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Shenmue III is timed exclusive to Epic Games Store, backers PC code redeemed on EGS & no refund (See Threadmark) [READ STAFF POSTS BEFORE POSTING]

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Jobbs

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aisback said:
I just checked and they haven't even got a shopping cart.
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Do the Nintendo eshop and Xbox PC app get the same scrutiny for not having a shopping cart? I can't think of a time I've ever felt inconvenienced by a shopping cart being missing, typically I only buy one game at once so the shopping cart actually adds a step.
 
KingSnake

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It's pretty funny watching Epic Games crashing the hype for one game after another.

I'm happy I didn't help fund this game although I was tempted to do so. Especially since it doesn't look too hot either.

People have every right to be mad about this, they won't get the reward they pledged for although the game is being made.
 
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VatticWave said:
Honestly I agree with you. The game is not looking so good in its latest footage, so maybe more capital can improve it. Also, yeah, I think the developers need to explain this a lot better.
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They are between a rock and a hard place, I get it. They need more funding to actually finish the game.

But I wonder if it is worth it to piss off their most loyal fans like this. The ones that were willing to back this game so far in advance just from the name alone.

Even if Epic pays for the Kickstarter refunds, the damage to the brand and Yu Suzuki as a creator could make funding the next game really difficult. We'll see if the people complaining are just a vocal minority or if this will be a serious problem in the future...
 
Alucrid

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well with the epic cash they received it should be easy for them to refund any backers who want it, right?
 
Uthred

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SurrenderDorothy said:
You can't absolve Epic from this, they literally fostered this shit environment we're in.
Fuck them too.
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Of course I can, dont you know I'm the absolver? Deep Silver weren't forced into this. The game was funded. Rationally this is on DS.

demosthenes said:
Epic cut the check. DS cashed it.
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So it's on DS, glad you agree.

Audioboxer said:
Didn't Tim say they wouldn't do this again? Buyout a game with an already established presence on Steam.
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I'm not Tim Sweeney and I'm not Google, so why are you asking me? With Phoenix Point it was the devs approaching Epic, maybe its the same thing here.
 
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Walnut said:
I have an email from this time last year that says when I finalized my purchase, I chose Steam Digital Download as my backer reward. Any promise vagueness associated with the campaign before 2018 doesn’t matter, because when they finalized my choice it said Steam, that is straight up what I was promised. I had the choice to choose PS4, and if they had said at the time “Epic Games Store or PS4” I would have gone with PS4 physical. As far as I’m aware at this point there’s no changing your version of the game you ordered.

As you said, you can repeat a lie as many times as you’d like, but it doesn’t become the truth. Now stop trying to lie to people in this thread, thanks.
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As you are acknowledging, that "choice finalization" was made on 2018. 3 years after you backed the game and payed the money.

I guess you would, at most, be entitled to change your choice of the "Steam" version (now non-existent) for the PS4 one, or even insist on getting a Steam version. But not to a refund.

The lie is repeating that backers were promised a Steam version. Because when they actually and freely became backers, there was no Steam promise.
 
Wraith

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As recently as their June 4 update, they still had "Requires Steam Client to activate" in the PC system requirements.

I backed for a PS4 physical copy, so doesn't change anything for me. If I had chosen a PC copy, I'd probably be mildly perturbed that it'll be separate from the games in my Steam library, but wouldn't be trying to get a refund.
 
Slaythe

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JayCeeJim said:
Oh, come on! The Kickstarter campaign it's, literally, when all the backers actually made the decision to purchase the game (and paid the money)

If Steam wasn't promised then, and you bought the game anyway, you are not entitled now to get in on Steam. Despite the publisher mentioned it afterwards.

It's not semantics nor "initial marketing". It's basic trade concepts...

PD: And please, I think you are being really rude calling my posts "stupid"
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I mean it wasn't gonna end up on the Ubisoft store was it ... ?

If Steam was the only real store they could have put it in, and if any communication after the kickstarter has referred to Steam, and even let people literally choose the Steam version...

Then what happens ?

I picked Steam. If they give me an Epic Key, that's not what I chose. Soooo ?




It's not even in the fucking options so stop acting like people were not entirely mislead.
 
