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Shenmue Is The Waterworld Of Videogames (The Jimquisition)

♡♪!?

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Jim's motivation for this video has gotta be the outsized treatment Shenmue 3 got at the announcement. Enthusiasts were literally saying Sony "won the generation" and other extremely hyperbolic statements on a game announcement for a sequel to a game that most people reacting never played. The reaction to Shenmue 3 announcement was a gaming moment I had pretty much only seen a handful of times in this community, FF coming to Xbox and like GTAIV launch trailer.
I just don't see the harm of the 'outsized' hype. Shenmue 3 was never going to live up to that, but sometimes it's nice to be really excited about stuff that doesn't really matter. The game probably wouldn't have got made without that fever and it's a decent enough game and for that I'm grateful. And honestly considering how many set backs Yu Suzuki had to his career, seeing him get all that applause on massive stage was touching.
 

fireflame

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I just don't see the harm of the 'outsized' hype. Shenmue 3 was never going to live up to that, but sometimes it's nice to be really excited about stuff that doesn't really matter. The game probably wouldn't have got made without that fever and it's a decent enough game and for that I'm grateful. And honestly considering how many set backs Yu Suzuki had to his career, seeing him get all that applause on massive stage was touching.
But so much hype for an overrated game.... that needed crowfunding and didn't even fit modern standards of AAA.The fact the series is 20 years old doesn't excuse anything. There are many good adventure games with better standards. Plenty of old series have gotten good sequels.
 

ParsnipForest

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Why does he all of a sudden care how much money a game makes? Is he Yu Suzuki's accountant? Especially if the fans are happy with it? Oh wait, because he doesn't like it. That's all it comes down to.

Same predictable shit he's been over before but this time he played 5 minutes of Shenmue III so he could capitalise on its release.

Painting Yu Suzuki as delusional and money-hungry is just flat-out bullshit. He was ready to make an extremely scaled-back Shenmue III at $2M, Telltale-style, but then it tripled its goal on KS, so they aimed to make a smaller but proper Shenmue game. Then, when they got an actual publisher a couple years in (which wasn't guaranteed) they made the game bigger again accordingly. Sterling doesn't get how these things work, and how much games actually cost to develop, so you end up with mostly uninformed, regurgitated drivel.
 
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But so much hype for an overrated game.... that needed crowfunding and didn't even fit modern standards of AAA.The fact the series is 20 years old doesn't excuse anything. There are many good adventure games with better standards. Plenty of old series have gotten good sequels.
overrated according to you, not according to the game critics of 2000 and 2001. Shenmue 3 has fared ok in reviews as well, so another “according to you” on that front as well. We all have opinions, but these constant declarations about the series’ unimportance or agreed-upon lack of quality are getting ridiculous. A 71 Metacritic isn’t a smashing success by any stretch, but some of you are talking like the game completely bombed critically.
 

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But so much hype for an overrated game.... that needed crowfunding and didn't even fit modern standards of AAA.The fact the series is 20 years old doesn't excuse anything. There are many good adventure games with better standards. Plenty of old series have gotten good sequels.
It's not overatted, it's different opinions. It's a bit silly to want to rein people in for getting excited over it because they're not you.
 
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Big problem is those aren't really solid reasons for putting the game on blast on a weekly show which is usually about digging into the scummy side of the gaming industry. "I don't like Shenmue and neither does a buncha other people" feels really outta place now sitting alongside just about any other of his Jimquistion eps.
Well Shenmue 3 has been a hot topic for many, positive and negative, over the last few years, so it's not totally unexpected to see Jim cover this game.

To be fair, I think he went easy on it, with some of the stuff that happened, he could have ripped it to pieces but he didn't go down that route and was much fairer all things considered.
 

Shadoken

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Why does he all of a sudden care how much money a game makes? Is he Yu Suzuki's accountant? Especially if the fans are happy with it? Oh wait, because he doesn't like it. That's all it comes down to.
Yea the irony is hilarious. For a dude who makes money by primarily talking about how the Industry loves to milk its consumers. All of a sudden he is worried about how these companies are losing money by giving too much money to a developer.
 

