Shenmue III is timed exclusive to Epic Games Store, backers PC code redeemed on EGS & no refund (See Threadmark) [READ STAFF POSTS BEFORE POSTING]

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Swenhir

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What Yu Suzuki and Deep Silver did for Shenmu III is one of the most galling, outrageous and greedy move the gaming industry has ever seen. Do check the history :
  • They rode Sony's E3, gaining a publicity most kickstarter and indies can only dream about
  • They had a massive Kickstarter success and secured a publisher
  • They promised Steam keys and even sent a poll to that effect a while ago
Kickstarter is based on an ideal and goodwill, they wouldn't exist without those. It shows their true character when they then take the most cynical and toxic choice possible with exclusivity on a fucking open platform. They turned their backs on the people who supported them and they did so without a shred of remorse or hesitation given the tone of their recent communication. To paraphrase it :

"No, you don't get refunds. This is how it is. Fuck you."

I don't know if it's a Japanese idea to sound so unapologetic and authoritarian when you are so much in the wrong but it's not going to do wonders for them.

Has the press said anything yet about this or the impact Epic has on kickstarter which is, you know, the seedbed of most indies, gaming innovation and triumphs since 2012?
 

pezzie

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm not a backer of this campaign nor a Shenmue fan, so I wasn't planning on getting this game anyway.

But those of you going "It's just a launcher" or "It's playable on PC anyways" are overlooking the fact that a good many of us find the EGS policies on buying up exclusives detestable.

I would not want to give any company who did things I didn't agree with money, nor would I want to install that launcher. I've installed plenty of other launchers, GoG, Origin, UPlay, Battle.net. I have no problems with extra icons or my library being in different places. What I have a problem with is Epic's bullshit buying of exclusives and would not want to support them in any way whatsoever.
 

TeenageFBI

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Oct 25, 2017
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Speaking as someone that backed this (and Phoenix Point) pretty hard, I feel like an idiot. Fuck Deep Silver, fuck Epic, and fuck Ys Net.
 

marvelharvey

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The launch was previously planned for distribution on Steam, however it was decided together with Deep Silver after much discussion that the Epic Games Store would be the best distribution platform option.
I wonder in what way the EGS is a better distribution platform? Better download speeds? Better matchmaking? Better customer support? Better $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$?
 

crazyfunster

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Oct 27, 2017
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I kickstarted a game last week, I'm confident that they'll never do EGS, but I can never trust anyone again. I don't think I'll ever use a kickstarter for a game again after this.
 

TheTrain

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Oct 27, 2017
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Wowza, that's just bonkers. What an evil way to destroy fan faith in a product, especially after the passionate backers were responsible for the game making it this far at all.

Damn. Just ..... damn.
I just got a reply from them from early. This is what it says.


Hello Patrick,

Thank you very much for contacting us.

The launch was previously planned for distribution on Steam, however it was decided together with Deep Silver after much discussion that the Epic Games Store would be the best distribution platform option.

Shenmue III will be distributed through the Epic Games Store and will require the Epic Games Store Client to activate.
Even though the surveys stated that the PC version rewards will be through Steam, those rewards will now be be delivered through the Epic Games Store.

We apologize for the sudden change in platform, however, refunds will not be granted for this change.

We thank you for your support and look forward to delivering the Shenmue experience fans everywhere have been waiting so long for.

Best Regards,
The Shenmue III Team
Seriously, what the fuck. There are orders with a steam key of the game, how is that legal?
Holy shit I'm enraged and I haven't even backed this shit, but how the fuck you can telll your customer to fuck off with a straight face? That's disgusting
 

crazyfunster

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Oct 27, 2017
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At this point chargebacks are justified. Enough chargebacks and Kickstarter will be inconvienced enough to do something. Sucks a bit because this isn't Kickstarter's fault, but it's on them to prevent something like this happening in the future.
 

Hamchan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Knowing that these exclusivity deals only seem to exclude Steam rather than being real exclusives to EGS, it’s so easy for me to wait for all these exclusives to hit Windows Store/Game Pass.
 

LazyLain

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Jan 17, 2019
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What Yu Suzuki and Deep Silver did for Shenmu III is one of the most galling, outrageous and greedy move the gaming industry has ever seen. Do check the history :
  • They rode Sony's E3, gaining a publicity most kickstarter and indies can only dream about
  • They had a massive Kickstarter success and secured a publisher
  • They promised Steam keys and even sent a poll to that effect a while ago
Kickstarter is based on an ideal and goodwill, they wouldn't exist without those. It shows their true character when they then take the most cynical and toxic choice possible with exclusivity on a fucking open platform. They turned their backs on the people who supported them and they did so without a shred of remorse or hesitation given the tone of their recent communication. To paraphrase it :

"No, you don't get refunds. This is how it is. Fuck you."

