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Shenmue III is timed exclusive to Epic Games Store, backers PC code redeemed on EGS & no refund (See Threadmark) [READ STAFF POSTS BEFORE POSTING]
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Yu Suzuki was the one asking for money. If you're asking for money then you better deliver what you promised.
Are you seriously trying to say that Yu Suzuki has nothing to do with YsNet? How is that even possible?
Gotta say, this is another awful look for Shenmue III and the last thing the game needs for publicity. I remember back when the kickstarter was going on and there was the controversy over sony's questioned involvement with the project. Fuck this Epic Games Store nonsense. Add my voice to all the other backers that are disappointed.
They are being paid to down grade the platform the game is being sold on.
It like going on holiday package advertised as a 5 star hotel but being told your now staying in a 1 star hotel but hay your still getting the holiday and no refunds.
That's understandable, but Ys-net doesn't have the luxury or money to put out polished vertical slices of game to showcase. There's likely global tuning, bug squashing and polish occurring simultaneously across the entire length of the game, with all sections likely in various states of completion. Again, we're spoiled here in the sense that almost all major game releases get multiple gameplay demos and trailers throughout the life of their marketing leading up to launch. But these vertical slice demos again, take small armies to "complete" and show off. That's just something a studio stretching every penny on a game of this scale can't afford. Even for a low-budget game like this, it takes a long ass time to make. 4 years is long to us gamers, but the average (low end) production time for devs.
Were they to show you direct feed gameplay before this moment, it would likely be nitpicked to death by the eagle eyed "fans" on forums like these for not living up to the polished retail copies of Shenmue 1 and 2. I'd rather they not bow to the pressure of putting out work too early only to get shit on by fans for an incomplete game looking... well, incomplete.
We know what the gameplay is. Brawling. Talking. Walking. Looking. There's no need to fall into despair, and no grand mystery of what a Shenmue title today will play like. Be reasonable, and stop holding Shenmue 3 to the standards that only AAA studios with massive teams and budgets can afford.
Got a response from my Kickstarter message, skimmed the last few pages and didn't see it:
I can't tell if they poked the bear or this will blow over due to E3.
Too much time has elapsed for people to be able to charge back.
YsNet is the developer. Do developers typically make these types of deals?
I wonder how people will look back at Sony "winning" E3 2015 now. The Last Gaudian was quickly forgotten. Shenmue II sounds like a disaster. FF7...?
Yes.
This game only exists because of us, the fans.
And to suddenly turn on your heel and spit in the face of people that made this game possible is flat out disgusting.
Is there anyone here on Era working for the media willing to cover this?
To refuse people a refund on an as yet unfinished product must be breaking some sort of law, surely?
People would be mad if they asked a GOG key and got a steam one instead
Did I say that? You seriously think solely labelling Yu Suzuki a "scam artist" is remotely true or appropriate?
So the gaming media has been eviscerating Shenmue III for literally years about "not being upfront" with additional funding, but once it has come out that Epic has evidentally paid at the 11th hour to remove the game from the most popular storefront in the market, they start pussyfooting around with "nobody knows how many are angry in the first place"?/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/16331091/Screen_Shot_2019_06_10_at_12.24.02_PM.png)
Some Shenmue 3 Kickstarter backers want refunds because it’s an Epic Games Store exclusive
Shenmue 3 developers previously promised Steam keys.www.theverge.com
Fucking double standard.
I don't game on PC much these days but, people would rather not play the game because it's not on steam? What's the difference with that and EGS?
Tin Sweeney said that the goal of Epic Store was to "advance the cause of all developers".
He wouldn't have forced a developer into this kind of deal against their will, would he?
Lol. He has everything to do with it. When you open a kickstarter you should accept that your duty is first and foremost to your backers before you do any and all additional deals.
Or I guess you don't give a fuck and take all the money and say screw you backers. Thanks dumbasses for funding me towards better deals xD. Tbf that is entirely possible and there won't be repercussion beyond less people funding a sequel which might not even be needed with that nice epic money.
I mean it wouldn't be a 37 page thread but yeah they'd be a bit salty about it yeah
How is this possible when many steam games are sold on other services/launchers. This implies the opposite problem where if you build a game for the Steam storefront, it's a massive pain for devs to deploy on other platforms due to removing Steam tech.
No, sorry. The post says both parties (Ys and DS) came to this decision together. Fuck em both.
I kickstarted Shenmue III to the tune of $500 and I absolutely refuse to play this game if it remains EGS exclusive, yes.
Going by that response letter it seems entirely appropriate.
I'm sure he made a deal with Deep Silver, who's already done this with other games. I just don't think there's much story beyond that.
Step 1: Start a kickstarter for a 3rd game in a beloved franchise, talk about how it'll be a game funded by the fans, made for the fans, first and foremost, on Steam.
Step 2: Get all the funding you need from fans who want a new Shenmue 3 on Steam and PS4.
Step 3: Take $$$ from Epic in exchange for going back on your promises to fans. Cancel the steam release, tell the fans they don't get a refund.
That's theft by swindling.
Step 2: Get all the funding you need from fans who want a new Shenmue 3 on Steam and PS4.
Step 3: Take $$$ from Epic in exchange for going back on your promises to fans. Cancel the steam release, tell the fans they don't get a refund.
That's theft by swindling.
It's not implied, that is literally what happens. You see this with GoG galaxy releases, too.
It's not double standard, many of these guys are partnered to promote EGS. I saw it at kinda funny games where they were open about it. I would't be surprised if they werent the only ones. Kind of disgusting honestly
I went to the bottom of their support page and there's a report button.
I'm going through the comments and people are sending reports of fraud.
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Sucks, but lol at reactions like this.
I've had no reason to install EGS before now, but fuck it... It's just a launcher for a single player game. I understand they sort of promised Steam, but is it really that big a deal?
There's one way to make it not true, let's see if they do that.
Isn't this a Deep Silver decision? Deep Silver is the publisher, they made this scam. Sure, if Yu Suzuki signed a contract that allowed Deep Silver to do this shit, it's his fault, but that doesn't make him a scammer, he just fucked up.
It's possible Yu Suzuki wanted this exclusivity, but I doubt it.
I imagine he signed off on it, but I doubt he (or any of the dev team) is up to date on the nuances of egs vs steam
The response posted a few pages ago reads like "what's the problem, it's just a storefront?" They have no idea, and the publisher (who does have an idea) dgaf
all the ps4 players sweatin that shenmue is a trilogy. you definitely ain't get another one after this.
Yes it is.
Better stop with this just another launcher thing too.
YSnet is saying this decision was made by them alongside Deep Silver so...
The damage is clearly done. I don't think they can do anything to calm the masses. Really unfortunate. It fucking sucks as a very hardcore Shenmue fan and admirer of the developer. I'm distressed to be honest. :(
Ys Net ran the Kickstarter, and Yu Suzuki had his name all over it. He's the one that has the ultimate responsiblity to backers.
I understand the EGS hatred, and I agree with it too. But I don't really get how a Shenmue fan would, at the end of the day, give up the opportunity to play the game just because of this. I would've played it on the Ouya if that had been where it was.
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