Peace.I wrote a really long post to reply to this, but it ain't worth it, cause you think I'm on a high horse. so if you actually want to talk about this without being snarky back yourself, let me know. otherwise I am done. cheers.
Peace.I wrote a really long post to reply to this, but it ain't worth it, cause you think I'm on a high horse. so if you actually want to talk about this without being snarky back yourself, let me know. otherwise I am done. cheers.
Well this now transforms KS into some project pool for EPIC to buy exclusives from.
Creators will need to answer some very specific questions day 1 to earn people's trust now.
''Will your product be available for multiple distribution platforms, including the multiple choices on PC?''
Y/N/Others: Please specify.
''Will you stick to these words and not let your project being bought out as an exclusive in the middle of the project?''
Y/N
this entire post boils down to why do other people care so much about something one way over anotherI read it. But, as a high tier backer I'm more interested in playing the game, versus complaining about whether the disc has a 50GB .exe on it or not.
Between 2015 and now the climate has changed and YsNet felt it was better for the game to secure more funding. That happened to be via Epic. They wrote a detailed KS update (#104) explaining what that extra funding meant for the game. I was impressed, and though I dislike Epic, their practices and the EGS, I am ultimately OK with it. If it meant a couple of hundred backers along the way got burned on (what I think are) minor things such as a full game install disc, so be it. If the end result is a better game, I think it's a price to pay.
I'm allowed to feel that way, and I know it's different to how you and others in this thread feel. Maybe I don't need to be so dismissive (though my "snarky comment" was hardly offensive, lets be serious now). But at some point you have to ask yourself, is this really worth getting so cut up about? Like, can either of you actually explain to me why you personally are so at odds with this current situation that we need to continuing blaming somebody? Please?
The game is being made, which is amazing in itself. And there are avenues being provided to play it on multiple platforms if you backed it - and if that isn't enough, they're offering you a refund. Who is there to blame, really? And for what? What are we blaming them for?
Come on. Life is too short. It just feels like there is nothing YsNet can do at this point that will satisfy everybody. And that's just sad.
this entire post boils down to why do other people care so much about something one way over another
put this post in literally any other thread on this entire site and see how odd it looks
feel however you want man but then why are you writing paragraphs about this and then accusing others of wasting their lives caring too much about something
Whats this even all about? Wouldn't "in-game content" be like the game itself? What level of backers will even get a *full* refund o.o?
People who backed at higher amounts are more deserving of a refund imo. I don't know why Sweeney would refuse to offer everyone full refunds.There are tiers where you as a person could make a cameo in the game as NPC. So if they already the made 3D model and what not , they aren't refunding you for that.
There were special tiers where backers can make a cameo in certain forms.
Higher tiers of KS support gave supporters the chance to feature in the game themselves.
Not sure why blame needs to be placed on anybody at this stage considering refunds are being provided and you can swap to a tier that gives you a Steam key. But grrrr me angry.
Ohhh ewww. I remember that goal now. That one never sat right by me. Many of the stretch goals didn't but theres no way cameoing real people isn't gonna feel awfully outta place. Still if anyone who backed that high wants a refund they oughta get it in full an let YS patch 'em out. They've surely got the resources to that now.There are tiers where you as a person could make a cameo in the game as NPC. So if they already the made 3D model and what not , they aren't refunding you for that.
People who backed at higher amounts are more deserving of a refund imo. I don't know why Sweeney would refuse to offer everyone full refunds.
Who said I care? I'm just curious home slice.
We apologize for the long delay in responding. An update has been posted with information for refunds, Steam key distribution and platform switching, along with other relevant fulfillment details including stretch goal content adjustments. Many issues that will affect your irrevocable refund decision are presented in the update, so please make sure to read the update carefully.
Update On PC Version Rewards: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3/posts/2553891
Once refunds are ready to be processed, there will be an update with the necessary steps you will need to take for a refund. Currently, the refund is planned to be transacted through your backer survey.
The refund option has not been added to the backer survey yet, but for future reference, you can go to the Survey Resender and get your survey immediately at: https://fulfillment.fangamer.com/kindling/shenmue3/survey_support
We ask for your patience until preparations have been completed.
