Ironically EGS is much more monopolistic than Steam by making exclusivity agreements.
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Shenmue 3 Kickstarter will honor refunds and offers Steam keys with a one-year delay [See Staff Post]
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Ironically EGS is much more monopolistic than Steam by making exclusivity agreements.
I'm sure the game will also be cheaper on EGS than it would be on Steam at launch...right?
Jesus Christ. We're back to this again.
No wonder all of the clocks in my house have been running backwards.
And what does Valve get if they "maliciously" design the regional pricing so that devs get less revenueß Less revenue for the dev is less revenue for Valve.
Dev: "how do we get noticed in this overcrowded marketplace?"
Answer: "You have to put effort in it, you have to engage with your potential customers, etc."
Dev: "Yeah fuck that, that's too much hassle, I want free exposure." "Also Valve is evil, if they would drop their cut to 10%, I would make 10 bucks more with my 20 sales, with 30% I can't make another game, but if it was only 10%, those 20 sales could support another game.
So if i backed PC i get an EGS key at launch and then a steam key a year later? Or do i have to choose one or the other?
It's hilarious right? A new competitor who throws cash around and aspires to be a monopoly is not as bad as the market leader. That's the logic from people you quoted.
I'm glad its COSTING EPIC to refund the backers because fuck them for getting in the middle in the first place. It does not make Tim a good or reasonable person he should have done this shit DAY 1. I feel so much for those that have been excited and passionate enough to back the Kickstarter to want a DRM free PC disk copy and now they not only won't get the disk with the game on it they are still forced to use EGS or get their money back and not play it.
What a shit show.
Tim 100% has more of this lined up.
What a shit show.
Tim 100% has more of this lined up.
I would stop backing any games on KS that promote Steam as platform. KS turns out to be success and generate a lot hype also now come with rising risk of Timmy swooping in with checkbook to joink title for exclusivity. Especially with that follow up tweet of his about how in future when they poach KS titles like this they right from the bat will work out refund plans.
It's amazing that people's hatred for Steam has completely blinded them to the irony of backing Epic because you hate monopolies.
I'm sure the company that forces developers to release solely on their platform has good intentions and would never abuse their power if they ever because the premier gaming service.
I'm sure the company that forces developers to release solely on their platform has good intentions and would never abuse their power if they ever because the premier gaming service.
It is scary how quick people are to demonize people they dislike. The world isn't quite so black and white, yet sometimes I forget on ye olde Internet.
He certainly does. He said as much on the threaded tweet about how they're basically insuring Ys Net against losing any money.
How many people in these threads are defending Epic? I get that the Shenmue Fan Club kind of, sort of is, but I really think it's a big straw man that there's a huge group of Epic supporters out there. It sounds like journalists are spreading this message for some reason, which obviously should raise eyebrows. I think people either tolerate Epic or absolutely hate Epic. There doesn't seem to be much of a loyal group of Epic Game Store folks.
"I want this Kickstarter to be successful, but not too successful, because then Epic will come in and fuck everything up."
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What about Subverse?
(Don't google this at work or next to children)
Not specifiying what other subjects are? How about the very one we're discussing here? It's not vague, and it's not that difficult.
You don't have to play anything, or do anything. If you don't want to, stop responding to my posts.
Sub what?
Hang on, let me look that u- oh sheesh.
Thanks for the NSFW warning.
I don't particularly blame Ys Net for taking the money from EPIC. I thought totally understand why some gamers would not want to support them going forward given they don't seem to think about their affected user base. This is all on EPIC for claiming this is good for the industry and holding customers hostage in the process.
If he truly cared about "the industry" he would offer deals that don't require exclusivity as part of a forced agreement.
Good guy Epic. Fuck some shit up then provide a solution.
How this wasnt sorted a month ago ill never know, but its great that Epic has made investing in a game that much riskier for steam subscribers. Might as well buy every kickstarter at this point...
How this wasnt sorted a month ago ill never know, but its great that Epic has made investing in a game that much riskier for steam subscribers. Might as well buy every kickstarter at this point...
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He's either just at a cartoon villain's level of arrogance, or he's not well.
Well, ok. Maybe both.
Amazing. A straight out declaration of war on games crowdfunding, and a tacit admission that they had absolutely no plan going into the deal for Shenmue III. What can even be said here really?
Will not ask for a refund (on my $330) but it will be a forever sour taste when taking out that disc with just an installer on it. Depressing.
Why keep it? Is the box it will come in really worth $330 for you?
How much money does Epic have to keep doing this kind of stuff? because it's not the first time.
Also refund after 3 years of waiting without any interest... the $30 of 2015 doesnt have the same value in 2019.
Suzuki, why you had to agreed to that awful deal with deep silver. I think the community even would look better a second kickstarter than this if you need more money.
Also refund after 3 years of waiting without any interest... the $30 of 2015 doesnt have the same value in 2019.
Suzuki, why you had to agreed to that awful deal with deep silver. I think the community even would look better a second kickstarter than this if you need more money.
