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Should trans-porn be a category?
- Thread starter Exellus
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I don't think it's correct to equate skin color and genitalia.
If someone was going to a strip club and had no prior knowledge of the club, do you think they would have the same reaction seeing a woman with a different skin tone dancing as seeing a trans person who identifies as woman and has a penis dancing?
At some point we have to realize you can have a sexual preference and not be some sort of phobic.
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Showing videos featuring trans performers in search results to people who don't want to see them is just making search functionality worse.
I think giving more granular control over search would be a good thing, but any sites deliberately showing videos featuring trans performers to users that don't want to see them would likely just find their users going to other sites with more robust search functionality.
I don't mean to discount those feelings at all. I understand the desire for inclusion especially at what seems like an easily implementable change.
What I was trying to get across is that these sites will almost always serve the consumer first. That consumer will take many forms so they will generally serve the majority, or common denominator. This invariably is of the heterosexual cisgender kind for mainstream sites.
Secondly, I feel we are perhaps placing too high a value on the nature of porn categories (again I do not mean to minimise the feelings of a community at all). We're talking about sites with categories such as "PAWG", "Bull" etc. The discriminating nature of categorisation means they will always single out particular charcteristics often to a degree that would easily be considered offensive.
I acknolwdge the wider issue is the lack of inclusion in the core variety of categories, but to that end the site wide filters seems to work to a degree, allowing content featuring trans performers to be found wherever it falls within those existing categories.
Again it does by nature suggest that trans is "other", but when it comes to the physicality of pornograpy, ignoring fundamental physical differences for the puproses of inclusion seems counter-intuitive for sites that want to get you to the exact content you want, especially when what you want is dictated largely by those physical characteristics.
I'm trying to cut out porn from my life, so IMO no categories for anything.
But in seriousness, the trans conversation is a highly sensitive area, especially on the internet and for that reason I try to stay away from it.
But in seriousness, the trans conversation is a highly sensitive area, especially on the internet and for that reason I try to stay away from it.
Trying to equate black people with trans people misses the point entirely. We're talking about pornography, where gender and orientation is of a lot more importance to viewers than race.
Categories are already segregated to cater to a mostly hetero audience, and anything beyond that is an opt-in. "Blowjobs" largely yields only hetero blowjobs. "Redheads" does not yield male redheads (gay or straight). "Threesomes" returns MMF, MFF, or FFF.
But it is just the person's preference !
In the dating trans people threads you people said it is just like not being attracted to redheads or someone who has joe dirty on dvd.... So if you are showing every hair color and every joe dirty preference on the category, why not show all woman ?
We can't control our preferences so you are going to exclude EVERY preference ?
At the end of the day we're nothing more than a fetish category to some people. Mature, incest, anal... -> transgender
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Not exactly sure which "you people" you are referring to there. Feel free to quote my prior posts that you're referring to.
I don't think there's anything contradictory with an individual wanting trans-people to have rights, legal protections, be accepted by wider society, free to present gender on their own terms, live free from persecution etc, whilst also not being attracted to them. I also think no one, trans or cis, has any right to be found attractive by any individuals or groups. People can't control their sexual orientations or preferences, but they can control how they treat people inside or outside of their orientations/preferences.
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I frequent a private porn torrent site. The whole search and indexing system is based on tags. So an upload with for instance trans actress Natalie Mars getting fucked by her cis uncle gets the tags: Natalie.Mars Incest Trans Random.Dude Brunette Small.Tits Facial Gape and a few more. So when I search for facial, my results will consist of gay, straight, trans facials. Only if I decide I don't want to see a scene ending in a straight facial, I can specify this. Or I just skip the stuff I don't want. In the end, this system doesn't exclude any content.
It is however dependent on uploaders that tag their files well. The advantage is that other users can add and vote up individual tags, resulting in better search results. More sites should use this system imo.
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Catégories In porn are based on fantasies. So no, it shouldn't be removed.
