Most people don't act like a game is some kind of holy grail although people are getting dangerously close with Bloodborne. So, no, preferably not.
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Shenmue Is A Masterpiece And You're An Insult To Gamers! (Commentocracy) - Jim Sterling
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Most people don't act like a game is some kind of holy grail although people are getting dangerously close with Bloodborne. So, no, preferably not.
Not playing Shenmue in Shenmue was the most enjoyable thing about Shenmue. I wasted a fuckton of time playing at the You Arcade, playing slots doing random shit. I took me forever to play through it. It was a decent game and as close to a sandbox as we could get to in that time.
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The new level of trolling: The Lazy troll
I see it all the time with Souls,Zelda,ND games,Mario,Witcher 3..etc
Heck Jim got crucified way way worse for giving Zelda a 7/10 where he hardly "trolled" the game. That should give you a good idea on other games' fanbases too. Check any game with a high metacritic score and go see the comments on the reviews that gave it a low score. It will be filled with hate. Nothing really all that different. The idea that certain fanbases are "better" is quite hilarious.
Edit : If a game is praised by its fans , maybe people should try to see what makes it so special to them instead of just bringing it down to " haha you are deluded , my game is actually the best ". Shenmue as a game is very unique , maybe why there is still such a big passionate fanbase for it 20 years later. There really isn't a lot of other games to get that same experience , people keep saying Yakuza but its nothing similar.
Edit 2 : Looks like someone made a thread exactly for this lmao
https://www.resetera.com/threads/worst-8-8-controversies-youve-seen.67297/
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Fantastic post! I can understand not liking and even outright hating the game (I have a few friends that cannot stand it), but the amount of people that go out of their way to inform others about how the fans are wrong is just completely bizarre.
I hate that the Soulsborne games have become the defacto games used by elitist pricks in order to manspread their elite skillz into the masses. I really hate that. Its always those games when trying to show what "real gamer" difficulty or some shit should be.
I've been following Jim since 2008 when he was at Destructoid and I'm still a fan of him. At Destructoid he'd post news stories about Bobby Kotick with gay porn as the header image, write long editorials taking the absolute piss out of something, write reviews for AAA games and sometimes give them (deservingly) lower scores than the mainstream press.
People say he's a troll, but he's not a troll because he genuinely believes in his output and is the reason why I've liked him for so long as he plainly does not give a fuck and gives his opinion regardless.
Back to Shenmue, don't know where this outrage was when Giant Bomb did the Shenmue endurance run because they said it was a shite game too, and is why I believe Jim is right to say it's a shite game, because it is a shite game. Even in his video he gave props to the intention behind it but come the fuck on guys, it's shite.
Back to Commentocracy, while I still preferred Jim's output on Destructoid than the stuff he does now (although he's really rectified some of the genuinely problematic opinions he had around the late 2000's), him dressing up as an 1800's aristocrat to troll rabid fandoms and "gamers" is something I can really get behind.
The man doesn't give a shit and likes to have a laugh and wind people up when it's deserved.
Maybe it's a British thing....
People say he's a troll, but he's not a troll because he genuinely believes in his output and is the reason why I've liked him for so long as he plainly does not give a fuck and gives his opinion regardless.
Back to Shenmue, don't know where this outrage was when Giant Bomb did the Shenmue endurance run because they said it was a shite game too, and is why I believe Jim is right to say it's a shite game, because it is a shite game. Even in his video he gave props to the intention behind it but come the fuck on guys, it's shite.
Back to Commentocracy, while I still preferred Jim's output on Destructoid than the stuff he does now (although he's really rectified some of the genuinely problematic opinions he had around the late 2000's), him dressing up as an 1800's aristocrat to troll rabid fandoms and "gamers" is something I can really get behind.
The man doesn't give a shit and likes to have a laugh and wind people up when it's deserved.
Maybe it's a British thing....
My friend, by writing how Shenmue is a 'shite' game you sound like a troll yourself ! It is quite clearly not a shite game, there are many fans of the game. Yes it has its flaws but it was rightly lauded at the time.
