Should publishers start dealing with spoilers on YouTube? At the moment, how do you?

Hey Please

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Oct 31, 2017
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I was browsing some Injustice 2 videos last night on my iPad and just like that in the ‘Recommendation’ side bar a Devil May Cry V thumbnail with MASSIVE spoiler title shows up courtesy of the racist and misogynist dipshit troll, Shirrako. Rest assured, I was adequately furious, nay, feeling murderous.

In the past, I had chosen the option, “Not interested in this channel” for his content while using chrome on laptop. Apparently, YT's algorithm did not get the memo.

Unfortunately, for iOS (and for Android as well), one is relegated to using the official app (for iOS there are no alternatives) to get the best viewing results. As such, there are no ways to block content or ads (afaik) by using extensions.

So, I immediately proceeded to go his channel and select, “block user”. And lo’ and fuckin’ behold, I discover that it does NOT block the channel but rather blocks the user from commenting on your videos. The amorality of YT’s setup really dawned on me.

Given YT’s history of courting alt-right and open spoiler content in gaming to drive a click driven economy, what are the best ways to deal with it? Because sure as shit, if YT have not done anything up to now, they are not going to suddenly start.

I honestly believe that game publishers should issue notices of DMCA to those channels that do Let’s Plays and its kin that use blatantly spoiler thumbnails or/and titles to promote their content.

Update:
After much reading, while DMCA has been a go to solution for many corporations which has seen its share of abuse, a better solution would be gate these kinds of content from the uploader's side by stating what is or is not an open spoiler. For a corporation that is pushing "gaming" and already having "YT gaming", this should not be a difficult filter to add.
 
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BDS

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I feel like on the scale of priorities, publishers and Youtube should be trying to deal with the rampant bigotry and normalization of extreme ideologies found alongside their product on many of these gaming channels before dealing with, uh, spoiler thumbnails.
 

lobdale

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Uh nah that seems like a request for pretty huge overreach and extra effort on the part of video game publishers and we definitely don't need yet another entity attempting to police the content we can get online for something as insignificant as VIDEO GAME STORY SPOILERS. The fact that you conflate "alt-right" content and "open spoilers" is also kind of hilarious ATM.
 

LossAversion

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Don't give them any ideas or we're gonna have to deal with more unavoidable "Recording has paused..." pop-ups during cutscenes on PS4.
 

Woylie

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This is a real bummer for anyone trying to go into a Pokemon game blind. I tried to do a media blackout for Sun/Moon in the months leading up but still had half the dex spoiled by damn YouTube thumbnails. At least give me the option to blur all thumbnails or something.
 

Ikuu

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I never see them, do you guys have no other interests other than gaming?
 

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Just delete and then pause your watch history. Afterwards recommended videos will only relate to the current video you are watching.
 

SigSig

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I stopped using Youtube as a platform. I use them like an oldschool image-host to upload and access videos. I never visit the site itself to use it. Videos are watched in my media player of choice instead (on both my PC and Android, though maybe that works on iOS via VLC as well).
No comments, no recommendations, no regrets.
 
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I feel like on the scale of priorities, publishers and Youtube should be trying to deal with the rampant bigotry and normalization of extreme ideologies found alongside their product on many of these gaming channels before dealing with, uh, spoiler thumbnails.
Well, they can strike out on multiple avenues. And lest we forget, you can avoid the shit heads and talk about them here unlike a sudden spoiler brought front and center to your face for a $60 (and much more if you are not a privileged US citizen) product whose story you were looking forward to.
 

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I don't think spoilers are really an issue at all personally, get the fuckers like Varg Vikernes, Black Pigeon Speaks, Stefan Molyneux and Paul Joseph Watson off first before worrying about that.
 
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My strategy of avoiding spoilers on youtube is just to avoid videos about the series the game is from, or just avoid anything related to the game period around its release. It's worked out for me so far.
 