That said. Porn in general focuses on the crude, dehumanizingally incorrect aspects of fantasies. So if anything this is both +/- to trans pornstars because now they get their own sub section and can be filtered easily without being apart of the thousands of normal straight or female or male porn out there
That said. Porn in general focuses on the crude, dehumanizingally incorrect aspects of fantasies. So if anything this is both +/- to trans pornstars because now they get their own sub section and can be filtered easily without being apart of the thousands of normal straight or female or male porn out there
All while a split like straight/gay/trans implies trans is a sexual orientation and a cis man with a trans woman is not a straight couple.
I mean, porn commoditizes the physical traits of people's bodies. I get that it's not great to be reinforcing a message of trans difference from cis people, but so long as there is a visible, physical difference, porn is going to categorize on the basis of it, and if you have a problem with that you need to recognize that it's an issue with porn in general. Plus, at a certain point it feels like you're just demanding that everyone have equal attraction to all body types, which feels unrealistic.
Or it could be that if someone is going to a porn site and wants to see trans porn it would be a lot easier for them to filter for it if there was a way to select only trans porn. This is less a situation where a company is trying to imply someone is or isn't a certain gender and more my customers want quick and easy access to something and this is the best way to give it to them.
You have to recognize that the overwhelming majority of people going to a porn site know if they want to see cis, trans, or gay porn. To make it hard to find exactly what they are looking for is inviting another company to take their customers.
Having a category and also featuring trans people outside of the trans category does not make it hard to find videos of trans people. Don't be daft.
People have preferences. I understand that. What I don't understand is taking this preference away and not the others.
Like some people have preferences for darker skins, others for light skin. Some people have preferences for blondes, other for brunettes.
This was talked a lot in the "why you don't date trans people"
What I have a problem is that by taking trans people away you should also take EVERY other preference away.
Your argument is for the "lesbians" (and by that substitute to any X broad cateogory) to go away. "Cis blond white skinned lesbians" should be the category.
IF the category is lesbians than it should have every sex act with just 2 women. PERIOD.
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Eh, to me it's a completely different category, not simply a part of the variety for the vast majority of people.
I'm not even sure what you mean by "you should also take EVERY other preference away"... and you'd be left with what exactly?
People say this all the time but I just don't see it. I mean, I get the argument, but I feel if there's any humiliation involved,the order is
1. White man
2. White woman
3. Black man.
It's not OK to pirate porn. Natalie Mars has to eat food too. She's not fucking on camera just to get you off for free.
Making categories that are overly broad just defeats the purpose of categories for users. Should the "Black / Ebony" category include any video where any participant is black (gay, hetero, cis or trans)? Maybe if you want to be hardline about it, but then that kinda ruins the whole category because it's so unfocused and nonspecific.
Think about it this way. Why is it so humiliating that the white mans white wife is having sex with a black man specifically?
I think you're misunderstanding the power dynamics at play here. The fantasy literally depends on white men viewing black men specifically as stealing away their wives.
The idea that people will stop using porn sites because they might see trans content is hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Right now you're literally posting on a site where a significant portion of members are complaining about design inefficiencies. Filters not filtering would be a larger cause for outrage. Porn searches should be more granular, not less.
I'm really wondering why the OP never elaborated on this argument, he's been online since he's posted this thread.
Cuckolding exist because of the sexual view that black men are violent sexual beast to be used to violate white women/wives. Otherwise they would just get white guys to do it but I never see that type of porn. That's also why interracial porn is so popular among white men.
Whether it's a separate category or not, some people out there will find being trans hot, and will seek out that category in any case.
Same goes with the dodgy shit (all the fauxcest categories and whatnot).
If, in the light of that, trans people would feel better if it wasn't a category anyway, then sure why not.
Same goes with the dodgy shit (all the fauxcest categories and whatnot).