Besides, didn't Jim give it an 8/10?
both your opinions are shite. because the game is good.
It's fine not liking things and have shite taste, like playing pokemon go and calling shite on og GB game for some reason.
I hate to be that guy, but that is much more of a 18th century aristocrate than someone from the 16th century.
If you took all the components that make up the Shenmue experience and translate it to a film would still get torn apart by critics for basically the same reasons. There's a reason filmmakers learned to pace and edit things in a way that cuts out/abstracts mundane routine activities unless it's of immediate relevance to the plot.
Nah he has a patreon. So no monetisation on the YouTubes
Edit: I understand your pain, Shenmue fans, one of my favourite games is Shadow of Memories and it hurts me when others can't see its greatness
Some fans are stupid to react like that and they are just asking for this. I love Shenmue franchise a lot but I'm ok if some don't like or even hate it. I still think the first one at least has to be considered as a masterpiece just for everything new this game tried to accomplish with it being one of the most ambitious gaming project of all time so I probably won't watch the first video but even if I disagree on some points it's not a reason to have such crazy reactions.
Now I can agree with some posters that it's not making things going forward just to point out others' stupidity. He made a Shenmue video, some people made dumb comments... if any of the two sides would be smart enough to let it go.
This said, I like Jim a lot too and even if I didn't listen to the Shenmue video (for obvious reasons) I'm going to watch this one and will probably have a very good laugh :D
Now I can agree with some posters that it's not making things going forward just to point out others' stupidity. He made a Shenmue video, some people made dumb comments... if any of the two sides would be smart enough to let it go.
This said, I like Jim a lot too and even if I didn't listen to the Shenmue video (for obvious reasons) I'm going to watch this one and will probably have a very good laugh :D
Shadow of Memories deserves a Onimusha/REmake remaster... but oh well, Konami. There is always other cool little games in the veins out there, like NDS's Time Hollow,
Does that mean that if a game has any fans at all, it can't be shite?
Yes, because that's the lowest possible score available to him. :P
Holy shit, and I thought people were kidding about the salt. :S
What is it about Youtubers that makes people flip out like this, especially a rare one like Jim who isn't actually racist / sexist / homophobic? Is it just envy of their success?
He was spot on about Shenmen: That game was boring and unfished; Shenmue II was a different story and a masterpiece.. more given the time it was made, that it was made by a Japanese studio (even now not the best at open world games) and the system it was made on. But I have no issues with any reviewer bashing a game I like, when they take the time to play the game in question.. Which tbf to Jim, he always does
Funny video, I really don't think he's pathetic or sinking to the commenter's level when he made his own video showing why he doesn't like the game. He showed why he didn't like it and then the rabid fanboys showed up, he thinks the fanboys comments are funny in this context and makes a video. I don't really see how his behaviour is childish in this video. The comments he got WERE idiotic and overblown, nd worthy to make fun of.
I presume it's because it's mainly kids who watch youtube? or at least the younger gamers.
I love watching y'all cry about Jim.
I don't even watch his content, y'all just some hating ass niggas on this forum.
I don't even watch his content, y'all just some hating ass niggas on this forum.
That's highly debatable, but assuming it was true, so? I fail to see the connection. You don't see people shitting on entertainers aimed at younger audiences with the passion Youtubers elicit. You don't see people calling the people working at Disney channel "absolute scumsuckers", "pathetic human beings" or "revolting".
The original Shenmue was pretty bland even back then. They nailed the graphics, the atmosphere of a small Japanese town and the side-distractions but the actual day-to-day stuff was not pretty good. Shenmue 2's crate moving with its near-constant megi-da/hidari-da QTE's drove me nuts but even i have to admit its much more fun than the forklift stuff in Shenmue. Plus Shenmue 2's option to speed-up the waiting time was an absolute godsend and something that original should've had.
