Should Your Boyfriend Play Mario Maker 2?

[Dragon1893]

That plot twist at the end! Great episode as always.

Edit: seems like this Nakey Jakey dude is problematic? This is the only gaming channel I watch outside of stuff done by industry professionals like DF or Retro Replay so I don't really know any of these people. I know Pewdiepie by name but never actually watched any of his stuff.

 

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[Deleted member 47700]

Tried watching a video (the Resident Evil 4 one) but all the Trump memes put me off, doesn't surprise me that they like Boogie and Pewdiepie.

 

[Kopite]

Tried watching a video (the Resident Evil 4 one) but all the Trump memes put me off, doesn't surprise me that they like Boogie and Pewdiepie.

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Ehhh I think with the context of the scene the Trump memes don't necessarily prove anything. I personally thought it was hilarious.

 

[Deleted member 47700]

Ehhh I think with the context of the scene the Trump memes don't necessarily prove anything. I personally thought it was hilarious.

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The joke to me seemed to be vindicating those kind of attitudes, the intent was probably "lol random" but yeah shit like that makes me uncomfortable. I'd rather watch a channel that didn't invoke Trump while making a "haha crazy foreigners" gag.

 

[F4raday]

Honestly, I think the Nakey Jakey thing with GF reviews is not really that big of a deal. Tbh i didn't know about the Jontron thing and the few Nakey Jakey videos I saw felt completely detatched from any political content, so I wouldn't be surprised that they didn't know about that too. And in any case, that's still kind of reaching. Being friendly with someone who is friendly with someone who is racist is hardly an accusation worthy of cancelation.

Having said that, what I always found very meh about that channel is that Shelby (the GF from the vids) constantly presents herself as a complete doofus in contrast to her BF (Matt), who is the best and most amazing gamer slash person. That comes off as kinda sad, since afaik it's Matt who is the writer on that show, so it's just him writing pieces on how amazing he is. It probably wouldn't bother me that much if it was a seemingly offhand joke thrown in every now and then, since the premise of the show is "casual gamer watching pro gamer play and making funny comments" (RIP escort mission...), but they just keep going at it all the time to the point of cringe.

Still, the writing and editing is decent most of the time and good delivery by Shelby, so there's that I guess.

 

[OrdinaryPrime]

So they lean into yet another problematic YouTuber. It's nice to feel vindicated not to support these people.

That plot twist at the end! Great episode as always.

Edit: seems like this Nakey Jakey dude is problematic? This is the only gaming channel I watch outside of stuff done by industry professionals like DF or Retro Replay so I don't really know any of these people. I know Pewdiepie by name but never actually watched any of his stuff.

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Pewdiepie said the n word on stream and then bashed journalists for reporting on it.
Nakey Jakey gave public support for JonTron.
Boogie is a 'centrist' clown, I'd argue asking for people to treat Nazis with respect isn't centrism anyway.

These are all people that they have supported in one shape or another.

Ehhh I think with the context of the scene the Trump memes don't necessarily prove anything. I personally thought it was hilarious.

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Sure, if you ignore all the other shit they're doing, it's innocuous. But that's not really possible for some people. Perhaps it is for you.

 

[Aurongel]

Oh man, that "he is butt" reveal at the end got me. The combination of the SMW Ghost House music and ridiculous looking Mii sold it.

 

[Justified]

Honestly, I think the Nakey Jakey thing with GF reviews is not really that big of a deal. Tbh i didn't know about the Jontron thing and the few Nakey Jakey videos I saw felt completely detatched from any political content, so I wouldn't be surprised that they didn't know about that too. And in any case, that's still kind of reaching. Being friendly with someone who is friendly with someone who is racist is hardly an accusation worthy of cancelation.

Having said that, what I always found very meh about that channel is that Shelby (the GF from the vids) constantly presents herself as a complete doofus in contrast to her BF (Matt), who is the best and most amazing gamer slash person. That comes off as kinda sad, since afaik it's Matt who is the writer on that show, so it's just him writing pieces on how amazing he is. It probably wouldn't bother me that much if it was a seemingly offhand joke thrown in every now and then, since the premise of the show is "casual gamer watching pro gamer play and making funny comments" (RIP escort mission...), but they just keep going at it all the time to the point of cringe.

Still, the writing and editing is decent most of the time and good delivery by Shelby, so there's that I guess.

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The point is its starting to add up. Each individual case "is not a big deal" but when you take the little nods here and there and put them together its enough to raise suspicion.

