Plenty of them, actually (Total War: Three Kingdom, Metro, Kingdom Come and so on). It's only Activision and EA that are going on this route, all the other publisher are still doing their "normal" retail version.
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Shenmue III is timed exclusive to Epic Games Store, backers PC code redeemed on EGS & no refund (See Threadmark) [READ STAFF POSTS BEFORE POSTING]
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So this is false then, yeah? It says the PC version comes on a DVD, but it's only coming with a code now?This is nice at least:
Do any of those games have a meaningful amount of content on the disc? Even going back to 2009, I've bought games that were Steam codes and an extremely out of date preload on disc that required 50%+ of the total game size in updates.
THQ Nordic games (XBOX Game Studio titles) come with DVDs and a Steam key
Yeah Ninja and his teen fanbase have been eagerly awaiting Shenmue 3 for the past decade and a half.
Users are nothing more than a commodity to EGS. We are numbers and units to Tim. They saw an opportunity to FORCE a set amount of users (that had already paid for something else!) to install and use their software. It is fuckin insane that this is legal.
That's the point I made earlier. PC physical copies are now digital codes for the EGS store. Fucking unreal that they think they can get away with this? Terrible. They better offer refunds or honor the actual physical copies.
I think the LRG one comes on an actual disc where as the Deep Silver one will just be a code, since the whole point of LRG is physical games
That it poisons the kickstarter well? Maybe, but maybe it clarifies it for people on the other hand? Kickstarter isn't what most people think it is IMO. When I immediately ponied up a few years ago it felt more like a gamble than a downpayment. For me every development since has been a "meh, it's better than nothing..." feeling. What I'm getting is better than losing my money outright, and getting something to follow up on Shenmue II is better than nothing.
I expected a steam store key. I don't feel betrayed that I have to click a different icon than the one I thought I'd click to open the damn game I've been waiting almost 20 years for. Maybe I just got bigger shit to worry about and this seems trivial, if suboptimal.
For the Phoenix Point Kickstarter, they were paid enough money by Epic to still be good even if they refunded all of the pledges.
I imagine that Epic will have paid a lot more for Shenmue 3.
I don't think it's just a matter of whether you like Shenmue or whether you like Epic Store or not, if you advertise a sellable product for a certain service or library and then change that after it's been bought, it's not honouring every customer and even deserves to be called out by a larger audience than Shenmue fans.
I fucking hope so
If they were gonna sell us out, they better have gotten top dollar!
But that's not what they said though. Was supposed to be an actual disc. In fact, originally during the kickstarter campaign, they didn't have a physical copy for PS4. Only digital. They eventually caved because of popular demand.
I'm not sure you're really wanting to talk about this in good faith. It's obviously Deep Silver are aware of backlash considering they had a rainstorm of shit over Metro, but that's doesn't mean they would anticipate the issue blowing up to this level. Again, hindsight is 20/20.
Honestly that's probably for the best. After the first two, three pages of the trailer thread, this one started acting nicely as a quarantine. Most of the people left in the other one are into the game and genuinely excited about it.
I HAD TO DO A DOUBLE TAKE CAUSE I'M FUMING AT THIS NEWS. DONATED $500 FOR TO MAKE THIS GAME ARRIVE AND NOW THEY ARE DIRECTLY PUTTING IT IN A STORE I DO NOT WISH TO SUPPORT. AND NO REFUNDS?????
Yeah, that sucks, but it is fairly par for the course with Kickstarter. The game switching store fronts is a lot more meaningful IMO than if the game includes an encrypted preload on a disc or not. Was it intended to have a DRM free disc release or something?
Could end up being a better deal for Deep Silver than for Epic then
i suppose that's true. metro is a multi-million dollar franchise after all. if some other smaller crowd funded game went exclusive to epic and also received a ton of blow back between metro and shenmue then it would be a whole different story.
Looking through some Japanese tweets, they seem to be angry/dissapointed at this news as well.
Welcome to the club. Between you, me, and another member in this thread, 3 people are together asking for $1500 in refunds. What an enormous fuck up, literally their biggest fans.
I bought the steelbook edition of Deus Ex Mankind Divided on PC.
The PC version shiped on 4 dvds. The steelbook only had enough space for 1 disc. I was piiiiissed. lol.
look i've been busting my fucking ass being a shenmue fan for 18 fucking years
I'm definitely going to keep an eye on projects to see what the impact is
"Fucking ass"? Was your wife involved? If so I think you might have legit cause for being upset (maybe).
I backed this near the start for a Ps4 digital copy, then upped my pledge later to nab a steam code in addition to that. Definitely considering asking for a refund on that steam copy pledge (assuming they're even offering refunds). I have no desire to support Epic.
Video game crowdfunding has been in decline for a while now. This probably won't have any impact on the already developing trend.
Just take a look at this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_crowdfunding_projects. It isn't up to date for 2019, but compare 2017/2018 to 2013/2014 and you'll see the bubble has burst. Crowdfunding has been, in my opinion, unfairly charactarized as sketchy by many in the gaming community.
