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Should DMC5 remove its perceived tribute to Michael Jackson?
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I swear I was wondering why this wasn't being talked about here a few hours back, but it was! Never disappointed.
And no, it was a funny cutscene that was a callback to Dante's dancing scene in DMC4. That is all.
And no, it was a funny cutscene that was a callback to Dante's dancing scene in DMC4. That is all.
I agree. It isn't referencing him specifically. Someone with no knowledge of MJ would just think Dante was being a goofball, which he was.
Nothing good is going to come out of a overly emotionally charged discussion. This clearly has upset you and it might be good to take a breather for a minute.
Agreed. If anything Dante is big enough to own the move past MJ. He has enough legacy to shown the dance is his gimmick and not MJs.
Bruno mars or whoever great performer shouldnt shy from similar move too because they can pull it and own it.
I mean, if you saw the games I buy you'd really not find it surprising that I'd pick up DMC. I bought the Kingdom Hearts complete set because 3 looked interesting and I'd not played any. I've put a few hours into one and not the others. I pick up most major releases I'm interested in on any level.
Not sure why "I was considering buying this" is such a stumbling block for you.
No, not really. MJs dances aren't really exclusive to him at this point, given the iconic nature of his movie career. And that's what the reference is to. It's light hearted fun and peak Dante, you can separate the two.
Sure, that's how life works...He doesn't agree with my thoughts, ban him!
We know he was a predator and a child abuser. I suppose some people can have doubts on whether on not he molested kids, but he groomed and abused them either way no doubt
I mean just watch this shit
Victim blaming and dismissing pedophilia isn't something that flies on this forum, the last time I checked.
The scene's already on YouTube for everyone to see.
For every video Capcom tries to remove, two more will show up in its place. I'd leave the scene be, and tread away from M.J. references in the future.
For every video Capcom tries to remove, two more will show up in its place. I'd leave the scene be, and tread away from M.J. references in the future.
Where are people victim blaming in here? You know what that means right?
Nah its fine.
MJ was one of the biggest celebs the world has ever seen and a cultural phenom that spread across the almost all people. I don't even really like the guy/have listened to his music seriously but even with the controversy his impact was more than that. The allegations existed before this game was made and after it with reissued ones. Not saying free pass if guilty, but I think general tributes to his performances and persona are fine.
MJ was one of the biggest celebs the world has ever seen and a cultural phenom that spread across the almost all people. I don't even really like the guy/have listened to his music seriously but even with the controversy his impact was more than that. The allegations existed before this game was made and after it with reissued ones. Not saying free pass if guilty, but I think general tributes to his performances and persona are fine.
What's this, then?
Either accusing the victims of lying or otherwise blaming them on some shit that literally doesn't exist (FBI report).
I don't really care if they keep or remove it either way, they are a company and should be able to do what they want. Either way it doesn't really affect the game.
Any discussion beyond this goes beyond the spectrum of gaming imo. Either way it's not like MJ is even profiting off of this so I genuinely don't get why some people are so mad.
Any discussion beyond this goes beyond the spectrum of gaming imo. Either way it's not like MJ is even profiting off of this so I genuinely don't get why some people are so mad.
Was thinking of the same thread. My opinion is the same - a reference to the work of someone problematic is not an endorsement of them as a person, especially when there's seemingly no trace of the problematic aspect of them as a person in the work.
I agree there's definitely some disgusting comments in here but I don't think anyone being okay with the cutscene being in is in anyway excusing pedophilia.
That comment is not an example of victim blaming....... accusing victims of being somehow responsible or culpable for the abuse perpetrated against them is victim blaming.
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There's been a lot of posts but just to clarify a few things
- I'm not mad or condemning Capcom for this. As mentioned in the OP, I recognize this was not developed within the last month. However, as the game is still likely actively being fixed and DLC is developed it would still be feasible to make changes. The comparison to Yakuza 0 is a false equivalence. I'm not saying go back and change all games.
- Capcom's intention with the scene may have not been intended as a reference Michael Jackson, but the reading of the scene by basically everyone in the West is that it is, which they've acknowledged. I do not believe the scene is intended to glorify pedophilia, but rather ask at what point do intentions stop mattering when they hurt others?
- Michael Jackson's guilt not withstanding (and I do believe the victims), he has become a symbol of the sexual assault of children. Whether or not you believe in his guilt, I would ask that you consider what impact his presence would have on victims.
- I'm not mad or condemning Capcom for this. As mentioned in the OP, I recognize this was not developed within the last month. However, as the game is still likely actively being fixed and DLC is developed it would still be feasible to make changes. The comparison to Yakuza 0 is a false equivalence. I'm not saying go back and change all games.
- Capcom's intention with the scene may have not been intended as a reference Michael Jackson, but the reading of the scene by basically everyone in the West is that it is, which they've acknowledged. I do not believe the scene is intended to glorify pedophilia, but rather ask at what point do intentions stop mattering when they hurt others?
- Michael Jackson's guilt not withstanding (and I do believe the victims), he has become a symbol of the sexual assault of children. Whether or not you believe in his guilt, I would ask that you consider what impact his presence would have on victims.
No, because there's no reason to remove it.
It's this kind of flawed logic and narrow-minded binary thinking that stifles creative critique and reasonable discussion.
It's this kind of flawed logic and narrow-minded binary thinking that stifles creative critique and reasonable discussion.
It's not a tribute to Micheal Jackson. It's just a dumb, funny scene that references his work. It's nothing like that Simpsons episode that was pulled.
Reasonable discussion about whether or not Michael Jackson fucked kids? What are you talking about?
MJ is a symbol of pedophilia, if you're defending his music you need to own up to what you're defending.
We have different definitions of glorifying then. Erasing history doesn't solve his probable crimes regardless. I really don't love the tone some people are having in this thread basically accusing others of condoning paedophilia, it is needlessly aggressive and awful.
Some of the comments in here feel straight ripped off of youtube, similarly to the posts OP put in their post. Gross.
So its ok to have venerate depictions of Hitler because, hes dead? Help me with this logic here.
Unlike simpson and radio station who include actual michael jackson, this one is just a reference.
But if Capcom want to change it down the line, sure, i'm okay with that. Just give us more fabulous dance
But if Capcom want to change it down the line, sure, i'm okay with that. Just give us more fabulous dance
At this point, I believe his art has transcended him. I see no point in removing the scene. If capcom wants to do something they can just patch in relevant text before the title in the same vein as the WB cartoons disclaimer.
I've not seen the documentary so I can't comment on that.
I've not seen the documentary so I can't comment on that.
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