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cj_iwakura

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cj_iwakura Completely off-topic, but are you still working on that Sakura Wars translation? (if you don't mind answering)
Ever since they announced the new one I've been curious to give the older entries in the series a try but it seems like the only one available in english is the 5th one for the Wii, so I got curious about that patch.
Yes, we've been updating via twitter.
 

Eolz

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Oct 25, 2017
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Soul Hackers is on sale for 7.5€ on the EU eshop for those that never played it (you should). Doesn't seem to be on sale on NA eshop this time.
 

FLCL

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Oct 27, 2017
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Soul Hackers is on sale for 7.5€ on the EU eshop for those that never played it (you should). Doesn't seem to be on sale on NA eshop this time.
Thanks I picked it up! Except for Persona the only SMT games I've played are SMTIV and IV:A. So far, an hour in, and I have to say this game starts pretty strong. Have to say though that playing SMT again makes me wanting SMT V even more... It's time, give it to us :(
 

NeonZ

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The biggest issue with Soul Hackers story-wise is the ending. Even though the main conflict itself is solved, they introduce some elements that make it all feel like a big set up for a last act or sequel that never came (since the Devil Summoner games afterwards became ARPGs set in the past).
 
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HylianSeven

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I'm sure this is probably a "no shit" type of prediction, and this is all based on ZERO insider knowledge, only following Atlus and what they do for a number of years.

A Nocturne remake/remaster is surely going to come to Switch. Nocturne is the only mainline game (other than NINE, which only Atlus pretends is a thing), to not have ever been on a Nintendo platform. It would be a really good, and fairly cheap way to build hype for SMTV.

Atlus has also been suspiciously quiet about SMT as of late, I feel that something will come soon, whether that's a Nocturne remaster, SMTV trailer and info blowout, or both. Persona has taken the spotlight lately for obvious reasons (P5R and S announcements), but I feel like SMT's turn will be soon.

Again, this is all speculation and based on zero actual fact other than seeing what Atlus does over the years. Sometimes Atlus is just a wild horse though.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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If they remake/remaster SMT3 for Switch do they work things out with Capcom so it can feature Dante from the Devil May Cry series, or do they just go with Raidou? Or say screw it throw Bayonetta in that cameo role now that SEGA owns Atlus?
 

NeonZ

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Wasn't Nocturne by the Persona 3-5 director though? It kind of feels like there's some internal division over there at Atlus. They never ported any of those ps2 games (or reused their demon models) to the 3ds even though that should have been possible.
 
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HylianSeven

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Wasn't Nocturne by the Persona 3-5 director though? It kind of feels like there's some internal division over there at Atlus. They never ported any of those ps2 games (or reused their demon models) to the 3ds even though that should have been possible.
Yeah Hashino directed Nocturne, and I hope he would not be involved in a potential remake. The thing about the PS2 demon models could be a number of things. Atlus isn't the most technically capable developer, and I don't know or claim to know anything about 3DS development, but given how Game Freak clearly had to struggle for Pokemon on 3DS (double battles in sun/moon lol), I have a feeling Atlus wasn't confident they could pull it off an used the sprites we got.
 

FLCL

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In Soul Hackers can I recruit demons without the smile icon? They seem to respond well to my answers but the convos just ends. Also, what decides if a demon has a smile icon or not? Most demons I run into do not have a smile icon.

I'm sure this is probably a "no shit" type of prediction, and this is all based on ZERO insider knowledge, only following Atlus and what they do for a number of years.

A Nocturne remake/remaster is surely going to come to Switch. Nocturne is the only mainline game (other than NINE, which only Atlus pretends is a thing), to not have ever been on a Nintendo platform. It would be a really good, and fairly cheap way to build hype for SMTV.

Atlus has also been suspiciously quiet about SMT as of late, I feel that something will come soon, whether that's a Nocturne remaster, SMTV trailer and info blowout, or both. Persona has taken the spotlight lately for obvious reasons (P5R and S announcements), but I feel like SMT's turn will be soon.

Again, this is all speculation and based on zero actual fact other than seeing what Atlus does over the years. Sometimes Atlus is just a wild horse though.
I really would love if this happened. SMT has grown to be perhaps my fav JRPG series and I want to experience more of the games and everyone seems to love Nocturne. If it is happening when do you guys think we will hear about it? I feel like E3 is unlikely but I am not sure how Atlus usually announces these things.
 