Lothars

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overrated according to you, not according to the game critics of 2000 and 2001. Shenmue 3 has fared ok in reviews as well, so another “according to you” on that front as well. We all have opinions, but these constant declarations about the series’ unimportance or agreed-upon lack of quality are getting ridiculous. A 71 Metacritic isn’t a smashing success by any stretch, but some of you are talking like the game completely bombed critically.
One of the biggest issues was how Ys net treated backers, that is a failure. you can pretend that everything was peachy keen in the kickstarter but that doesn't make it accurate. They seemed to have made a pretty good game but they have utterly hurt any chances of crowdfunding in the future and who knows if we will ever get a shenmue IV but I know I won't be backing it if they crowdfunding because of how they treated backers.
 

NeoZeedeater

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So, Jim hated the first two games so much that decided to punish himself by playing the third game, one that was clearly positioned only for fans of the old games? He obviously holds some weird grudge against the series and its fans, and it's not a good look. Was he a kid when it came out and disappointed to get it as his sole birthday present or something?

Waterworld comparisons don't work well either because Shenmue clearly had an impact on game developers, as people have mentioned in the thread. Waterworld didn't really influence later movies much at all in terms of content.
 
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One of the biggest issues was how Ys net treated backers, that is a failure. you can pretend that everything was peachy keen in the kickstarter but that doesn't make it accurate. They seemed to have made a pretty good game but they have utterly hurt any chances of crowdfunding in the future and who knows if we will ever get a shenmue IV but I know I won't be backing it if they crowdfunding because of how they treated backers.
I agree, the kickstarter had its problems (and I am personally ok with the result) Jim has discussed that before, but this video seems more about stating the obvious that the series has always been a sales flop but its persistent fans have made it feel relevant (which is totally fine!) It's a really boring topic to convey IMO.
 

Shadoken

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But so much hype for an overrated game.... that needed crowfunding and didn't even fit modern standards of AAA.The fact the series is 20 years old doesn't excuse anything. There are many good adventure games with better standards. Plenty of old series have gotten good sequels.
So fans need to not get hype over a game they like ? Like whats wrong with that ?

Ok theres many other good adventure games too , nobody is saying they are bad or that they don't deserve hype.

Maybe if people like Jim should spend time and energy promoting or praising those games in his videos , Rather that shitting on an already niche franchise because the "fans got too hyped". But hey negativity gets more attention and you gotta keep those views up.

One of the biggest issues was how Ys net treated backers, that is a failure. you can pretend that everything was peachy keen in the kickstarter but that doesn't make it accurate. They seemed to have made a pretty good game but they have utterly hurt any chances of crowdfunding in the future and who knows if we will ever get a shenmue IV but I know I won't be backing it if they crowdfunding because of how they treated backers.
Ok but nobody is denying the KS issues here. It is strictly speaking about the game itself. Or in the case of this video , how the game isn't selling like a AAA game ( even though it doesn't really need to ) because it is supposedly of bad quality.
 
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ParsnipForest

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Yea the irony is hilarious. For a dude who makes money by primarily talking about how the Industry loves to milk its consumers. All of a sudden he is worried about how these companies are losing money by giving too much money to a developer.
It's so obvious it comes from a place of insecurity -- the whole "they like something I don't like so I'm going to shit on it" mentality.

I mean, he keeps going on about how the fanbase is SMALL, and TINY and that people like it...BUT NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE! It's like...OK dude, we get it. You like "quirky" games. You didn't like this one and for some reason you have a chip on your shoulder about it.
 

Burrman

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Man Jim is so annoying and makes the the gaming community even more toxic then it already is. This is coming from someone who thinks shenmue is a bad series.
 

Shadoken

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fucking garbage. shenmue is fine. fuck outta here with that unnecessary hate. why not just let people enjoy something?
"STOP Liking what I don't like"
"The thing you like isn't making enough money , not mainstream and is trash , so you should stop liking it"

Is Jim's video in a nutshell
 
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Resilient

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fucking garbage. shenmue is fine. fuck outta here with that unnecessary hate. why not just let people enjoy something?
something about "people having opinions!!!" but with Jim, it's purely about making money.
it's why he made 3 videos about the series in little over a year. it generates clicks and revenue, and people will defend his thinly veiled criticisms.

he's an absolute blight on the industry at this point.
 

