Nah fuck that. Shenmue 3 might as well not exist for me now.
This shit will keep happening until people stop buying their stuff.
The ones "destroying" the series are those who decided ta sell out their biggest most dedicated fans and backers. US Shenmue fans already went through this nonsense back with Shenmue 2. This reopening old wounds an certainly not a better the second time around. They're also "destroying" the series by not making the game widely available in as many storefronts as possible an instead making it exclusive to one of the smallest ones. Exactly none of this is on the fans who backed this game well beyond muitiple goals.Ok. This is a sad day for gamers and and shenmue. First I want to say that I think it's wrong for fans who waited for 20years to let this destroy their own series they waited forever for. It's not like the game was cancel, I do agree that it was wronged that it switch from steam to epic but I'm tired of gamers picking up pitchforks and changing tone 1 sec.
I believe he either wasn't involved in this decisions, or was, and as such complicit. Its his baby, his project, an if he didn't do his due diligence (or signed the rights away to Deep Silver to make such decisions) then he's far from blameless.I do belive that you Suzuki was prob tricked into going into epic and prob didn't see the difference from the two so I bet he is confused wit the outcry. To him he prob didn't think he tricked users just that epic store wasn't better, it was prob deep silver that's the one to blame. But hey if we don't get shenmue 4 now I hope the fans are happy when this dies down
The troll posts in this thread are embarrassing. We get it, not everyone cares about Shenmue. Some of us do and have been waiting 18 years for this game. I don't go into threads for games I'm not interested in to rain on the parade.
I'm happy to hear this just because it means Yu Suzuki and the devs got a nice payment from Epic.
OK...does that mean that I can stick with or would I be forced to get EGS because I was stupid enough to be a backer? What a shitshow
It's just nothing. The game is out in a couple months and it looks blah.I went to go see the trailer because of this post. What's so bad about it? Are people expecting a AAA Yakuza title here somehow? It's the same bad kung-fu-dub Shenmue we know and love, and the visuals look great for what is essentially a B-title with a low budget. Honestly, this is why B-tier gaming has gone extinct. Anything touching a 7/10 or lesser than Last of Us fidelity feels like a death sentence.
omao. I backed Shenmue 3 for $1,500 and have spent the last few years trying to stay positive. So far, the game looks bad to middling depending on the trailer. I shouldn't even say game since they've yet to show gameplay. I thought the last trailer was decent, but whatever they showed today just embarrassed me. I don't need to say all this to defend myself, but I'd like to because I'm really not trying to be shallow or negative. It's no exaggeration when I say Shenmue 3 is the game I've waited for nearly my entire life.Yep gamers have become shallow and expect everything to look like last of us games or dare I say Anthem. Because graphics equal good gameplay
I believe he either wasn't involved in this decisions, or was, and as such complicit. Its his baby, his project, an if he didn't do his due diligence (or signed the rights away to Deep Silver to make such decisions) then he's far from blameless.
I feel so bad for fans of the series right now. Hope all the things get settled. This is on par with MGSV levels of disappointment.
As someone who does not play games on pc, can someone elaborate on why it's bad that it changes store? Do you have to pay a fee to get in to epic store or what? Isn't it just like shopping groceries at different supermarkets?
Firstly, understand that when people talk about steam, and the epic game store, they're actually talking about two different things at the exact same time. It's confusing to people who don't intimately understand technology, but these things, launchers are some call them, are a combination of store front, and technology suite. I'm sure you've heard of things like OpenGL or DirectX, those are technologies that help make games, specifically those technologies are middlewares that drive graphics cards. They make up a standard language so a game developer can target a "virtual" openGL or directX card, and the people behind OpenGL and DirectX (Khronos and Microsoft) then take care of making their "virtual" card work with physical cards. So from the perspective of a developer, you write for one "virtual" card, and the makers of that "virtual" card spend lots of money making it work with lots of real, physical cards. This is called interfacing.