NeonZ

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In Soul Hackers can I recruit demons without the smile icon? They seem to respond well to my answers but the convos just ends. Also, what decides if a demon has a smile icon or not? Most demons I run into do not have a smile icon.
I'd guess those are the dark alignment demons. You need the "Dark Man" add-on to the GUMP to be able to recruit them through conversations.

Edit: I just remembered other details too. There's the issue of the alignments of your active demons. If you have a Chaos demon alongside neutral ones, your party will be considered chaos aligned and law demons won't join for example.

You can't have active demons of the opposing alignment (at least not when attempting to recruit demons with "Ex Chaos" or "Ex Law" alignment, or if you have one of those Ex alignment demons in your party). There's also the level issue. You can only recruit demons on your own level or bellow it.
 
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In Soul Hackers can I recruit demons without the smile icon? They seem to respond well to my answers but the convos just ends. Also, what decides if a demon has a smile icon or not? Most demons I run into do not have a smile icon.


I really would love if this happened. SMT has grown to be perhaps my fav JRPG series and I want to experience more of the games and everyone seems to love Nocturne. If it is happening when do you guys think we will hear about it? I feel like E3 is unlikely but I am not sure how Atlus usually announces these things.
Whenever the hell Atlus feels like. They don't often do E3 and the last time they did was for Persona 5 a few years ago, but other than that it's not their thing. Atlus USA does E3, but that's Atlus USA, just showing games that are being localized. I'd expect anywhere between a month from now and September (wild arbitrary guess). I feel like they could announce a Nocturne remaster and have SMTV info in the same stream event. I think it'll certainly be a stream event where they would talk about it.
 

spiritfox

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Oct 26, 2017
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A Nocturne remake will end up adding a new waifu and stupid friendship ending if past remakes are to be seen.
 

Boogiepop

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Oct 25, 2017
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Uuuugh, am I being arbitrarily screwed out of the ultimate equipment for the neutral path in the original SMT?

Guides say go to the red building above Tokyo Tower in flooded Tokyo, I do that, it's a long path down damage corridors, and when I get to the end... it just tells me the door is closed or whatever, and I can't do anything there. And I'm DEFINITELY neutral both from the overworld icon and fact that I just beat both those bosses before I can tackle the cathedral to beat this game.

Anything I can do about this? /should I even care, or can I just smash the final bosses in with normal stuff like every other boss in this game due to cheap stunlock and junk anyway?

Edit: Never mind. Just went for it and crushed it. SMT 1, beaten!
 
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Hakunon

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Oct 11, 2018
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I'm about to finish SMTIV, got sucked into the Law path (probably my least favourite Law path out of I, II, Nocturne, Strange Journey, so twisted, I mean, in the way the "good" characters are portrayed) despite my best efforts to stay Neutral but I invested too much into the play to start over, maybe for a New Game+. I generally like the alignment system of the series, it just seems like there are too many factors that affect it here. I heard it's more straightforward in Apocalypse which I want to start soon as well.
 

Imp the Dimp

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Oct 25, 2017
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40h in and I'm burnt out on Apocalypse. This game is way too fucking long. The ending is nowhere near in sight either. I'm at the end of 6/8. Just how much longer is it?
 

ClearMetal

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Oct 25, 2017
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I am a few hours into my NG+ Apocalypse playthrough. I took the second option, so I only inherited the Compendium, the skill expension apps and unique fusions. Level, macca, etc. are all reset. Nice of the game to give you that option; I never did like NG+ runs where you steamroll the first half of the game because of your level and skills.

I wish all games would adopt Devil Survivor 2's system of awarding you points for everything you do in your first playthrough and let you unlock NG+ features at your own convenience based on the points you earned.

That Leanan Sidhe, though. I recruited her at level 9 or so and grinded her all the way to level 17, thinking she would have unlocked her final skill by now. Turns out she only learns Media at level 21... One of my personal challenges this playthrough is to unlock all learnable skills for every demon I recruit or fuse, before I move on. Looks like I will already have to call it off, because this is ridiculous.

At least my other challenge, recruiting Angel and keeping it in my deck until it has evolved into Nocturne's Angel, is still going strong.