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Here's the deal with Shenmue:
It's got some major QOL issues. For as much as it was ahead of its time, it has some glaring flaws which make it a pain in the ass to play.
It's obnoxious to its fans to hear people seemingly harp only on those issues and ignore the brilliance that's staring them in the face. Like, this game came out 20 years ago. It was fucking unreal at the time.
On the other hand, it's janky as fuck and pretending there's nothing to complain about is also obnoxious. The voice acting is terrible (in a way I actually like), some of the scenarios are dumb and the protagonist has the personality of a cardboard box.
They're still some of my favorite games of all time.
It's got some major QOL issues. For as much as it was ahead of its time, it has some glaring flaws which make it a pain in the ass to play.
It's obnoxious to its fans to hear people seemingly harp only on those issues and ignore the brilliance that's staring them in the face. Like, this game came out 20 years ago. It was fucking unreal at the time.
On the other hand, it's janky as fuck and pretending there's nothing to complain about is also obnoxious. The voice acting is terrible (in a way I actually like), some of the scenarios are dumb and the protagonist has the personality of a cardboard box.
They're still some of my favorite games of all time.
We've reached the point on Era where the anti-sterling posts are more vitriolic and insane than anything I've seen from Jim in the last decade, feels like we're mere steps away for a few posters clamouring for his demise.
The fever pitch, reached over a niche Sega title full of incredibly divisive design ideas in a hap hazard remastering.
The fever pitch, reached over a niche Sega title full of incredibly divisive design ideas in a hap hazard remastering.
This thread is just amazing, he's not the pathetic one here lol
He's not a troll......he's just a man who dresses up to troll fandoms.
Not stating my opinion on shenmue here, but there being many fans of a thing isn't an argument that it isn't shite.
Case in point: Sonic adventure.
But SA isn't shit. It's an early 3D platformer which tried alot of different things. At worst its pretty average, but I'd say above average simply because it tried. Why do so many peeps default to games either being GOAT or SHIT anyway? Its almost always one extreme end of the spectrum or the other.
edit: and ta call SA shit on Dreamcast Day is super cold-blooded lol
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It wasn't really early. It was like, 2.5 years after mario 64.
Besides, if it didn't have Sonic in it, it'd be in the trash pile forgotten with a bunch of other bad 3D platformers of that era like, I dunno, Gex. Frankly, calling Sonic adventure average is just pointing out how low the bar was for 3D platformers not made by Nintendo at the time. Even on the dreamcast, Rayman 2 was leagues ahead of Sonic adventure.
The only benefit to sonic adventure is seeing how low the metascore can go with each rerelease, it got so close to being lower than Sonic 06 on 360, they'll break that floor eventually.
I just don't get the frothing meltdown over someone not liking some piece of media you were into. It's a 20-year-old electronic toy on a dead console but to some of these peope, you'd think Sterlnig slapped their mom.
Here's the thing you can like 'bad' things. I like plenty of media that was critically panned or is cheesy or dated or what have you. If other people don't like it I don't care its not a big deal.
Here's the thing you can like 'bad' things. I like plenty of media that was critically panned or is cheesy or dated or what have you. If other people don't like it I don't care its not a big deal.
Indeed, but you misinterpreted what I wrote. Let me try again.
Calling Shenmue 'shite' is akin to trolling. Why? The game was lauded at the time, has a massive cult following and appeared in several game of the year lists at the time. To call it shite is just asking for trouble / attention.
Anyway, not a big deal. Personally I love Shenmue - but I also agree with the criticism now. At the time though? It was incredible.
I don't get how he could hate Shenmue 1 and 2 when he loves Deadly Premonition, which is basically Shenmue except with the worst combat sequences in the entire horror genre. Almost like this guy goes with whatever angle will shock people at the given time and place.
I'm sure it's possible to love one and hate the other when it comes to these games, but... I just find it unlikely. They're on such a similar wavelength.
I'm sure it's possible to love one and hate the other when it comes to these games, but... I just find it unlikely. They're on such a similar wavelength.