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If anyone disagrees with OP's solution, I am wondering what other solutions would be better, knowing that YouTube still needs to rely on many things to achieve the ideal solution to the whole problem?

Youtube should just give peoole an option to disable thunbnails. Asking Publishers to get involved will invoke unnecessary takedowns and demonitizations.
You still have video titles spoiling game contents.
 

AxeVince

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I don't watch anything gaming related except trailers on Youtube, and I delete it from my history afterwards so I don't get trash recommandation.
I also never use the side bar nor look at it (brain probably has it registered as ads since the rest of the web has ads on that side of the screen).
 

Megatron

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I feel like on the scale of priorities, publishers and Youtube should be trying to deal with the rampant bigotry and normalization of extreme ideologies found alongside their product on many of these gaming channels before dealing with, uh, spoiler thumbnails.

Yep, agreed. I think you (and resetera as a whole) fall into a fairly small group of people who want to watch game content but don’t want spoilers. I think most of the people who watch let’s plays and Ninja streams don’t care about spoilers, and there are other problems YouTube should be more concerned with as BDs mentioned.
 

Rei no Otaku

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I honestly believe that game publishers should issue notices of DMCA to those channels that do Let’s Plays and its kin that use blatantly spoiler thumbnails or/and titles to promote their content.
Who decides what constitutes a spoiler? Going by the way some people act just the title of a game is a spoiler nowadays. Sorry, but the onus is on you if you're that afraid of spoilers.
 

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I’d rather live in a world where the OP is spoiled on very single video game going forward than live in a world where publishers can DMCA a video for spoilers. Come on now, OP.

Here’s an idea: if you don’t want to get spoiled don’t go to YouTube. And if you’re going to visit that site regardless then don’t look at recommended videos or anything outside of your subscriptions. It’s really not that hard.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Youtube just needs to let us block channels again. It's always the same couple of channels (Shirrako, Boss Fight Database, etc) that always seem to do all of the IMMEDIATE spoiler videos, so if we can just block those channels (and other channels like them) from showing up on our recommendations it would be fine.
 
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I'm old enough to remember back when everyone on the Internet wasn't advocating for censorship and speech suppression of their political enemies and stuff they didn't like.

Those were good times.
 

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I've never been bothered by spoilers personally so I guess I have a hard time empathizing with those that do.
 

Crossing Eden

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Uh nah that seems like a request for pretty huge overreach and extra effort on the part of video game publishers and we definitely don't need yet another entity attempting to police the content we can get online for something as insignificant as VIDEO GAME STORY SPOILERS. The fact that you conflate "alt-right" content and "open spoilers" is also kind of hilarious ATM.
A reminder that shirrako is the one behind those RDR2 videos where he explicitly named them as videos of him killing a feminist in various ways
 

Ocean

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The healthiest solution is to care less about spoilers.

Seriously, it’s not a big deal.
 

Acorn

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This is a horrible idea, giving people more ways to fuck with channels isn't a good idea nevermind that what constitutes a spoiler varies from person to person. With some saying even boss or level names are spoilers.
 
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Youtube should just give peoole an option to disable thunbnails. Asking Publishers to get involved will invoke unnecessary takedowns and demonitizations.
This would be great start but how are you going to avoid spoilers attached to those thumbnails as title?

Who decides what constitutes a spoiler? Going by the way some people act just the title of a game is a spoiler nowadays. Sorry, but the onus is on you if you're that afraid of spoilers.
Are you being deliberately obtuse by claiming game titles constitute spoilers?

Yep, agreed. I think you (and resetera as a whole) fall into a fairly small group of people who want to watch game content but don’t want spoilers. I think most of the people who watch let’s plays and Ninja streams don’t care about spoilers, and there are other problems YouTube should be more concerned with as BDs mentioned.
There are people who do let's plays via using "Part X" in their title with a singular image as thumbnail. EpicNameBro and RadtheBrad are two people who come to mind.
 