If, in the light of that, trans people would feel better if it wasn't a category anyway, then sure why not.
I mean that it is a preference and should be kept with other preferences like skin color, hair color and bust size. If you take one preference away you should take it all.
If you are not going to categorize "cis black brunnete titjob" than you should have trans women appear on the titjob category
Is this Natalie the Bayonetta girl ?
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I don't think you're going to find anyone that isn't specifically looking for trans women agreeing with you.
Uh, not all trans people are alike physically
You should be ashamed of your ignorance
Do you care to explain why this preference should not be treated as any other preference?
The difference here is that there are tons of porn streaming sites with the same general content. If one site makes a change that forces you to see content you don't want to see its easy to just switch to another site. Era is a community that has existed over a decade, it's not easy for users to leave all that behind.
Like I said I think it's a little bit more than a matter of a slight difference in preference; that is a completely different category IMO.
Either way though, isn't all of this already solved by aggregating based off of the users own sexual preferences as opposed to a flat view for everyone? Just like you might not want any black women in your feed, others might not want grannies or whatever but their algorithms should already be handling this topic anyways.
I will say, in the porn sense, I believe the trans(which is sadly often called shemale) category is pretty much exclusively applied to trans females with male genitalia. That is the primary physical characteristic of this category.
We gotta be careful here. That particular brand of cuckolding has a ton of racist baggage, yeah. Let's not stigmatize cuckolding in general, though.
You can already. Especially with paid sites like Evil Angel. When you make your account you can choose to have Trans show up in your feed of new releases or not. Same with Reality Kings. I think free sites like Xvideos and Pornhub lets you do it as well.
Not sure why you deigned to explain it to me after I specifically said I understand the connotations involved.
Aside from the fact that they're married and the Black man is considered a superior lover?
I'm not misunderstanding a thing. What I'm saying is that the racism inherent in that particular type of porn is much less overtly humiliating to the black male as it is to the white male. In fact, I feel the most damaging stereotype to black makes in that type of fetish porn is the assumption that all black males are endlessly virile sex machines, and even that is ultimately more demeaning to the white male.
I mean, when you sit down and think of the centuries of engendered racism and stereotyping that have led whites to believe and entertain this fantasy then sure, it's incredibly racist. All I'm saying is that even with that knowledge, what is visible on screen in no way appears to establish the white man as superior. Frankly I find the constant insinuation that a white man can retain all his societal power while being made of fool of in front of his wife the most damagingly racist part of the entire affair.
The porn itself, awful. How anybody could want to watch a guy just sitting there doing nothing in that situation is beyond me.
this belief that it is okay to pirate music and porn is so bizarre
We got porn sites called "Blacked", like getting fucked by some black dude is taboo. Porn is one of the last places to look for social issues. It's up to you to find that on your own because the landscape of porn is so deverse. Fetishes are strange and no one will ever agree with them between each other.
Most porn tags should be toggles as well as categories and be 'on' by default. That way if trans people turn you off as much as scat or whatever than you can throw those switches and continue browsing. Alternatively, if you're not only fine with them appearing in any kind of video but on this particular night you have a hankering to fetishize that feature specifically, you can click on that category the same as you might 'brunettes' on another night.
You're not wrong, but he's right about Empornium. Their tagging system is on fucking point.
Mixing it in with everything else doesn't really accomplish anything other than giving a surprise to people not looking for it.
The internet porn business is 100% built around websites and categorization systems that let people see exactly the specific porn they want to see very quickly. "Trans porn" is basically an arbitrary label that nearly exclusively refers to trans women with penises and that's what people expect to see when they click it. In much the same way as "interracial" generally refers to white women and black men while "ebony" refers to black women, the categories imply more than the words themselves do by definition.
I don't see anything offensive about another label in a sea of thousands of labels merely used to let people find what they want to see quickly.
I don't see anything offensive about another label in a sea of thousands of labels merely used to let people find what they want to see quickly.
