millions in funding, they make the decisions about publishing. To Deep Silver, the Kickstarter is an afterthought -- a side case they didn't want to get involved in -- that's what is causing these issues.
You need to stop assuming people don't know how kickstarter works.
Hey maybe you should tell Ys Net this, because if that's true then they don't actually need to offer refunds.Based on the responses I've seen here, it's not an assumption that people don't know how kickstarter works. A lot of people here don't know how kickstarter works. It's not preordering anything. You're not buying anything. You're giving money to someone to work on a project. As an incentive to donate to the project, they give you rewards based on how much you give them.
If you donated $30, you got access to the game; if you donated $160, then they give you digital items when the project is completed. Not a single one of those tiers mention a season pass. That content is considered outside of what was promised to you as a result of donating to the project. You will not be getting the retail version of the game. You will be getting a physical copy that is exclusive to certain backers.
Backers will be getting their own bonuses similar to the retail version of the pre-order bonuses. Backers will be receiving both Steam copies and EGS copies of the game.
The only thing that people could argue is that a disc with the EGS launcher is not a copy of the game, but people are largely complaining about things that they were not promised when they gave money to fund the project.
They don't need to offer refunds. They're doing it out of good will for people who assumed certain things were going to be given alongside their reward.Hey maybe you should tell Ys Net this, because if that's true then they don't actually need to offer refunds.
Of maybe your post is reductive, and ignores other significant elements of what is happening here.
I think that's a slight misreading, they didn't initially want to offer refunds, it was only in the face of massive backlash that they were shamed into offering refunds.They don't need to offer refunds. They're doing it out of good will for people who assumed certain things were going to be given alongside their reward.
Did you even continue reading the rest of the post which you cut off? Did you even read the rest of the thread?Based on the responses I've seen here, it's not an assumption that people don't know how kickstarter works. A lot of people here don't know how kickstarter works. It's not preordering anything. You're not buying anything. You're giving money to someone to work on a project. As an incentive to donate to the project, they give you rewards based on how much you give them.
If you donated $30, you got access to the game; if you donated $160, then they give you digital items when the project is completed. Not a single one of those tiers mention a season pass. That content is considered outside of what was promised to you as a result of donating to the project. You will not be getting the retail version of the game. You will be getting a physical copy that is exclusive to certain backers.
Backers will be getting their own bonuses similar to the retail version of the pre-order bonuses. Backers will be receiving both Steam copies and EGS copies of the game.
The only thing that people could argue is that a disc with the EGS launcher is not a copy of the game, but people are largely complaining about things that they were not promised when they gave money to fund the project.
I don't think you really get why this was an issue. This is more than just people being annoyed at not getting the pre-order bonus. I don't think anyone here actually cares about the shitty jacket, or the rubbish scroll, the reason people are pissed off because of the sheer lack of care they have for their backers. They poured salt into an already large wound.
People are already pissed off after what happened with the EGS debacle. I backed for a PC physical copy which I'm not going to properly get anymore because EGS doesn't support installing from disk(and before you ask, I don't have fast internet, so yes I like disk copies thank you very much). The trial ended up being a lie too, they specified "be the first of anyone to play it", tell that to all the press people who played it at e3. Now they don't even care enough to give said backers a measily code for a scroll and a jacket?
The fact it's such a tiny insignificant pre-order bonus if anything just proves the point, it wouldn't even cost them much to give it to backers, but they just don't care at all.
People are tired of being walked all over by Deep Silver.
No where, of course -- like I said, the game needed to be Kickstarted to exist -- but with backer support alone the game would've sucked -- that's just a fact. Do you honestly think the situation would've been better for backers if Shenmue III just came out when YS Net ran out of money? Again, no one wanted to publish this game. Sometimes you've got to accept the good with the bad, and if "the bad" is not getting some throwaway preorder content, I'll happily take it (yes yes, the Epic stuff -- for those people there are refunds).
That offering backers the preorder bonus is beyond their desire to foster goodwill with their backers is exactly what people are reacting negatively to.
So why are they withholding the preorder bonus from these people?And I think this is the reason people are misplacing their outrage. Kickstarter backers and Slacker backers will both be getting unique in game bonuses for helping fund the game.
So why are they withholding the preorder bonus from these people?
We don't know what they're withholding. They said that the preorder bonus will be different and nothing else.So why are they withholding the preorder bonus from these people?