Steam, the client, has a store bundled with it, but it is also a suite of tools. Steam, the client, can be thought of like DirectX, it does lots and lots of things beyond merely selling you the game. For example, there is this thing called Steam Proton which is an automatic translation layer for linux. With steam proton, you can run any windows game in linux, something thought absolutely impossible years ago. Steam is brimming with technologies like this, like Steam Input, which is how things like Dual Shock Controllers work.
You don't have to buy from Steam, the store, to use Steam, the client's tools. When you buy a game from, like, amazon, the sale goes entirely through amazon, and valve doesn't take 30% because they didn't actually facilitate the sale. But when you buy that game from amazon, or target.com, or where ever, they give you a special "installer" that you can pop into the steam client, and it'll use all the steam client features.
The Epic Games Store is, like the steam client, both a store and a suite of tools. But as a suite of tools, it's anemic. Not a fraction of what steam, the client, does. But worse than that, Epic is relying on people's confusion and inability to understand the difference between a store front and a suite of tools to muddy the picture. Were, for example, Epic Game Store just selling Steam Client installers, like Uplay does, nobody would have a fucking problem at all. But they don't. Instead, when something is "epic store exclusive," that means epic paid to both keep the game off of Valve's technology suite, AND keep it off of every other store besides their own. When something uses steam's technology, they are NOT exclusive to steam, the store. But people who don't know the difference think everything using steam's technology is the same as being exclusive to steam, the store.
By making things exclusive to epic games store, not only are they limiting the number of places where a buyer can purchase from (which has the demonstrable effect of raising game prices), it also cuts features from certain games by keeping them from using steam technologies.
In short, when things go "Epic games store" exclusive, they are limiting the places one can buy from, limiting the feature set of said, usually raising the price of said game, for absolutely no benefit to the consumer at all.
And, as an indie developer, Epic itself creates this division between games it allows onto the store, and games it does not. For games that are not allowed onto the store, it creates an unfair stigma, like those games are somehow lesser games, that actually hurts bottom lines. I don't want to use a specific example by name, because the specific dev got harassed when they made this known, but there was a well known, well reviewed game on steam that got denied a spot on epic game store, and after it got denied, the narrative on twitter turned into "something must clearly be wrong with the game if it got denied a spot on the store" and their sales actually slumped. One of the best features of steam, the store, from the perspective of small developers, is that it puts everyone on equal footing. A dude in bedroom can make a game and it's sold right alongside games made by 1000 person studios with million dollar budgets as though they were equals. EGS creates a division of haves vs have nots that hurt small developers.
EGS is bad for PC gaming all around.
Gameplay will be on GameStop WednesdayIt's just nothing. The game is out in a couple months and it looks blah.
omao. I backed Shenmue 3 for $1,500 and have spent the last few years trying to stay positive. So far, the game looks bad to middling depending on the trailer. I shouldn't even say game since they've yet to show gameplay. I thought the last trailer was decent, but whatever they showed today just embarrassed me. I don't need to say all this to defend myself, but I'd like to because I'm really not trying to be shallow or negative. It's no exaggeration when I say Shenmue 3 is the game I've waited for nearly my entire life.
I'm starting to wish Yu Suzuki has just lowered his ambition and focused on a great story and scenarios instead of attempting another open world game.
My faith in Yu Suzuki is the only thing that's carried me for four years, but I fear he's surrounded by people who don't have his best interests in mind and that he couldn't afford the talent to make a proper Shenmue 3. I hope I'm wrong.
This news definitely isn't going to help things.