Sincerely,
The Shenmue III Team
huh? got nothing.
IIRC Valve's Hawaiian vacation is known as a not-mandatory-but-actually-kind-of-mandatory team-building exercise for people that may or may not want to got to Hawaii or spend vacation time with their co-workers.I couldn't believe Schreier actually try to make Valve paying the holiday for their developer is a bad thing. Or is it that Valve doesn't count as developer now? So much bullshit from Schreier, someone that I expected better. Even more so because at the same time Epic still actively crunch their developer to hell and back.
If anyone has even the smallest sliver of intelligence they will now steer well clear of all crowdfunded games, thanks to that asshole.So he's saying it's going to happen again. Why would anyone back anything ever again?
I'm not going to restart development in another engine nor am I going to skip good games made in Unreal Engine, but you can bet your ass I'm not redeeming anything on the EGS for the foreseeable future, let alone buying any games on there.If anyone has even the smallest sliver of intelligence they will now steer well clear of all crowdfunded games, thanks to that asshole.
He has not only had a negative effecct on Y's Net, Yu Suzuki, and PC gaming in general (Deep Silver needed no help and fucked themselves) that his polluted grasp even extended to crowdfunding.
Don't support Epic Games at all and avoid everything they have, to send out a clear message.
Fortnite money will dry up and it's popularity seems to be slowly dwindling already after two lackluster seasons.
This will happen again I guarantee it, don't be part of the problem. Be part of the solution and avoid EGS like the plauge!
Presumably they'd refund up to the $200 or so extra they paid to get their face inside a capsule toy or whatever. I think that's fair -- they fulfilled the key part of that reward -- liaised with that backer, spent dev time on it, and implemented it in the game.People who backed at higher amounts are more deserving of a refund imo. I don't know why Sweeney would refuse to offer everyone full refunds.
Did they change the survey in order to opt in for Epic+Steam key yet?
No change to the survey yet. We're back to waiting for a future update.Did they change the survey in order to opt in for Epic+Steam key yet?
is it really THAT serious?My order is for the physical PC version. If I don't need to redeem my EGS key in order to get the Steam key later, I'll sell the EGS key.
If I do need to redeem the EGS version in order to claim the Steam version through Epic or something like that... sigh, I'll install EGS on a virtual machine and redeem my key there so that I can redeem it later on Steam lol
I'll not play this game until it's on steam. that's for sure.
I doubt it. It's a PR move by Epic that's ultimately going to going to cost them chump change. Either way people got what they wanted so who cares.I want to believe that the 5 or so complaints i filled and helped fill against Kickstarter and Ys.net to the European Consumer Defense committee helped / forced someone in the chain to decide for the refunds
I doubt it. It's a PR move by Epic that's ultimately going to going to cost them chump change. Either way people got what they wanted so who cares.
Let's be real, people didn't get what they wanted ie. the steam keys at release, which they were promised.
Nope not at all. His allegiance to a monopoly is quite bizarre. EGS client isn't great but if I was mad/deluded/passionate enough to think Shenmue 3 is going to be worth playing, I don't see how the client you launch it through would be a factor.
I was specifically talking about refunds as that's what the user was filing complaints about. I'm fully aware they couldn't offer Steam keys at launch, hence refunds.Let's be real, people didn't get what they wanted ie. the steam keys at release, which they were promised.
Nah, thank SEGA for not publishing a game called Shenmue fucking 3.I wonder how 2015 me would feel if I went back in time and told him 4 years later we're more stoked to get a refund than the actual game, and it's all because of Fortnite.
No lie, gonna have to thank all my boys that play that garbo tho, cause their skins and battle pass purchases got me my money back. 🙏🏻
I mean, Sega lost money on Shenmue. Can't blame them on that.Nah, thank SEGA for not publishing a game called Shenmue fucking 3.
It's not like Shenmue's a cutting-edge ultra high budget project this time around.
If they were releasing it like this, you'd be complaining about how "Sega is releasing Shenmue 3 without a cutting-edge ultra high budget"It's not like Shenmue's a cutting-edge ultra high budget project this time around.