505 Games have got nothing to do with Shenmue 3.Because they were likely funded by 505 Games who aren't seeing any money from backers.
I did not ask what the preorder bonus is.We don't know what they're withholding. They said that the preorder bonus will be different and nothing else.
505 Games have got nothing to do with Shenmue 3.
I did not ask what the preorder bonus is.
It doesn't.By 505 I meant Deep Silver. I was thinking of Bloodstained for some reason. Point still stands though.
I'm going to need some help understanding this. I thought everyone was upset that people weren't getting a preorder bonus
I have it on authority that Deep Silver hired a SHADOW TEAM of ELITE CODERS to infiltrate the YSnet offices, create the preorder assets, and program them in the game.it's amazing how so many people can pass the buck
it's not their fault! it's these other people's fault! yeah the first people hired them but ignore that!
It doesn't.
If Ys Net cared about their backers, they would have ensured that any deal they signed with any publisher or partner would have provisions to ensure that their backers would be fully taken care of.
I'm going to need some help understanding this. I thought everyone was upset that people weren't getting a preorder bonus
If you're not going to read my posts I'm not sure why you want me to explain anything else.I'm going to need some help understanding this. I thought everyone was upset that people weren't getting a preorder bonus
"Forced"?I mean, you're just adding to my point. The backers are not considered revenue in Deep Silver's eyes and clearly Ys Net is being forced to deal with that fact. Pre-order incentives are meant to bring more people in at the full priced product, something the majority of backers are coming in under.
There could easily be an argument for backers over X amount as something Ys Net covers but again, none of those backers are money to the publisher of this product.
"Pedophile cousin"?I have it on authority that Deep Silver hired a SHADOW TEAM of ELITE CODERS to infiltrate the YSnet offices, create the preorder assets, and program them in the game.
Then, whenever a doe-eyed YSnet employee stumbles upon their handiwork, SLEEPER AGENTS disguised as OFFICE FURNITURE tranquilize them and bring them to a FACILITY to have their short term memory WIPED.
This process inadvertently delayed the game a year or so, but I think we can all agree it was worth it to have inconsequential digital items hung just outside our grasp for no other reason than fuck you, I'm Mr. Business and this is how capitalism works and pay no attention to my pedophile cousin.
"Forced"?
Are you suggesting that Deep Silver made Ys Net sign the publishing deal at gunpoint? Or was it a publishing contract that they voluntarily entered into?
He also said PS4 backers deserve refunds because the game was delayed and maybe those backers have since bought a PC and want to play it on the PC, but can't enjoy the game because of Epic. They're not really arguing in good faith at this point.This legitimately made me lol.
I'm the same as you mate. It's hard to tell what people are really angry about in here when posts like that are getting thrown about.
Correct.They very clearly signed a deal with either conceding backers don't get those incentives or simply didn't care to figure it out.
He also said PS4 backers deserve refunds because the game was delayed and maybe they've since bought a PC and want to play it on the PC but can't enjoy because of Epic. They're not really arguing in good faith at this point.
Yep, it's ridiculous. When I called him out on it, he stopped responding to me lol.
He also might not be spending every waking minute at a video game forum.
Because I'm currently sitting at a desk at home with the time to type something. The first thing I typed in this very thread in fact.
They might not be.
I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand about that?
There's nothing better than going after a niche IP.
Its because you refuse to comprehend but your sure like to accuse backers of being entitled.This legitimately made me lol.
I'm the same as you mate. It's hard to tell what people are really angry about in here when posts like that are getting thrown about.
Yes because i don't have any faith in them, if I want a refund I should get it especially after they have treated backers. your points continue to be nonsense.you think it's fair that even if you backed PS4 and you are entirely unaffected by the transition from Steam to EGS, that you should still be entitled to a refund, even though you are going to get what you backed?
you haven't argued in good faith at all but you sure want to blame backers.He also said PS4 backers deserve refunds because the game was delayed and maybe those backers have since bought a PC and want to play it on the PC, but can't enjoy the game because of Epic. They're not really arguing in good faith at this point.
Not really, the defense of ys has been insane.
Its because you refuse to comprehend but your sure like to accuse backers of being entitled.
Yes because i don't have any faith in them, if I want a refund I should get it especially after they have treated backers. You seem not to know what your talking about and your points continue to be nonsense.
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