You know you're describing Digital Devil Saga with this right?
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You know you're describing Digital Devil Saga with this right?
and that kaneko quote reads like a straight paraphrase of this one from Ryutaro Ito
I love how everyone was on the same wavelength at the time, the whole team was something special.
https://blueforestbible.tumblr.com/post/109174139417/an-interview-with-ryutaro-ito-megami-tensei
I love how everyone was on the same wavelength at the time, the whole team was something special.
https://blueforestbible.tumblr.com/post/109174139417/an-interview-with-ryutaro-ito-megami-tensei
Oh yeah, that's a great one as well! One I can never remember when I'm trying to think of it. Also has the useful quote where Ito claims Thorman's name's similarity to Truman's was just a coincidence.
I don't remember J Pop in DDS (Sera's song being called J Pop would be a stretch). I was actually describing Tokyo Mirage Sessions (which was actually pretty good). But anyway I wouldn't be surprised with current Atlus it veers more and more towards that direction anyway. At least the gameplay and music will be great.
Apocalypse is nothing overly exciting (yet) but fun all the same. Good combat and battles go a long way. It doesn't look like a top tier Atlus game though. Neither was IV for taht matter.
Apocalypse's end game is a treat though (aside from that awful, awful final dungeon). Unlike IV it's actually challenging right up until the very end.
Man, it took me days to beat the fucking boss in the well. Bad dungeon, hard boss, ugh. The game is getting pretty interesting now though. I'm digging it.
A week late in getting to this but:
- DDS2 has a JPOP opening.
- The characters constantly extol the virtues of "comrades" which is basically the super gritty SMT version of "friends."
- It's a game focused on a set cast of characters and their development over the setting and concept driven Nocturne, much like Apocalypse vis a vis SMTIV.
- The ending is disgustingly happy.
You're kidding right?
There is literally no meaningful distinction between what you're saying and DDS2's actual ending.
*Happy Ending*
SMT Fans:
I'm certainly not of that opinion, but all the mud that gets slung at Apocalypse was also largely present in the beloved DDS duology (definitely beloved by me, at least. They're my favourite SMT games).
I haven't played either DDS or SMTIV:A yet, but I still kinda like interesting "happy endings" like the one in Nocturne.
Nocturne's freedom ending returning everything back to the status quo before the Conception has kinda of a meta consequence where the main character is back to normal and not the Demifiend anymore. Everyone I've talked to before I played Nocturne really loves to jerk off to how cool and strong Demifiend is, so I was really surprised they made an ending where he's back to normal.
Apoc definitely leaned a bit too hard into the "Friendship" trope, but yeah there wasn't really much in its happy ending that was super foreign among other titles. Hell, Soul Hackers ending (my favorite SMT) was largely feel good.
Devil Survivor, which had hardcore-ass Chaos endings, also had "back to normal" feel good endings as well.
Devil Survivor Vanilla had, bar none, the best implementation of the LNC system in the entire series. Massively variable in terms of story and gameplay in a way the series had yet seen and even to this day struggles with, where none of the endings are universally happy or better than the other, and even the
"good" Gin ending ends on a foreboding note from Metatron and with the knowledge from Loki and Naoya that this can all happen again.
Overclocked... did not follow through with this.
That's the ending I got. Honestly, it is kind of unsettling imo. The juxtaposition between the lead-up and that ending...it just expresses the latent madness. Particularly with how Nocturne felt more directly about man-in-society imo.
*SMT IV: Apocalypse spoilers*
I'm starting to have some serious regrets about this internship.
Even after killing all my closest friends, Dadga is still too goddamn lazy to actually become a party member/partner despite being ridiculously powerful.
"Go get em, kid!"
*Dadga sits back in a recliner while I fight Krishna for the cosmic egg*
"Go get em, kid!"
*Dadga sits back in a recliner while I fight Krishna for the cosmic egg*
I'm starting to have some serious regrets about this internship.
20h into Apocalypse and I'm enjoying the heck out of it honestly. The war difficulty is starting to feel pretty normal, after quite the rough start.
Something I like about the War difficulty is that never decrease the feel of danger, so you can always being wiped out even in normal battle, but it's never "unfair" like how vanilla IV was, which frankly at endgame only the Kenji fight could be considered fantastic. Ah Apocalypse have my favorite gameplay loop since Nocturne and I love it so much.
I've been replaying SMT1 and it amazes me even more than it did 7 years ago. It's outrageous a game like that was released in 1992. An expansive world, clashing ideloogies and a great gameplay system (if you don't think too hard about Zio spells). How did they do it ?
Yeah playing SMT1 and 2 last year blew me away tbh. Particularly the completeness of the aesthetic and narrative visions.
I also had a curve with the combat in both games where I really enjoyed it and it was challenging and then I got game changing abilities and for a while they feel so glorious then just how much they trivialize things becomes apparent. Frankly though, SMT III and IV have similar difficulty curves, so it doesn't particularly stand out to me as a flaw but it is quite there.
I also found them largely readable. I got lost a couple times across both but really they are quite direct, snappy narrative heavy dungeon crawlers imo.
I also had a curve with the combat in both games where I really enjoyed it and it was challenging and then I got game changing abilities and for a while they feel so glorious then just how much they trivialize things becomes apparent. Frankly though, SMT III and IV have similar difficulty curves, so it doesn't particularly stand out to me as a flaw but it is quite there.