It's a tame kickstarter project that's been at least partly funded without them (the kickistarter goal wasn't the full budget as far as I know)
Nope.If they were releasing it like this, you'd be complaining about how "Sega is releasing Shenmue 3 without a cutting-edge ultra high budget"
I don't know what kind of reaction Deep Silver were expecting with EGS deal in the first place, but in the end i guess it exceeded their expectations. Backers have to wait a YEAR to recieve steam version? What a shitshow.
Do you really think anyone wanted to pay $30 for a Steam installer on a disc, which has now been replaced with an EGS installer?People being salty for not getting a physical PC version without DRM are ridiculous. Have there ever been a game with everything on a disc for the last 10 years?
[…] Even a bunch of indiedevelopers had called out that article for BS, but no one at Polygon cared.
And FWIW, the developers the "journalist" had spoken with, was the dev behind... this https://store.steampowered.com/app/710690/The_Path_of_Motus/
That's good - this won't affect Yu and YsNet in the slightest :)
With EGS providing the money to cover refunds, you should claim back every cent guilt-free. It's still essentially an interest-free loan, but at least you're fucked over less by getting that money back.Will not ask for a refund (on my $330) but it will be a forever sour taste when taking out that disc with just an installer on it. Depressing.
Fortnite made an estimated $2.4 billion last year (somehow). It's not going to stop any time soon.How much money does Epic have to keep doing this kind of stuff? because it's not the first time.
Unless things change, EGS itself does not seem to add any DRM, so you should be able to download it in the VM and copy it to your host PC and play without the EGS client.My order is for the physical PC version. If I don't need to redeem my EGS key in order to get the Steam key later, I'll sell the EGS key.
If I do need to redeem the EGS version in order to claim the Steam version through Epic or something like that... sigh, I'll install EGS on a virtual machine and redeem my key there so that I can redeem it later on Steam lol
I'll not play this game until it's on steam. that's for sure.
I know people that have started pirating games again thanks to this EGS mess, and publishers moving away from Steam to their own storefront.I think publishers have lost the realization that Steam saved PC gaming because it killed piracy with its services; starting to take it for granted. Gamers growing attachment has only been good for sales. People who would have been pirating a 60 dollar game would actually find it worth again to spend on that price just to have it on the steam launcher. They have really started to take it for granted.
For those wondering about Season Pass, I just got a reply from YS Net: (tl:dr - backers won't get content in pre-orders/deluxe edition, including the season pass)
Dear Antonio,
We apologize for the long delay in responding. Your feedback is appreciated and we will look into having your noted points in future updates.
Standard and deluxe versions released through retail sales are not affiliated with the crowdfunding campaign, so will not be included with backer pledges, however, they will be available for sale separately. Kickstarter Backers will receive the Kickstarter version, Slacker Backers will receive the Slacker Backer version. Both have unique content respective to their versions not available in the retail versions.
A season pass is not included.
Trial version release date info has yet to be confirmed and will be announced in the updates when details are available. You will be receiving your trial trial version, but we must ask for your patience for a little longer.
There will be more information following in the days ahead concerning updates.
Sincerely,
The Shenmue III Team
Credits goes to Antonio
tl:dr - backers won't get content in pre-orders/deluxe edition, including the season passCode:For those wondering about Season Pass, I just got a reply from YS Net: (tl:dr - backers won't get content in pre-orders/deluxe edition, including the season pass) Dear Antonio, We apologize for the long delay in responding. Your feedback is appreciated and we will look into having your noted points in future updates. Standard and deluxe versions released through retail sales are not affiliated with the crowdfunding campaign, so will not be included with backer pledges, however, they will be available for sale separately. Kickstarter Backers will receive the Kickstarter version, Slacker Backers will receive the Slacker Backer version. Both have unique content respective to their versions not available in the retail versions. A season pass is not included. Trial version release date info has yet to be confirmed and will be announced in the updates when details are available. You will be receiving your trial trial version, but we must ask for your patience for a little longer. There will be more information following in the days ahead concerning updates. Sincerely, The Shenmue III Team
Par for the course with Deep Silver.tl:dr - backers won't get content in pre-orders/deluxe edition, including the season pass