I don't know if it's a Japanese idea to sound so unapologetic and authoritarian when you are so much in the wrong but it's not going to do wonders for them.

Has the press said anything yet about this or the impact Epic has on kickstarter which is, you know, the seedbed of most indies, gaming innovation and triumphs since 2012?
I feel you, but two counter-points:

1. I can kinda sorta sympathize with the greed, to a degree. Game's being made on a relatively paltry budget, and the sad reality is that it's probably gonna sell very poorly. The vast majority of the people who'd buy this probably already did via kickstarter.

2. The "toxic exclusivity" angle you touch on seems like a stretch to me... like yeah sure, PC's an open platform. But Steam isn't, and that's where it was exclusively headed before they changed to Epic. If it were GOG-bound where it'd be DRM free and you could download and play it without a launcher, then I'd agree.
 

crazyfunster

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Oct 27, 2017
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If this was headed to GOG as an exclusive, I think there would be some complaints, but not this level of outrage. The outrage is because EGS is just a horrible experience, and insecure.

GOG is generally seen as an honest service. EGS isn't.
 

IronicSonic

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just got a reply from them from early. This is what it says.


Hello Patrick,

Thank you very much for contacting us.

The launch was previously planned for distribution on Steam, however it was decided together with Deep Silver after much discussion that the Epic Games Store would be the best distribution platform option.

Shenmue III will be distributed through the Epic Games Store and will require the Epic Games Store Client to activate.
Even though the surveys stated that the PC version rewards will be through Steam, those rewards will now be be delivered through the Epic Games Store.

We apologize for the sudden change in platform, however, refunds will not be granted for this change.

We thank you for your support and look forward to delivering the Shenmue experience fans everywhere have been waiting so long for.

Best Regards,
The Shenmue III Team
I hate the fact that this is happening with Shenmue 3 of all games. Fuck.

How play Cedric in all of this
 

MattB

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Oct 25, 2017
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I find this funny. I love these meltdowns.
 

Sami

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Oct 25, 2017
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Kickstarter people - I originally picked the PS4 version when I chose which version I wanted, but now I prefer PC. There any way to change it?

I'd be willing to trade also lol
 

TinfoilHatsROn

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh man this is the single biggest drama bomb that no one could have predicted. Holy shit lol. The only thing crazier would be Bloodborne 2 being epic exclusive.
 

TeenageFBI

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Oct 25, 2017
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To give so little regard to promises made to thousands of fans that literally bankrolled your game... It’s just insulting. Everyone involved in this deal is awful.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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Straight up denying refunds. That can't be legal.
No fucking refunds. What’ll happen if I contact my bank and tell them they’re not giving me the product I bought and I want a them to reverse the charge? Can they reverse one from that ducking long ago? This is super ducking shitty. I don’t want a fucking Epic key. I wasn’t promised a shit fucking epic key.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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To give so little regard to promises made to thousands of fans that literally bankrolled your game... It’s just insulting. Everyone involved in this deal is awful.
Yeah, this is why I can't get behind the people who want to shield Suzuki from this just because Deep Silver made the ultimate decision. He's the one whose treating his supporters like garbage.
 

Hamchan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Epic has really poisoned the Kickstarter well huh?

All these exclusives just made me think how I will probably never kickstart a game again thanks to Epic. You just can’t trust that the games will actually come to the promised platforms thanks to them.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Epic has really poisoned the Kickstarter well huh?

All these exclusives just made me think how I will probably never kickstart a game again thanks to Epic. You just can’t trust that the games will actually come to the promised platforms thanks to them.
Yeah, same for me. I've probably backed more than 15 games between Kickstarter and Fig. It's going to be really difficult for me to ever touch another one after this.
 

larrybud

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Oct 25, 2017
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the great communal howl over the epic games store is needless. harden your hearts ya’ll. I’m not trolling here; just giving my (admittedly cynical) opinion. in business dealings as in life, you should expect to get fucked.
 

XodiousBlack

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I apologize ahead of time for my ignorance, but why is everyone so upset (console gamer). I know it’s not on steam but is that why people are so upset? Again,very genuine question looking for a honest answer
 
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