What new girl outfit? The one in the short teaser we barely get to see?It should, but looking at the new girl outfit I doubt they will do that
There's the official render too. I'm personally fine with the outfit.What new girl outfit? The one in the short teaser we barely get to see?
Can we all just stop with the "it's just Japan" bullshit? Japanese LGBT community exists and raised concerns about those issues as well. Don't erase the existence of progressive, feminist and queer representation in Japan.
Apparently there was a new P5R trailer that flew underneath my radar.There's the official render too. I'm personally fine with the outfit.
Anyway, yeah they should remove the homophobic stuff at least but...I've got a feeling those two NPCs will re-appear at the new year event in P5R.
Well, friend, there's a whole thread about P5R! Sadly here we're looking at a 2020 release. |:Apparently there was a new P5R trailer that flew underneath my radar.
Do we have any word about western release yet?
2020? But the entire game is already localized! How long could it take them to localize whatever's new which can't possibly be that much, right?Well, friend, there's a whole thread about P5R! Sadly here we're looking at a 2020 release. |:
here's the thread
I have no idea why, they might be re-recording everything to accomodate the new character. Just hoping they can get the same English voice actors for the new stuff too.2020? But the entire game is already localized! How long could it take them to localize whatever's new which can't possibly be that much, right?
Persona is simply too scared of alienating its core audience to actively engage with the themes it wants to address. Business, at the end of the day, trumps all.Yes.
What I don't understand is how the devs don't realise how the LGBT representation and jokes undermines whats always seemed to be themes of the Persona series. A group of people that feel unwelcome by society, taking off the mask of society and getting those around you to accept who they are.. it's always part of Persona. By mocking LGBT Persona 5 just completely flops on its thematic front. 'Be true to yourself! Unless your this... Or this....'. 'Rise together through society's constraints!!! Oh no not you you're just a joke and defs not welcome'. Like, it isn't just problematic, it actively ruins the narrative and motifs it tries to ride on.
Um, I wasn't trying to imply otherwise? I've made that very same point about the japanese LGBT+ community multiple times in the past, I was just responding to the context of western players trying to forward complaints to Atlus USA so the japanese offices can become aware of them (i.e they probably don't care what we think). Maybe I should have been clearer about this in my initial post by saying they've been ignoring the japanese LGBT+ community's complaints for years now too, and that the best thing to do in regards to this situation is to try and elevate their voices where possible (as I've seen multiple activists suggest).
Yup. P5 is maddening on how it doesn't understand its own core theme, or refuses to understand it in the name of tropes.Yes.
What I don't understand is how the devs don't realise how the LGBT representation and jokes undermines whats always seemed to be themes of the Persona series. A group of people that feel unwelcome by society, taking off the mask of society and getting those around you to accept who they are.. it's always part of Persona. By mocking LGBT Persona 5 just completely flops on its thematic front. 'Be true to yourself! Unless your this... Or this....'. 'Rise together through society's constraints!!! Oh no not you you're just a joke and defs not welcome'. Like, it isn't just problematic, it actively ruins the narrative and motifs it tries to ride on.
You're saying "but think of the overpriced merchandise sales!".Like, what they hell are you trying to say when your message goes all over the place?
I can't speak to the thread titler but I saw it as a decent way of forming a blanket statement to include both the homophobic incidents and, say, the kinda misogynistic stuff that happens to Anne. Or, for that matter, the teacher romance stuff
This is what's so frustrating about Ann. A femme fatale is supposed to have agency and control, but they insisted on making Ann submissive at every turn.It would've been acceptable if it wasn't something the protagonist and Ryuji forced upon her. Her telling the guys to fuck off, then she could say she absolutely won't do it but she has a secret plan and the decision to enact her plan would be hers and not the protags.
Don't change the layers and layers of jumpers / sweaters joke and Ann suggested and enacted the jumper joke infiltration herself with no sexual harassment.
Granted I can't remember what else happens with Yusuke but I don't remember him forcing her to strip for him? If he does then it would've needed more editing.
Ideally I would want them to remove or modify the gay couple to not be homophobic, with Ann the sexual harassment has got to go and I think the game would be a lot more palatable for me.
Yeah... fanservice dollars are more important than the core theme, that much is clear.You're saying "but think of the overpriced merchandise sales!".
They undercut Ann's character for the sake of embarrassment being "cute". I mean, Makoto already takes the "embarrassed about outfit" slot, so the need to repeat it with the femme fatale is not only dumb, it's redundant.This is what's so frustrating about Ann. A femme fatale is supposed to have agency and control, but they insisted on making Ann submissive at every turn.
Honestly, I wish the story in P5 was more nuanced to actually include these issues in the main story, especially when it's about "society and rebellion".
Right??
It pisses me off soo much that a modern set story with a modern plot is totally wasted on the goobers writing their ironically shitty opinions into character arcs that try to challenge it.
They have a chance to mess around with the localization again but I doubt itI had kind of hoped the thread was bumped because Atlus West was going to somehow be able to remove it, but I figured it wasn't realistic. :(
Yeah, but even then I have a hard time seeing how they change it to not be awful given what's still happening on screen (the guys chasing after Joker and Ryuji).They have a chance to mess around with the localization again but I doubt it