The actual disc and box containing it won't be worth much unless there is some amazing cover art*. But I really went in wanting to primarily fund the development. And I had always said that I would buy any console for Shenmue III so I felt that I could just as well put in a matching amount. Plus the other rewards in that level have potential value for me with the YS signed illustration, name in credits, soundtrack (hopefully on disc, but who knows now a days...), art book and more. But yeah, mostly I wanted to support dev and I get that the rewards will most likely not be worth even a quarter of that money.
*Edit; Another reason why I have continuously ranted on the hideous new logo.
I'll get the refund, then. They lost my business the very moment they announced the move to EGS with that insulting marketing speak ("most enjoyable experience" my ass).
That Epic is paying for all refunds out of its own pocket is just further incentive for me.
That Epic is paying for all refunds out of its own pocket is just further incentive for me.
Steam never required devs to sign an agreement for exclusivity, they are the biggest because they literally offer the best PC digital store. The market decided to make it as big as it is.
I know for a fact that I am done with Kickstarter unless devs take it upon themselves to find a more legally-binding method to keep their initial promises of distribution methods a reality barring extreme circumstances. Publishers that join forces with Kickstarter devs should also be bound to that agreement. And until that becomes a part of the Kickstarter platform -- a legal agreement between Kickstarter and project developers to not enter into agreements that relinquish their publishing rights -- I am putting a freeze on KS.
I couldn't care less what Epic is doing. It's their prerogative to offer money to whomever they like. I expect developers who achieve their dream by the grace of those with the means to make that dream a reality to have the decency to respect their promises, or figure out some other way than begging to make it a reality. I have an idea, why don't you try going to Epic first if you want to make a game and see how that works out? :)
I couldn't care less what Epic is doing. It's their prerogative to offer money to whomever they like. I expect developers who achieve their dream by the grace of those with the means to make that dream a reality to have the decency to respect their promises, or figure out some other way than begging to make it a reality. I have an idea, why don't you try going to Epic first if you want to make a game and see how that works out? :)
They never had to, whether they had the best store or not. In market share and in public perception, Steam is considered the only game in town.
And because it is so huge, it's not unreasonable to believe all but the largest devs releasing new stuff aren't doing much better than breaking even or just above. In the end, devs, especially new ones, need to recoup their costs and get at least some profit so they can continue making games. I imagine that's the scenario Ys Net were faced with here. An unfortunate scenario for sure, but one that ensures the game recoups most of its budget and gives even the glimmer of hope for a fourth installment.
I backed this game, and I care more about that than where and how I play this.
As I said in the last thread, this is the road PC gaming is headed down, like it or not. We're seeing it with TV streaming. Eventually these storefronts will be fractured as publishers and developers seek to retain as close to 100% of the cut as possible. If Epic weren't doing it, someone else would.
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You can be defeatist if you want and you're allowed to want to play it more than caring about stores or consumer rights just don't pretend this is good for the industry or consumers.
Didn't Ys Net get backing from Sony on top of the Kickstarter? I mean EPIC literally dumps money at their feet so why wouldn't they take it I get that. But people are also allowed to voice concern about it.
Yup and if you are a developer with a 1m+ units sold game they'll fund you. But if you're a small developer they'll pass until you prove your game will have a user base.
You can still like, fight against shitty things? Why just accept abuse? Video piracy is rising due to service splintering. It will rise with PC gaming as well while the exclusivity war wages on. And that's not to say that I want Steam to be a monopoly or the only store in town but they have earned my trust after 15 years of good-will when they could have turned the screws on exclusivity long ago.
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in my state when you move out they need to give you the interest on your security deposit you gave them at the beginning of your lease
slumlords look good compared to epic
your 300 bucks is worth like 20 dollars less thanks to inflation!
slumlords look good compared to epic
your 300 bucks is worth like 20 dollars less thanks to inflation!
Which will effect how much people will be willing to pay for games.
i swear i read this exact same post many years ago
but it was about gfwl and involved "look PC gamers are going to have to get used to paying for online! consoles do it and it's only a matter of time!"
still waiting for that one to happen
I agree - people who are angry about this should speak up. I believe this is unfortunate, but I'm not angry over it.
But I also believe that yes, things like this will be good for consumers in the long run - even if it doesn't look like it now. What would you prefer - 2-3+ digital stores competing for your business AND the major developers', or every single developer who can afford it locking their stuff up behind their own store / sub model / DRM etc with Steam picking up the scraps?
I can almost guarantee for most of the devs, the experience of Steam/Epic etc. won't matter if they can squeeze out a dime or more for every dollar you spend and exert more creative control over the content they created.
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If it doesn't look good now then chances are it isn't.
One could think that a wealthy company like Epic could make it both be and look better.
One could think that a wealthy company like Epic could make it both be and look better.
I wouldn't even go as far as to say that nothing can be done. Plenty has already been done. Despite the fact that they basically bought a conference, they only announced like 7-8 new exclusives, all of which fairly minor other than Shenmue III and Auto-Chess, which have largely backfired so far. Steam "got" Cyberpunk, Baldur's Gate 3, Destiny 2, Halo, the continuing support of Japanese publishers in general... if we take Game Pass into account, things don't look too rosy for the EGS outside of Borderlands 3 right now tbh.
Every single developer who can afford it is going to create their own storefront whether the cut is 30% or 12%. Maybe temporarily the 12% satisfies them but eventually the shareholders need more money and 12% will be too much.