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So fans need to not get hype over a game they like ? Like whats wrong with that ?



Ok but nobody is denying the KS issues here. It is strictly speaking about the game itself. Or in the case of this video , how the game isn't selling like a AAA game ( even though it doesn't really need to ) because it is supposedly of bad quality.
I feel like Shenmue 3 would have flopped financially even if it got 80+ on metacritic, and had better graphics or voice acting (which is still a million times better than the XBOX dub) The series is often slow and serialised, and 3 continues a story after 20 years, in the same area as 2, the sales aren't necessarily to do with how well made it is. The premise isn't easy to jump into for newcomers, but it's nice the next chapter was released nonetheles and didn't compromise by doing a new protagonist or time skip.
 

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Jim likes to get people riled up and at the same time he gets tons of views in controversial gaming topics.
He genuinely played Fist of the North Star Lost paradise for ps4 last year, he didn't knew anything about the anime or characters, and he loved it so much that he kept calling the game his game of the year. And that's funny because on Shenmue 3 you do the same activities that you do on Fist of the North Star:LP. You get jobs, you play minigames, visit the arcade, visit the casino, you train and you fight constantly. These are activities that you do on both games and on both games theyre so extremely fun, I know because I also loved Fist of the North Star, and I'm loving Shenmue 3 so much that I can't stop smiling at how good it actually is considering it's a game on a budget, looks far from it, each activity is so fun, and every moment and cutscene it's brimming with passion.
I think you just sold me on Shenmue.
 

Akileese

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But so much hype for an overrated game.... that needed crowfunding and didn't even fit modern standards of AAA.The fact the series is 20 years old doesn't excuse anything. There are many good adventure games with better standards. Plenty of old series have gotten good sequels.
Being good or overrated is subjective. Shenmue is a game that objectively plays very weird and borders on bad, but a lot of people, myself included, still love it. Shenmue 2 released 18 years ago in Japan and 17 years ago in the West. That's a huge wait for people who really wanted to see more of the story of Shenmue. There was an immediate burst of hype because of how much money it raised so quickly. I think it broke Kickstarter records at the time. The fact that a game people had waited so long for got made despite no major publisher wanting to take a crack at it is kind of amazing.

The last time I can recall a game going this long between sequels with a ton of incoming hype was Diablo II to Diablo III, and even that was only like 10 years. If there was another hyped saga game that came out on a 15 year long wait, please feel free to correct me but I can't think of any.
 

mael

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My point was that Deadly Premonition feels much more like Shenmue than... almost any other game that also exists. Ultima and Dragon Quest are still very different, and there are games that are far more similar to Ultima than Dragon Quest and games far more similar to Dragon Quest than Ultima.

But when I think about Deadly Premonition, I'm reminded of my wife mentioning that it seemed highly similar to my playthrough of Shenmue 2, and she's right. They share almost every single core gameplay element - from the schedules to the weather system to the QTEs to cumbersome controls to the puzzle/profiling hunts to quirky NPCs to giant open-world/city to the need to get money/sleep, etc. etc.

If you were to say "hey, I liked Deadly Premonition's game structure, what games are like it?" the first example that would jump out would be Shenmue. There are differences, of course (unless you think vehicle sections and forklifts are interchangeable), and the tone is different (DP interrupting its wacky daytime shenanigans with dissonant horror vibes), but in execution they're very close in execution.

That's sort of what I'm getting at. A lot of the things Jim has complained about that's in Shenmue are present in Deadly Premonition. A lot of the things he praised Deadly Premonition for are in Shenmue.
I totally get what you're saying.
Ultima and DQ aren't universes apart (especially if we're talking about the actual Ultima and Dragon Quest games as in U1 and DQ1).
It might as simple as Jim not getting Shenmue to click while DP with as absurd as it can be manages to.
I don't really like FFVII but I adore FFVI and I mean mechanically despite FFVII being pretty much the very evolution of VI.
It is surprising but it's not out there.
I think Suzuki wasting everyone's cash for over 10 years is probably the reason why he's less forgiving on Shenmue than one would expect.