I'm about to finish SMTIV, got sucked into the Law path (probably my least favourite Law path out of I, II, Nocturne, Strange Journey, so twisted, I mean, in the way the "good" characters are portrayed) despite my best efforts to stay Neutral but I invested too much into the play to start over, maybe for a New Game+. I generally like the alignment system of the series, it just seems like there are too many factors that affect it here. I heard it's more straightforward in Apocalypse which I want to start soon as well.
Apocalypse's feels almost non-existent in how simple it is. Still, I take it over this any day:


Yes, I really resorted to making an offensively long spreadsheet just to get the Neutral ending.
 

ClearMetal

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So I make a point of talking to everyone in SMT IV and Apocalypse. Most NPCs have small character arcs of sorts, or they just offer insight into the events and setting of the game. But there is this one NPC called "Toned Woman" in Kinshicho that walks the same route the entire game and only talks about wanting a room with a lock. I feel like there is some kind of joke there that I am missing?
 

Imp the Dimp

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Oct 25, 2017
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You're not going to like the final dungeon.
That's unfortunate. It's a really good game, but it overstays its welcome by quite a bit. I'm almost level 80 and there's no end in sight!? The war difficulty is also pretty trivial so far. My physical MC is OP as hell.

I think it's way better than SMT IV, but I actually managed to finish that game because it had the courtesy to end at the 35h or 38h mark or whatever it was.
 

asagami_

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Oct 27, 2017
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Oh well, I'll give it a try this evening then. Thanks.
Wait, I said very close, but to be fair I can't remember very well the played hours between each moon phase... or the events happening of there lol and beside, I'm pretty sure I finished Apocalypse before 80 hours o_O What's happening right now in your playthrough?

Edit: Oh, burning building? Ok, I don't remember well lmao
 

ClearMetal

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just said hi to Medusa in the Sky Tower, now to return to the Fairy Forest.

I actually thought you would run into Medusa the second time you climbed the Sky Tower, probably because my own Medusa is currently level 60 or so. Turns out she is originally level 33 (boss) and 39 (summonable).

Being level 37 myself, I and slightly overleveled and it shows. Rukh and Medusa were laughably easy, so I have been thinking about increasing the difficulty. Does anyone know if War lowers your hit/evade in addition to your damage output and defense? It is why I stuck with Conflict so far. I don't mind the latter, but I feel the former veers too much into fake difficulty territory especially with how Smirk works.
 

Weiss

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just said hi to Medusa in the Sky Tower, now to return to the Fairy Forest.

I actually thought you would run into Medusa the second time you climbed the Sky Tower, probably because my own Medusa is currently level 60 or so. Turns out she is originally level 33 (boss) and 39 (summonable).

Being level 37 myself, I and slightly overleveled and it shows. Rukh and Medusa were laughably easy, so I have been thinking about increasing the difficulty. Does anyone know if War lowers your hit/evade in addition to your damage output and defense? It is why I stuck with Conflict so far. I don't mind the latter, but I feel the former veers too much into fake difficulty territory especially with how Smirk works.
AFAIK War only raises the values of enemies. It's the optimal way to play the game, but just remember to drop the difficulty down when shopping. The prices are outrageous on War.
 

ClearMetal

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AFAIK War only raises the values of enemies. It's the optimal way to play the game, but just remember to drop the difficulty down when shopping. The prices are outrageous on War.
Thanks for the heads-up. I read somewhere that War triples prices, including the Compendium? I hardly use it at the moment, trying to recruit/fuse/fully train all of my demons, but that is just insane.
 

Sasliquid

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just got to the final boss they added in SMT: Strange Journey redux. I’ve enjoyed my time with the game but this is a horrid spike. I ain’t gonna spend another 5 hours grinding for this. I think my time with the game is done, I beat the original final boss anyway but these last two fights are so much harder than anything else in the game.
 

MoonFrog

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Oct 25, 2017
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I finished MTII today and wrote up some thoughts on it here. Cross-posting here as, well, I used to post these impressions in this thread and to recommend to those of you who have yet to play it that you play it :P. It is a very good game and it feels like much more of the origin and foundation of SMT to me than MT did, even as it is picking up what MT laid down. Missing-link would be the wrong word because it pretty much just is SMT already instead of some in-between step. Really nice capstone to experiencing SMTI-IV.