Mifec

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Spoilers don't matter, thinking that you should give corporations the ability to DMCA people's content because you're terrified of being spoilered online is some shit.

It's not their responsibility and should never be their responsibility to care whether or not you get spoiled by their videos.

It's your responsibility to either use a yt blocker, or image or word or whatever blocker you need to ensure you don't get spoiled. If that's not enough stay off the fucking internet and gaming sites until you're done with the game or stop being a gigantic baby.

People asking for this shit or spoilers in spoiler threads are unreasonable and actively make game discussion worse, I hate these thread. Before you ask me why I entered this one it's because someone from here linked it to me on discord, I'll not return to it after this post.
 

Crossing Eden

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Who decides what constitutes a spoiler? Going by the way some people act just the title of a game is a spoiler nowadays. Sorry, but the onus is on you if you're that afraid of spoilers.
There's a legit culture surrounding YouTube where people who get early copies rush to get videos out as soon as possible.
Often including crucial information in the title and specific thumbnails. Like "CHARACTER DEATH" because of YouTubes algorithm these things get recommended if you even so much as do something like watching the launch trailer
 

Arukado

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Maybe they should implement a keyword blacklist, like some add-ons do (i use one on my pc and didnt have a problem with this kind of videos since then).

It should be account based tho, to work on the apps as well (i actually saw an enemy from sekiro the other day on my phone, and it sucked, because even though i didnt read the title, the thumbnail was all over the place).
 
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SoundLad

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Hey OP, in the future start clearing your YT history! The videos that are recommended are based on your video viewing history from what I can tell.
For example, every time I've watched anything Sekiro related I've deleted those videos from the history afterwards. No spoilery video recommendations so far!
 

Musubi

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Yeah giving publishers far reaching oversight over what is allowed on YouTube is a GREAT idea.
 

corasaur

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my youtube recommendations are pretty much only non gaming things with the exception of a little music.

i guess i remain spoiler-free by having no interest in video game related video content.
 

Mifec

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I'm old enough to remember back when everyone on the Internet wasn't advocating for censorship and speech suppression of their political enemies and stuff they didn't like.

Those were good times.
I agree, we should not censor people who actively try to attack protected classes and so on, we should let them spread their hate online and make those people feel miserable, right? Nah fuck that, fuck those people and fuck anyone who tries to use MUH CENSORSHIP as an excuse.

You clown rofl, miss me with that shit it's not even related to this thread.
 

Rei no Otaku

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Are you being deliberately obtuse by claiming game titles constitute spoilers?
Are you not being deliberately obtuse in saying spoiler whining hasn't gotten that bad? Remember the people bitching about Thanos in GotG or the people crying because they learned the hookshot wasn't in BotW? It's only a matter or time before we get someone complaining that just the knowledge that there will be a Resident Evil 8 is a spoiler.
 
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Oh do please tell me more how and what to feel. These are so great hottakes.

Also, it's not because it's "Games". These are same lines of defense that comes into play when discussing politics in games. This is essentially people were looking forward to a story that may come in any form, that you paid for, and then someone else ruins a big turning point and revelation for it.
 

Majukun

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they barely review content

don't think they will be able to discriminate between spoiler and non spoiler thumbnails
 
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Oh do please tell me more how and what to feel. These are so great hottakes.

Also, it's not because it's "Games". These are same lines of defense that comes into play when discussing politics in games. This is essentially people were looking forward to a story that may come in any form, that you paid for, and then someone else ruins a big turning point and revelation for it.
If you feel like killing people, fucking get HELP. Jesus christ this isn't rocket science
 

Duxxy3

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I hate it. I wanted to play DMCV at my own pace, but youtube decided to show me thumbnails from bossfights in the game. They weren't even videos from channels that I follow either. They were just random channels.

Sekiro has already been spoiled for me. Once again a random video from a random ass channel.