Despite what it looks like here, I don't think that game was that unprofitable to make for anyone but Epic.
Deep Silver is probably the reason Epic nabbed the exclusive so part of the cost might be mitigated to them.
Sony got a nice bit of marketing at e3 out of it.
Heck even Epic got something out of it.
The fans got the game and Suzuki gets to continue a story 10 years in the making.
It might be one case where everyone won here regardless of the performance of the game in the market.
 

jaymzi

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Interesting to see the internet hatred for games like Shenmue 3 and Death Stranding and then on the flipside big praise for a game like Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order.
 

Caz

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Interesting to see the internet hatred for games like Shenmue 3 and Death Stranding and then on the flipside big praise for a game like Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order.
Interesting to see the internet hatred for Thing 1 and then on the flipside big praise for Thing 2.

Also: Hatred for Death Stranding? The game has good reviews is selling well and people generally like it in spite of some prominent and vocal critics of the game. Turn the persecution complex down, mate.
 

Champion

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Fan of Jim but never ever played Shenmue so cant speak for potential misinformation being spewed in the video

This video felt vindictive in spirit if not in it’s actual content. And usually his videos have a point to make, whether you disagree with him or not. This one doesn’t really, just basically him saying “I don’t like thing, I know some people do”.

Feels like he had nothing to talk about this week and had to make a video, I’m sure that happens sometimes and makes for a bit of a dilemma.

Definitely a misfire this one.
I agree with everything in this post. He could have done a Jimpressions vid for this but we all know that doesn't bring in the same amount of views.
 

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Interesting to see the internet hatred for games like Shenmue 3 and Death Stranding and then on the flipside big praise for a game like Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order.
I don't really think Shenmue 3 is hated, we've been going through a song and dance about the series for about 20 years. Even in 2000' people were wondering why the series had such a passionate set of fans even with the dodgy voices and hours of forklifts. Shenmue 3 won't be strangely iconic like that game but Shenmue having diverse responses is nothing new.

Of course the internet has changed the scale of opinions we see as well and reviews , in my opinion, now are a bit more honest because we had loads of dedicated magazines so scores were likely to get inflated, but I still believe Shenmue has been a game that splits the people who play it. (or not play it)
 

jaymzi

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Also: Hatred for Death Stranding? The game has good reviews is selling well and people generally like it in spite of some prominent and vocal critics of the game. Turn the persecution complex down, mate.
You must have your head in the sand if you don't see a massive hatred for Death Stranding going on. Yes a lot of people love it, but the amount against it is huge.
 

JahIthBer

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This meme again, Waterworld wasn't a flop, it made some profit, it just wasn't a blockbuster like Universal hoped, the biggest flop today would likely be Solo i think?

Anyway wouldn't Shenmue 3's crowd funding make it difficult to flop? the fans covered a chunk of the cost & overtime it's likely going to continue to sell due to the dedicated fanbase & word of mouth, but i would agree it came out too late, Shenmue 3 around like 2013 would have been massive, i remember around that time people starting getting nostalgic about it again.
 
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Huh ? What does saying Shenmue influenced him have to do with his bigotry ? GTA and Mario 64 probably influenced him too.
I only posted it because quite a few people in here suggested Shenmue, despite mountains of evidence, had no impact or influence on the industry. I was pleasantly surprised to see yet another major game designer/developer praise Shenmue and Yu Suzuki for influencing his career after I and others argued back and forth about this subject.

Not sure what they’re talking about, but I assume it’s nothing to do with Shenmue’s influence. Yu Suzuki and Shenmue certainly have nothing to do with racism or bigotry as far as I’m aware.
 
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Just saw this on my feed:


Another developer who didn’t get the memo that Shenmue was never influential.
Which Jim never say it wasn't in the video... At all, in fact he says the opposite like inspiring Yakuza and time based gameplay, you didn't watch the video did you and are just mad their is negative video for a game you like?
Why does he all of a sudden care how much money a game makes?
Pointing out that that over sending will not create a profit is not the same as discussing over monitization and manipulative tactics, like at all. He's praised games like Dark Souls, Hellbalde and Bloodstained for being able to make good games on moderate budgets and knowing your limitations, you're being deliberately disingenuous.

