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Should DMC5 remove its perceived tribute to Michael Jackson?
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Kind of stupid to put it in in the first place given the controversial history even before the documentary.
Nah, it's just really unfortunate timing. The Simpsons thing is completely different because Michael Jackson literally did lines for that one.
Well, on one hand a simple reference its not really a company approving of something nefarious, MJ is a pop culture icon and Dante dancing in a cutscene doesn't mean much more than that.
On the other hand if they remove it in support of that cause, well, then its alright nobody should get angry over it. Its an unfortunate circumstance
On the other hand if they remove it in support of that cause, well, then its alright nobody should get angry over it. Its an unfortunate circumstance
I agree that there is a substantial difference between something which stars Jackson himself and results in money going to his estate and something that is just a veiled reference to him. Maybe it didn't need to be made in the first place and should inform future creators but I don't think there's an impending need to remove it
Not saying that they shouldn't remove it (they probably should) but absolutely no one was removing their MJ references from their shows until Leaving Neverland, even the simpsons made callbacks in fairly recent episode to the MJ episode, so the allegations existing for 25 years can't really be used against DMC V when nobody else was doing anything about it either during that time, like, what's next? going after any show that made a thriller reference? going after Megamind for using "Bad" in their ending scene?
But Jackson is not in it ? Doesn't seem like there is anything that can be used to deplatform a dead man. DMC5 isn't normalizing Jackson through this, it's just a hodgepodge of various references.
Hmm I gotta check out this documentary then, cause my memory of the trial consists of pretty damning voice recordings and other pieces of evidence of parents stating their attempt to try to extort MJ.
I think they should but I don't think they will.
...Yeah they should.
Not sure I can answer the first question, but would you also have it so no media or dance troupe can utilize the moonwalk? It's not a 1-to-1 comparison, but if we're removing things like this that is mostly just choreography I think it begs the question.
Sorry this is about the game, that Dante joke is just that, a joke.
No. For fuck's sake he's just having fun. Actually I'm not even going to bother because I know it won't be removed from game. This forum can be absolutely ridiculous.
I'm not understanding how a tongue-in-cheek cultural reference could be construed as "a positive nod to a pedophile" by anything short of the most tortured logic.
Contrived controversy is a hobby for some people.
Contrived controversy is a hobby for some people.
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I find distusting that people act as if that documentary is 101% proof of Michael Jackson being guilty, since the movie's only purpose is to be provocative and shocking, leaving behind all uncomfortable questions such as shady past of alleged victims.
I think it's just bad timing (not a foreign occurrence from the company who revealed Box Art Megaman amidst the agony of Legends 3/Universe's cancellations). It's a reference (a detailed one), but I'm not sure it quantifies for the effort to have it removed. There are hundreds of pieces of media with MJ/Moonwalk references that I feel are low-frequency enough to leave them to exist as dances that simply float about our culture now, MJ or no MJ.
The Simpsons episode's removal is a special case since the entire episode, voicework and song writing is focused on him. Other examples include MJ appearing in Space Channel 5, and even Sonic 3's soundtrack that feature MJ or elements of MJ very prominently. But the rest seem like more trouble than it's worth, unless we're willing to roll up our sleeves and begin the surgical removal of all moonwalk/whooping references in all of media. Not that I'd be against it if truly does bother people enough, but it's just the precedent it would set.
The Simpsons episode's removal is a special case since the entire episode, voicework and song writing is focused on him. Other examples include MJ appearing in Space Channel 5, and even Sonic 3's soundtrack that feature MJ or elements of MJ very prominently. But the rest seem like more trouble than it's worth, unless we're willing to roll up our sleeves and begin the surgical removal of all moonwalk/whooping references in all of media. Not that I'd be against it if truly does bother people enough, but it's just the precedent it would set.
Michael Jackson has the bestselling album of all time, is inevitable that he's going to have pop culture influences.
You know what disregard my post because I forgot Leaving Neverland and I don't know the full context of what's going on to make a point
yeah, let's trust a documentary that only tells one side of a story as fact and not a 10+ year FBI investigation that found nothing
I don't see much of a real point. It's unfortunately timed but ultimately it's not like it's doing anything that thousands of different pieces of media have done for decades.
If they wanted to remove it then they should, and no one should deny them that right, but as it stands I can't see any reason to single this game out other than it being the new hot thing.
If they wanted to remove it then they should, and no one should deny them that right, but as it stands I can't see any reason to single this game out other than it being the new hot thing.
I figured Dante was just a big fan and would defend him no matter what
Dante: FBI didn't find anything, he was found not guilty, get over it Nero.
It is real bad timing, although is such a minor thing, whatever they decide to do i am fine with it tbh.
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If anything, I would expect the ERA stance to be that his estate should sue Capcom for stealing his dance moves.
Ah okay, but a post like this isn't gross at all? Understood.
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