You dont need to be a racist or one of their collaborators to get call out. Showing support is enough to have a spotlight shined on it IMO. For instance Ill never give a shout out to Sean Hannity , when I know he blindly supports anything Trump does.

I also will never believe they have no clue what makes PDP, JonTron and Rogan so polarizing, not with all the memes and cultural references they drop, no way they are unaware of the toxic members in the gaming and social communities

Having said that, as I and others have stated, I dont believe they should be censored or banned here, just moved into their own OT and not have a thread started for each of their videos since they clearly still have their fans here who can overlook the "small stuff"

 

['3y Kingdom]

Should You Watch Should Your Boyfriend Play?

 

[takriel]

Having said that, as I and others have stated, I dont believe they should be censored or banned here, just moved into their own OT and not have a thread started for each of their videos since they clearly still have their fans here who can overlook the "small stuff"

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I support this.

 

[Deleted member 925]

It feels like more than half of gaming youtuber are either Alt-righters or they signal bosst Alt-righters.

Is like a damn plague.

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I mean I'm not surprised.

I wasn't subscribed to this channel but I was never a fan of this couple even if some videos were alright. This is an easy hard ignore and pass from now on.

Fuck YouTubers man. And stop promoting their shit here, please.

 

[Deleted member 925]

These people have been hacks and their videos painfully unfunny since the channels inception. I'm glad people are finally willing to talk shit about them, but it should have been happening way before they started spreading the gospel of their fellow shitcunt youtubers.

I'm not saying them stanning absolute pieces of garbage isn't worse than just being another couple of untalented shitstained youtubers, because obviously it is. But their videos were IQ hemorrhaging garbage from the start, and to see people post and bolster each and every video they released so hard that they apparently all deserved their own thread disgusted me (and I guess things haven't changed since they still get one every time).

Maybe we can get a sick call out to Jordan Peterson next vid! I know the boyfriend of this channel is a Joe Rogan fan so clearly he knows an intellectual when he sees one.

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Damn, really?

What is it with these white people on YouTube? Something always felt off about these videos and now I know why.

 

[Alastor3]

I doubt they're alt right (although "hol' up a minute" always made me a bit uncomfortable); just ignorant. Feels like Lindsey Lohan being befriended by mean girls. But if they keep doing this, they're going to need to put out a "we're not alt right" video before too long.

I just hope they're getting enough feedback about this that they know what's up after the fact, and choose to be a bit more careful in the future.

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im pretty sure they are ignorant, i mean, it doesnt even been 1 years they started doing that.

 

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[F4raday]

The point is its starting to add up. Each individual case "is not a big deal" but when you take the little nods here and there and put them together its enough to raise suspicion.

You dont need to be a racist or one of their collaborators to get call out. Showing support is enough to have a spotlight shined on it IMO. For instance Ill never give a shout out to Sean Hannity , when I know he blindly supports anything Trump does.

I also will never believe they have no clue what makes PDP, JonTron and Rogan so polarizing, not with all the memes and cultural references they drop, no way they are unaware of the toxic members in the gaming and social communities

Having said that, as I and others have stated, I dont believe they should be censored or banned here, just moved into their own OT and not have a thread started for each of their videos since they clearly still have their fans here who can overlook the "small stuff"

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Fair enough, i get where you're coming from. I was surprised that they actually get their own topics for new vids anyway, since i don't think their content is THAT good to merit that. And sure enough, it's always a red light when a creator starts rubbing shoulders with the toxic crowd (though most of that is still toxic lite for GF reviews I guess) - though then again, with gaming youtube I guess you'd have to detatch yourself with pretty much everyone to remain "pure".

 

[Justified]

im pretty sure they are ignorant, i mean, it doesnt even been 1 years they started doing that.

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Disagree they may be new Youtubers, but they are well verse in meme and gaming culture, you can watch just one of their videos and see that

Fair enough, i get where you're coming from. I was surprised that they actually get their own topics for new vids anyway, since i don't think their content is THAT good to merit that. And sure enough, it's always a red light when a creator starts rubing shoulders with the toxic crowd (though most of that is still toxic lite for GF reviews I guess) - thought then again, with gaming youtube I guess you'd have to detatch yourself with pretty much everyone to remain "pure".