Seriously, this isn't a take that at fans, if you watch the video you would know that, this is the discussion of Shenmue's history as a product and it's issues in making profits. The same issues here are similar to those of Mighty Number Nine when it comes to crowd funding, it's a important discussion to have when trying to make crowd funded games with niche appeal and knowing your limitations.
 

Shadoken

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Seriously, this isn't a take that at fans, if you watch the video you would know that, this is the discussion of Shenmue's history as a product and it's issues in making profits. The same issues here are similar to those of Mighty Number Nine when it comes to crowd funding, it's a important discussion to have when trying to make crowd funded games with niche appeal and knowing your limitations.
Wouldn't we need to give it sometime to see if it truly flopped or not ? Sure opening at 20k Physical copies in Japan sounds bad. But at the same time this game also had 80k backers. The metrics for what seem like good sales are a little different.

The games budget is also nowhere near the budget of the older games. Heck just counting Day 1 figures alone , the game has made more profit than the original Shenmue which sold 1.2m on a $70m budget.

Jim makes it sound like the $7m crowd funded budget is some huge amount and then holds the game to AAA standards. But its nowhere near that. AAA games at the very least have at least a $50m in dev budget.
 

marcbret87

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I totally agree with him lol

I just had a conversation about this with a friend literally 3 days ago. I get it, it's niche but come on. It's like a Dreamcast game with a fresh paint of coat. And I originally backed this too.

I don't wish failure but expected this to be a lot more modern and that's not getting into how incomplete the story progression is even after this.
Out of curiosity, what were your expectations on the game? I mean, you say more modern, but how would that translate into the actual game? A faster pace?

IMO, I look at the originals and I think they're fairly unique in what they try to achieve, even if you could argue they're some sort of walking simulator+combat. There have surely been larger worlds, but I think the attention to detail and the sort of "slice-of-life" is still pretty unmatched, so as a backer I am happy they stuck to these strengths. But I'd like to know what people would change to make it more modern, as it sometimes seems just an expression to say they find the game boring.
 

marcbret87

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As someone who loved the original on Dreamcast and was thrilled when I finally got to play 2 localized on the xbox, I did not back or buy Shenmue 3. Why? Because even from the beginning I could see Shenmue 3 didn't appeal to me the way the first games did. I really feel like those originals were great in the way "you had to be there", because at the time the Shenmue games featured incredible feats for video games. I remember being blown away you could open drawers for goodness sake. Had Shenmue 3 not been a blast from the past and replicated the decades old games, it could've interested me so much more. It's funny Jim mentioned the Yakuza games, because for me they were my replacement for Shenmue. It totally sucks that Shenmue 3 seems to have bombed. I didn't realize the game leaves on another cliff hanger until watching this video either. That stings even more because who knows if the story will ever be completed.
I think the Yakuza vs Shenmue is a bit overdone. Clearly Yakuza followed Shenmue footsteps in many ways, but the tone and aims are completely different. Dunno, it'd be like comparing Dishonored with Doom because they're both played in the same perspective.

Tbh, I am not quite sure what else Shenmue could be. It's definitely true that the games had a "you had to be there" thing, as part of the revolutionary magic they had back in the day is now lost. Even then, I am not quite sure what a modern Shenmue would look like, as I can't think of many games that replicate what it's trying to do.
 

Bya

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Shenmue is meme nowadays. Terrible games, but man they're unintentionally funny. Oh, and quite racist too.
 

Kuma Bear

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I think there is some genuine concern. The third game seems to end on a cliffhanger, here was a chance to end the series and give closure but the opportunity was taken to drag out the franchise instead.

I also like the book comment from Jim because I would have much rather had a manga series. Its smaller in scope and probably going to cost less to develop. He could have had one manga volume per story chapter. It's not quite a game but Shenmue is no longer ground-breaking, it's a shell of its former self regardless.
 

Stygr

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I don't think a $12 million budget is particularly limited.
Shenmue III had a budget bigger than Greedfall and The Surge combined and higher than Vampyr.

Just to put things in propsective, and KCD only costed 3 million more, and the latter is a much bigger game than Shenumue III.