Vlodril

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It is amazing that there are so many people that still do not understand that backing games on kickstarter does not mean they pre-order these games.
 
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JayCeeJim said:
As you are acknowledging, that "choice finalization" was made on 2018. 3 years after you backed the game and payed the money.

I guess you would, at most, be entitled to change your choice of the "Steam" version (now non-existent) for the PS4 one, or even insist on getting a Steam version. But not to a refund.

The lie is repeating that backers were promised a Steam version. Because when they actually and freely became backers, there was no Steam promise.
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Amazing you keep on this path and keep meandering your arguments.
 
aisback

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Jobbs said:
Do the Nintendo eshop and Xbox PC app get the same scrutiny for not having a shopping cart? I can't think of a time I've ever felt inconvenienced by a shopping cart being missing, typically I only buy one game at once so the shopping cart actually adds a step.
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I think the problem is they were supposed to add it months ago.

The store needs some work doing to it. The content is there though
 
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The exclusivity sucks as always, but the spin in that KS update is truly fucked.
 
Eolz

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Mushroomer25 said:
Is it?

Kickstarting a game does not entitle you to the final product. Full stop. It's not a preorder, it's a donation. Same goes for specific console releases. As we've seen several times (Youka-Laylee on WiiU, Mighty No 9 on Vita) - developers are permitted to cancel platform releases with zero guaranteed compensation for original backers who wanted said platform. Steam's no different.

This is the agreement of Kickstarter. And if Shenmue III is what it takes for realize that is a bad deal - then people are free to decline that deal in the future.
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Saying that you shouldn't ever use Kickstarter because one project with big backing associated itself with a bad publisher and chose to break a promise (amongst many) is indeed a stupid statement, sorry.

Of course Kickstarter isn't for preorders. But people trying to convince people to stop crowdfunding projects because a few projects fail or have a misstep is ridiculous.
And they fucked up here. But that has nothing to do with Kickstarter.
 
Wumbo64

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Perhaps they will distribute Steam keys, just to fulfill the backer's wants.

Otherwise, I cannot say I am surprised. Epic probably provided excellent support for Unreal and then likely offered them a wheelbarrow of cash to make the switch.

It wouldn't stop me from buying it, personally. The game was so highly desired that it being exclusive to a single store on PC isn't a turn off. I am just happy it exists.

Though, uh... I totally understand the frustrations. This was not a smart PR move.
 
voOsh

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If you chose a different platform (or even if you didn't) -- request a refund. I don't care how much you want to play the game, this shit cannot be allowed. If we don't draw the line here what else will be taken from us? Fucking feels like in the future someone will just tell me what games to play and I'll have 0 choice.
 
Buyao

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Just asked for a refund on Kickstarter. This fangamer email clearly show they had Steam version on the list back then.

 
C-Dub

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Even though they didn't mention Steam during the Kickstarter, they were taking backer money long after the Kickstarter, when they were promising Steam.
 
TechnoSyndrome

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Signing an exclusivity deal before your game is announced is one thing, even after it's announced for steam initially, but to Kickstart a game for Steam, a game you already have some Sony funding for and a publisher on top of that, and to still screw over your backers like this is just disgusting. Nobody should support devs or publishers who show such a disregard for their customers. Once you've taken the money you should stick to what you promised in terms of platforms.
 
neoak

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Yeah, I'll be asking for a refund. I backed the PC version and wanted a Steam key.
 
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Spalone Babagus said:
him actually, kickstarter is a very ethical way to buy video games. It's all about collaboration and trust

Kickstarter is basically the socialism of video games, and I, as a socialist, will support things I love
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Kickstarter is about who's best at selling you on something that doesn't exist. Might be the most neo-liberal way of making a game.
 
Dalik

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benzopil said:
We are talking about 2015, not today, not three years later, not when the Steam page launched.

If in 2015 when you baked the game you could choose Steam somewhere, then fine. But if we are talking strictly about Kickstarter campaign and press releases, they didn't mention Steam, GOG or any other platform there.
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The survey is the same as it was 5 years ago. Stop mirror climbing and accept you're wrong.
 
Arkai

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Yeah of this isn't coming to Steam like I backed my money on, im pretty tempted to ask for a refund. Really not liking this kind of practice.
 
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