I also found them largely readable. I got lost a couple times across both but really they are quite direct, snappy narrative heavy dungeon crawlers imo.
I haven't played SMT2 yet, I'm really looking forward to it.
Just a question: wasn't my Yen currency supposed to be unusable when I reach Ruined Tokyo ? I had the same amount of Macca as I had Yen and I don't remember it being the case. It's a blessing as far as I'm concerned but this is very weird
It's torture. I almost gave up. After being so disappointed with the game that endless slog was the icing on the cake.
Also, story kind of just started to lose me halfway through. I really like Dadga, he might end up being one of my favorite SMT characters, Krishna was pretty cool and the humbling of Navarre was well done but thats about it.
I liked the partner system at first but think things flowed better when it was just MC, Asahi and Nevarre. The cast gets too big bloated at about the midpoint and it starts to feel more JRPGish than the average SMT.
Later on the whole thing becomes a lil too "power of friendship"y for me.
I liked the partner system at first but think things flowed better when it was just MC, Asahi and Nevarre. The cast gets too big bloated at about the midpoint and it starts to feel more JRPGish than the average SMT.
Later on the whole thing becomes a lil too "power of friendship"y for me.
"Bloated cast" seems to be a problem endemic to JRPGs. Which is weird for me to say, because I got into the genre in the SNES days (particularly FF6 and CT), and at one point in the PS2 era I was like "man it's weird how JRPGs don't really have, like, secret characters anymore" but now when I play 'em I'm always like "wow like half these characters have no reason to even be in the game"
I do like the demon ability/elemental aptitudes, which seem like a good way to balance things so you don't just fuse demons with identical skill sets.
Devil Survivor 1 was maybe not terrible at integrating a large cast and having their stories play out over the course of the week, but it's too bad the game's structure meant you just had the core 3 party members until the final day when basically everyone joins.
I do like the demon ability/elemental aptitudes, which seem like a good way to balance things so you don't just fuse demons with identical skill sets.
Devil Survivor 1 was maybe not terrible at integrating a large cast and having their stories play out over the course of the week, but it's too bad the game's structure meant you just had the core 3 party members until the final day when basically everyone joins.
IIRC you have to exchange a diamond in the gem exchange shop.
Hmmm yeah I remember having my money reduced by the exchange. Could well be I didn't pay enough attention but this is strange. Will make up some for Macca beam :p .
Double post but I was thinking about neutral again. It is interesting that classic neutral is a choice of mankind over demonkind and angelkind but it doesn't render a "human" world but I instead a world of demons wherein mankind tries (and after SMT fails) to carve oout aworld for itself. In SMT III and SJ neutral does create a world of man but I'd put forward that in both that world is undercut by the content of the game: Nocturne is in part about the underlying tensions and aggression in society (of various sorts) and SJ suggests leaving it to mankind is choosing to do nothing in the face of ruin. The latter is similar to classic neutral but the fangs are explicitly bared—it is about mankind asa whole facing its destruction and refusing corrective help. The former leaves the individual caught within the great weight of the self crushing and alienating forces of modernized society, and the hatred and violence these inspire.
Finally made it to the final boss of Apocalypse.
I love this fight a lot from a story/lore perspective in general but holy shit, they've got some seriously cheap tactics. Has three press turns and he can give himself smirk and fully boosted stats with just one? A move that wipes out a shitload of MP from the entire party?
Come the fuck on.
I love this fight a lot from a story/lore perspective in general but holy shit, they've got some seriously cheap tactics. Has three press turns and he can give himself smirk and fully boosted stats with just one? A move that wipes out a shitload of MP from the entire party?
Come the fuck on.
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I wouldn't get too excited now. Atlus trademarks some terms from their games and they don't do anything with it. 6 years ago they trademarked "Deviliser" and nothing became of it
Sorry I'm too busy hallucinating Raidou 3 developed by Platinum.
Or just a port of Devil Summoner.
Apocalypse is fucking great. Not quite Strange Journey level but way closer than I anticipated it to be, and certainly better than SMT IV by a long shot. The gameplay is so good. I wish it had more diverse dungeons though. It's all pretty dark.
*highfive*
If SMT IV is remastered I hope they bring all the changes from Apocalypse. It would be the best game between the two IMHO, but honestly I love both, even if Lucifer incarnation is literally not the same as before. It wouldn't surprise me if the Lucifer from Nocturne is quite different about the others and more special just for his knowledge about the Amala network.
Talking about Amala, I really really want see again multiverse aspects in a Megaten game. Or bring the Conception, maybe. I think it's time the series advance a bit in this plot.
Man, Apocalypse is really long. I'm 32h into the game, level 61 and it feels like I'm nowhere near the end.
. I recall finishing SMT IV in like 35h or so.
I'm about to face resurrected Shesha in Ikebukoro on 4/8
cj_iwakura Completely off-topic, but are you still working on that Sakura Wars translation? (if you don't mind answering)
Ever since they announced the new one I've been curious to give the older entries in the series a try but it seems like the only one available in english is the 5th one for the Wii, so I got curious about that patch.
Ever since they announced the new one I've been curious to give the older entries in the series a try but it seems like the only one available in english is the 5th one for the Wii, so I got curious about that patch.