Blaming everything on the budget is nonsense, devs can make good things with smaller budgets and they can also make bad things with big budgets.
 

dan2026

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Shenmue III had a budget bigger than Greedfall and The Surge combined and higher than Vampyr.

Just to put things in propsective, and KCD only costed 3 million more, and the latter is a much bigger game than Shenumue III.

Blaming everything on the budget is nonsense, devs can make good things with smaller budgets and they can also make bad things with big budgets.
Exactly my point.
People saying 'well Shenmue 3 just didn't have enough budget to properly realise it's concept' is frankly absurd.
 

tsampikos

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I hope the meme dies here

Shenmue is and has always been bad and fans should be ashamed of themselves for enabling abject failure

Its not good because the creator doesnt want it to be good

They want it to be done their way... and their way does not work
 

liquidmetal14

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Out of curiosity, what were your expectations on the game? I mean, you say more modern, but how would that translate into the actual game? A faster pace?

IMO, I look at the originals and I think they're fairly unique in what they try to achieve, even if you could argue they're some sort of walking simulator+combat. There have surely been larger worlds, but I think the attention to detail and the sort of "slice-of-life" is still pretty unmatched, so as a backer I am happy they stuck to these strengths. But I'd like to know what people would change to make it more modern, as it sometimes seems just an expression to say they find the game boring.
I think most will agree that the second game is inferior to the first and probably feels more like an expansion pack just like the third installment. But I can understand that he went with what worked but for the story first and foremost, there's a lot to be left as ire considering the progression has been so lacking that it only exacerbates all the other flaws in the actual core of the gameplay.

I don't really have a hyperbolic statement like Jim but it certainly is a disappointment and I think even the most die-hard fans would agree with that mainly based on the lack of progression of the story.
 

Magoo

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I know gamers are sometimes a strange bunch but the hate they spew is still a surprise. They act like because one game exists that another can't. Or act like because one has been made it has stopped the chance of a completely unrelated game being made by someone else.

Maybe it is because they've liked a game that hadn't reviewed or sold well and they see another one get press or talked about and it gets them in a tribal "why did nobody do this for my favourite" mindset.

That's the only logical reasoning I could see and even that's a stretch. Every other reason just boils down to having deep rooted emotional issues that need any random outlet.
 

doodlewhizz

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I hope the meme dies here

Shenmue is and has always been bad and fans should be ashamed of themselves for enabling abject failure

Its not good because the creator doesnt want it to be good

They want it to be done their way... and their way does not work
Fans should be ashamed for enjoying a game series that didn't sell well? That's a hell of a take. And maybe I missed this but why is Shenmue a meme?

Suzuki's way doesn't work in terms of sales and the third game doesn't have a stellar critical reception, but it seems but fans who backed the game seem to be pretty happy with Shenmue 3.

If anything I'd like more games made with an uncompromising vision as it at least showcases a voice and direction, rather than an idea being swallowed up in order to garner more sales. Maybe this is why I much prefer the indiesphere than the majority of AAA games but I'm still happy that people can enjoy them. Let both exist and just ignore the games if you don't like them.
 

Jegriva

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I hope the meme dies here

Shenmue is and has always been bad and fans should be ashamed of themselves for enabling abject failure

Its not good because the creator doesnt want it to be good

They want it to be done their way... and their way does not work
Are you drunk?

"STOP Liking what I don't like"
"The thing you like isn't making enough money , not mainstream and is trash , so you should stop liking it"

Is Jim's video in a nutshell
basically.

Garbage excuse for a video. Jim must have had a bill to pay.
 

GhostTrick

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I hope the meme dies here

Shenmue is and has always been bad and fans should be ashamed of themselves for enabling abject failure

Its not good because the creator doesnt want it to be good

They want it to be done their way... and their way does not work

Shenmue II is easily up there in the top 10 of best games ever made. But "HEY FORKLIFT SAILORS LOLOLOL GIANTBOMB CAST STREAM LOOOOOL". Guilin part is a masterpiece.
 

VariantX

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Honestly other than that egs shit that went down during development, I literally don't see what the problem is speaking as an outsider since I've never played any of them more than a few seconds