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I wouldnt say Youtubers need to remain "pure" but their niche is good enough for them to carry themselves, and if they want to shout out or collaborate with other Youtubers, just have some awareness of the commentary in the community in which you participate in. Unless of of course you are fine with it and dont give a damn, which is their choice

 

[Deleted member 925]

Fair enough, i get where you're coming from. I was surprised that they actually get their own topics for new vids anyway, since i don't think their content is THAT good to merit that. And sure enough, it's always a red light when a creator starts rubing shoulders with the toxic crowd (though most of that is still toxic lite for GF reviews I guess) - thought then again, with gaming youtube I guess you'd have to detatch yourself with pretty much everyone to remain "pure".

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Some YouTubers do that and are able to still have decent sized fan bases. I feel like it shouldn't be difficult to distance yourself from racists, alt right douche bags. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[F4raday]

Some YouTubers do that and are able to still have decent sized fan bases. I feel like it shouldn't be difficult to distance yourself from racists, alt right douche bags. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Could you give some examples? I'd love to expand my gaming youtube base, but pretty much all of my youtube recomendation feed are asshats like the quartering and such.

 

[Tora]

I enjoy watching GFReviews, Dunkey and NakeyJakey

I bet you think i'm terrible for separating their views from their content.

 

[Pilgrimzero]

I enjoy watching GFReviews, Dunkey and NakeyJakey

I bet you think i'm terrible for separating their views from their content.

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I love Hitlers painting too.

 

[Kopite]

Sure, if you ignore all the other shit they're doing, it's innocuous. But that's not really possible for some people. Perhaps it is for you.

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Read my other posts in the thread, I'm happy to point out the problematic signal boosting of alt right personas, I just feel trying to attribute every thing they do as proof that they're racists or something just ends up muddying the waters and making it difficult for people to know what's the actual problem with these videos. I mean there was a poster who initially thought "Hol' up a minute' had racist connotations.

 

[Servbot24]

Mmm... after a certain number of degrees of separation it gets hard for me. Jontron sucks, would never watch him. NJ associates with him, that's pretty suspect. GFR endorsed NJ... well, probably not the best. Am I going to next cancel now who endorses GFR? Probably not to be honest, we're already several degrees separated from Jontron. I'm not saying that to discourage anyone from sticking to their convictions, but personally the area is grey enough I'm willing to still watch GFR videos.

 

[Alastor3]

Disagree they may be new Youtubers, but they are well verse in meme and gaming culture, you can watch just one of their videos and see that



I wouldnt say Youtubers need to remain "pure" but their niche is good enough for them to carry themselves, and if they want to shout out or collaborate with other Youtubers, just have some awareness of the commentary in the community in which you participate in. Unless of of course you are fine with it and dont give a damn, which is their choice

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''meme and gaming culture'' doesnt mean knowing about the alt-right stuff, heck, i never heard about NakeyJakey until this thread AND i wouldn't know nothing about JonTron if I didnt visit this forum because i've heard nothing about him on any other media outlet i visit

 

[Justified]

I enjoy watching GFReviews, Dunkey and NakeyJakey

I bet you think i'm terrible for separating their views from their content.

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Nope. I work with some very vocal Trump supporters, I also was in the military with and went to war with some. Among them I know they are very decent people. Still doesnt stop us from debating and me questioning their support (not to get political, but Im "small L libertarian so I dont blatantly dismiss them either )

''meme and gaming culture'' doesnt mean knowing about the alt-right stuff, heck, i never heard about NakeyJakey until this thread AND i wouldn't know nothing about JonTron if I didnt visit this forum because i've heard nothing about him on any other media outlet i visit

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You dont, but apparently they do. And we do know the boyfriend is a Joe Rogan fan, so its not hard to connect the dots here

 

[Alastor3]

they're not 1 year olds, dude

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you are perfectly right sir, they are only 7 months old.

 

[OrdinaryPrime]

I enjoy watching GFReviews, Dunkey and NakeyJakey

I bet you think i'm terrible for separating their views from their content.

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You seem oddly proud of this.

Read my other posts in the thread, I'm happy to point out the problematic signal boosting of alt right personas, I just feel trying to attribute every thing they do as proof that they're racists or something just ends up muddying the waters and making it difficult for people to know what's the actual problem with these videos. I mean there was a poster who initially thought "Hol' up a minute' had racist connotations.

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I don't particularly care whether they're racist, I'm just concerned with them getting boosted here because they have no issues boosting shitheads. That's really it. If you want to say they aren't racists, I won't argue with you, because I have seen zero evidence of that anyway. If you want to call out the people that find something wrong with anything they say, I just feel it's disingenuous. That isn't why a lot of people have issues with them.