Fuck them. Either give me what I ordered or refund me. For fuck's sake.Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
Oh yeah, that's by far the reason why people are so angry.
everything Epic does is screaming " we are going to muscle our way into forcing you to give us 15 to 20% of your PC gaming money, and there's nothing you can do about it except stop gaming all together." But they won't shut up about how awesome they are. It's completely obvious, and the way they try to spin it is just insulting and shows how little respect they have for the prospective customers. Especially since they pretty much told PC Gamers "You're not worth it" a while back, talking about various problems that several storefronts and companies, particularly valve, have worked passionately to resolve. they are The Losers of yesteryear now performing a Shakedown acting like they are hot shit
Yep, though DeepSilver was not involved during the Kickstarter when I backed it.Weeks before Metro: Exodus, it became an EGS exclusive. The publisher is also Deep Silver. At least it is not just announced at the very last min.
Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
"We're releasing it on EGS and if you don't like that, then... go fuck yourself?"Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
People were just waiting for releaseNot to say that it's not justified, but the fact this is the biggest Shenmue 3 thread at the time of the final E3 before it finally releases is so sad.
Yeah guess i'm gonna change into PS4 and keep it that way.Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
It takes effort to be this bad at PR....were I there, I'd offer every backer a choice.Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
But I'm just trying to figure out what exactly were you expecting?It's just nothing. The game is out in a couple months and it looks blah, with
omao. I backed Shenmue 3 for $1,500 and have spent the last few years trying to stay positive. So far, the game looks bad to middling depending on the trailer. I shouldn't even say game since they've yet to show gameplay. I thought the last trailer was decent, but whatever they showed today just embarrassed me. I don't need to say all this to defend myself, but I'd like to because I'm really not trying to be shallow or negative. It's no exaggeration when I say Shenmue 3 is the game I've waited for nearly my entire life.
Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
Honestly disgusted that I backed this game right now. Yu Suzuki is a scam artist who doesn't give a shit about his fans; all he cares about is getting that sweet Epic money.
I'm expecting them to show gameplay, for one. The game is a few months away from release. So far they've released trailers showcasing really goofy looking NPCs interacting with a poorly animated Ryo, who still doesn't look quite right, in what looks like one slice of town. It's taken them four years to even get the game's main character looking kind of, sort of like the actual character. That's insane! I know there's a hands on demo this week, so I'll keep my negativity down until I start hearing some legitimate impressions.But I'm just trying to figure out what exactly were you expecting?
Cutting edge visuals, like what they accomplished for the time in the DC days?
That simply isn't happening, not on that budget, no matter how much you personally financed (unless it was closer to $40-60 million, which is the average budget of the higher end graphical games). It looks far and away better than anything I expected for the amount of money they raised. I would have taken repurposed DC assets honestly, but this is better than I could have imagined.
Cutting-edge animation and cinematics?
Again, read the above. We're spoiled today because story-based games like Last of Us 2, Horizon and Detroit feed us some of the most emotional digital faces, visuals and acting gaming can offer. But the reality is that there are literally small armies of people that tackle nuance and fidelity of that level for modern gaming. What Shenmue could do before on a blank-check budget simply isn't possible today. What they can muster with mo-cap and keyframe animation today is already a great feat on their current budget. Things like facial animation is likely going in now as some of the final steps.
Epic crazy story sneek-peak?
95% of the day-to-day story segments in Shenmue games are exactly like what that trailer presented. Chit chat with everyday locals, learning from humdrum masters, run-ins with low-key thugs. This is the shit I love about the original games, and that's exactly what they showed us. The epic stuff is there, but that was never the appeal of the series for me. The beauty is in the mundane, sometimes awkward martial arts adventure of Ryo Hazuki in the fight to avenge his dad.
I didn't mean to go on so long to your post but any long time fan of Shenmue should honestly feel relieved that they seemingly didn't skip a beat with the original tone and vibe of the original games and did what they could with modern technology and tools on their shoe string budget. What exactly did you want?
Surely this counts as false advertising if they promised Steam keys?Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
Wow, wouldn't it have been easier to just type out, "Hey, FUCK YOU!"?Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
Because Epic is out for blood, and the developers who take these deals care more about Epic's money than they do about people who initially backed their project.I don't see why these deals don't just give backers Steam keys while doing the normal release on EGS..