I really feel for the backers behind this who are upset. I would be too. Clearly one thing was said, and then it changed without notice. At least that's my understanding. I have tried to keep an open mind about EGS, but I'm glad I listened and have withheld opening an account. I had no interest in purchasing Shenmue 3, but these types of issues need to be addressed.
That I am aware of but I am also sure that you are aware that they do in fact make physical PC version of games on behalf of MS aka Xbox Game Studios
Oh! Is that true? I don't know why Microsoft would have THQ Nordic handle their physical PC game distribution, historically Microsoft has handled that themselves.
Do you have a link that explains what you are talking about further? This is genuinely news to me.
Are we going to get a refund?
Please include my $500 pledge.
A game I cannot name has bucked the recent trends; but yeah in general people's faith in Kickstarter for games has fallen by the wayside already and Epic's interference is going to further sour the well. Some might think this comment is hyperbolic but look at the Kickstarter comments page for the EGS announcement if you haven't already which is locked to backers. Almost universal backlash and the comments keep coming in.
This was my first and most hopeful Kickstarter and of all the things I had to expect, not finishing the game was the worst I could think of - until TODAY! GOD, I AM SO FURIOUS. I hope I can do a charge back.
They aren't trying to appeal to the people already on their platform. They are betting on enough people eventually giving up their stance as they keep buying exclusives that people want, as us gamers are historically great at skipping games to stand up for something.
Feck, there are people immediately forgiving THQ after they supported a child porn site, because they're going to make a game they want. If they can forgive a company for signal-boosting a child porn websites, I'm sure it's even easier to forgive Epic for actively trying to become the actual monopoly on PC.
I have read them. As a big Shenmue fan, today has been pretty depressing. People are upset and have reason to be. I think YsNet should allow backers to opt-in to a Steam key regardless of any deal they made with Epic. I would say that I don't think this news has poisoned the well for all the PC backers. This is anectodal, but I've backed for a PC copy and I'm not really angry about getting my key through EGS. I'm more bothered by the PR nightmare they've walked into. It's the last thing a niche series like this needs.
To the mods: You misinterpreted this post, it's not an attack. Both users are joking and the post is referencing the recent Collider situation as well as some posts earlier in this thread. Krejlooc backed the game for $500 and he's very upset at this news, he has no reason to be hostile towards that user. Both posts are jokes so there's no hostility there.
I think I'd be more upset about the loss of Steam as a release platform if so many of the big features that Steam offers to games were guaranteed to exist in the theoretical Steam version. I am old and tired and most of my gaming has been smaller $15 or less titles usually by indie studios and other such experimental titles. Rarely if ever do these releases take advantage of any of the special features that sets Steam apart, because, again, they are opt-in features and not required for publishing on the platform, nor are they all immediately provided to a game on the platform as a result of release.
(I'm not really sure how to fix that, either. I don't think there's a way to guarantee that a game's save data makes it to the steam cloud, for example; I have no idea how you'd guarantee something like that without adding burdensome release procedures.)
This is ultimately the reason why even on a release like this the most I can muster is a "that's pretty fucked up that you won't accept refunds". I think Phoenix Point eventually came out with a decent answer to fan demands -- not great because it took them too long to openly support delayed Steam key releases, but I think at least the fig backers made out OK from the Epic bribe since some of it went back to them.
That said I definitely agree with the people frustrated that relying on the EGS for money means that there's no Linux support, since that does seem to be something that Steam basically guarantees on release due to how Proton works. It's probably the most frustrating feature missing, especially since from the sounds of it even Epic could be taking advantage of the proton libraries to deploy their stuff on Steam (I must confess I've been out of the Linux-on-home-computer game for a while so I am still trying to understand exactly how Proton relates to the Steam environment).
(I'm not really sure how to fix that, either. I don't think there's a way to guarantee that a game's save data makes it to the steam cloud, for example; I have no idea how you'd guarantee something like that without adding burdensome release procedures.)
This is ultimately the reason why even on a release like this the most I can muster is a "that's pretty fucked up that you won't accept refunds". I think Phoenix Point eventually came out with a decent answer to fan demands -- not great because it took them too long to openly support delayed Steam key releases, but I think at least the fig backers made out OK from the Epic bribe since some of it went back to them.
That said I definitely agree with the people frustrated that relying on the EGS for money means that there's no Linux support, since that does seem to be something that Steam basically guarantees on release due to how Proton works. It's probably the most frustrating feature missing, especially since from the sounds of it even Epic could be taking advantage of the proton libraries to deploy their stuff on Steam (I must confess I've been out of the Linux-on-home-computer game for a while so I am still trying to understand exactly how Proton relates to the Steam environment).
You cannot do a charge back. People should stop floating this idea. The limit is 120 days. It's 3 1/2 years too late.
He was joking in that post. Tense thread, I think it was taken seriously, but he was joking.
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