 

[Deleted member 925]

Could you give some examples? I'd love to expand my gaming youtube base, but pretty much all of my youtube recomendation feed are asshats like the quartering and such.

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Doug Doug is by far my favorite YouTuber right now. Dude makes very entertaining and original content, he also has fun Twitch streams. https://www.youtube.com/user/Gloudas

Scott The Woz is a quirky Nintendo guy https://www.youtube.com/user/scottthewoz

Spawn Wave is another great channel with general gaming news, very down to earth guy. Https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoIXnB865l9Ex9zs4OIXTdQ

 

[metalslimer]

I enjoy watching GFReviews, Dunkey and NakeyJakey

I bet you think i'm terrible for separating their views from their content.

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Nope you are terrible for intentionally trying to bait people

 

[Kopite]

I don't particularly care whether they're racist, I'm just concerned with them getting boosted here because they have no issues boosting shitheads. That's really it. If you want to say they aren't racists, I won't argue with you, because I have seen zero evidence of that anyway. If you want to call out the people that find something wrong with anything they say, I just feel it's disingenuous. That isn't why a lot of people have issues with them.

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I understand, I have the same concerns which I've voiced out here.

 

[Deleted member 5596]

I enjoy watching GFReviews, Dunkey and NakeyJakey

I bet you think i'm terrible for separating their views from their content.

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Someone can draw the line whatever they want, Morrissey is awful person, but not for that I'm gonna stop listening The Smiths.

In this case thought, I wasn't a fan of the content and while sometimes I watched some video randomly, now makes it easier to not care about it.

Same about a FFXIV YouTube channel that recently invited The Quartering to their podcast. Is not like there aren't other channels covering the game.

 

[F4raday]

Doug Doug is by far my favorite YouTuber right now. Dude makes very entertaining and original content, he also has fun Twitch streams. https://www.youtube.com/user/Gloudas

Scott The Woz is a quirky Nintendo guy https://www.youtube.com/user/scottthewoz

Spawn Wave is another great channel with general gaming news, very down to earth guy. Https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoIXnB865l9Ex9zs4OIXTdQ

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Thanks a million, I've seen some vids by Doug Doug and he did seem entertaining, but the other two i have never heard of - will check them out!

 

[Renna Hazel]

Honestly, I think the Nakey Jakey thing with GF reviews is not really that big of a deal. Tbh i didn't know about the Jontron thing and the few Nakey Jakey videos I saw felt completely detatched from any political content, so I wouldn't be surprised that they didn't know about that too. And in any case, that's still kind of reaching. Being friendly with someone who is friendly with someone who is racist is hardly an accusation worthy of cancelation.

Having said that, what I always found very meh about that channel is that Shelby (the GF from the vids) constantly presents herself as a complete doofus in contrast to her BF (Matt), who is the best and most amazing gamer slash person. That comes off as kinda sad, since afaik it's Matt who is the writer on that show, so it's just him writing pieces on how amazing he is. It probably wouldn't bother me that much if it was a seemingly offhand joke thrown in every now and then, since the premise of the show is "casual gamer watching pro gamer play and making funny comments" (RIP escort mission...), but they just keep going at it all the time to the point of cringe.

Still, the writing and editing is decent most of the time and good delivery by Shelby, so there's that I guess.

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I don't think she presents herself as a doofus, just someone that isn't as familiar with video games, which is a perfectly fine position for a person to be in. She also says she has a lot of input in what is written, he's just better at putting things into words I guess.

 

[Piston]

All of gaming Youtube feels like a giant ouroboros of Milkshake Ducks.

I did search for any news stories about the tweets/pics between NakeyJakey and JonTron and there was no real controversy stirred up about it at the time outside of ResetERA and very specific follow up tweets. I would reach out to Girlfriend Reviews and tell them about why the shoutout was concerning.

 

[Tora]

Nope. I work with some very vocal Trump supporters, I also was in the military with and went to war with some. Among them I know they are very decent people. Still doesnt stop us from debating and me questioning their support (not to get political, but Im "small L libertarian so I dont blatantly dismiss them either )



You dont, but apparently they do. And we do know the boyfriend is a Joe Rogan fan, so its not hard to connect the dots here

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Yeah that's fine, I can definitely agree with that. It's just this forum is an example of cancel culture, at least among a decent amount of members.

You seem oddly proud of this.

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Nope you are terrible for intentionally trying to bait people

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Not baiting at all, I do genuinely enjoy their content. I know of what they do but that doesn't stop me from watching them, I use adblock anyway if that makes you feel better lol

Someone can draw the line whatever they want, Morrissey is awful person, but not for that I'm gonna stop listening The Smiths.

In this case thought, I wasn't a fan of the content and while sometimes I watched some video randomly, now makes it easier to not care about it.

Same about a FFXIV YouTube channel that recently invited The Quartering to their podcast. Is not like there aren't other channels covering the game.

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Completely understandable. That makes more sense, if you're already on the fence and you hear something about them that you strongly disagree with. In my case I really enjoy the content of those channels so I wouldn't want to stop watching them as a result of their actions outside of YouTube. Obviously depends on the context.

 

[Kopite]

Not baiting at all, I do genuinely enjoy their content. I know of what they do but that doesn't stop me from watching them, I use adblock anyway if that makes you feel better lol

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A bit of a tangent, but doesn't the new in-video advertising thing they do mean they'll earn anyway?

 

[OrdinaryPrime]

Yeah that's fine, I can definitely agree with that. It's just this forum is an example of cancel culture, at least among a decent amount of members.

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Are you going to address the reason people feel strongly?

Completely understandable. That makes more sense, if you're already on the fence and you hear something about them that you strongly disagree with. In my case I really enjoy the content of those channels so I wouldn't want to stop watching them as a result of their actions outside of YouTube. Obviously depends on the context.

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Outside of YouTube? What? Some of their support has been in their videos.

 

[Glimlocker]

Be as concerned as you like. If you read what I said (which you obviously didn't), no where did I say support them.



This is the type of dumb take I am talking about. Read what is actually said instead of inventing your own words.



Yours is one of them

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Apologies if I'm misinterpreting, but your point seems to be that people should feel free to watch whatever people they want, regardless of the views they support.

Is that correct?

Thanks for telling me that I have a bad take. That's always appreciated.

 

[Tora]

A bit of a tangent, but doesn't the new in-video advertising thing they do mean they'll earn anyway?

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Sure, I suppose.

Are you going to address the reason people feel strongly?



Outside of YouTube? What? Some of their support has been in their videos.

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I don't want to drag this on to be honest because it could be discussed for ages. I understand where you're coming from and i'm not trying to change your mind, I guess i'm just trying to say what's the problem with just watching these content creators just for their content?

 

[OrdinaryPrime]

I don't want to drag this on to be honest because it could be discussed for ages. I understand where you're coming from and i'm not trying to change your mind, I guess i'm just trying to say what's the problem with just watching these content creators just for their content?

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What you're asking is, why should you care that they support someone who says the n word on stream and then bashes publications for calling him out for it? Shouldn't that be evident?

This idea that seems popular that one can watch someone for entertainment purposes only and ignore the shitty actions is just plain silly. This shit is insidious.

 

[Kopite]

I don't want to drag this on to be honest because it could be discussed for ages. I understand where you're coming from and i'm not trying to change your mind, I guess i'm just trying to say what's the problem with just watching these content creators just for their content?

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I don't think there's an issue with that, but it should be fine and expected that these threads will contain criticism not just of content, but the problematic signal boosting and so on. There shouldn't be a 'safe space' where the content can be discussed irrespective of all the other issues, the same way you can't make a Michael Jackson thread and complain that people aren't all focused on discussing his best album.

In fact if Shelby and Matt are genuinely unaware of the who their signal boosting and the potential damage their causing, constantly pointing this out would be much more beneficial to them.

 

[Manu]

These threads are exhausting, for real.

Just close the thread and ban the channel on Era, because if every single time a video gets posted the thread gets derailed and people are jumped over for saying they still enjoy the videos, then what's the point? It just becomes a bunch of users pointing fingers at one another. Don't pretend it fosters discussion of any kind, just say "these people are shitty" and lock the thread. There's nothing gained from keeping it open. People have made their argument about the shittiness of the shoutouts ad nauseam.

 

[Justified]

These threads are exhausting, for real.

Just close the thread and ban the channel on Era, because if every single time a video gets posted the thread gets derailed and people are jumped over for saying they still enjoy the videos, then what's the point? It just becomes a bunch of users pointing fingers at one another. Don't pretend it fosters discussion of any kind, just say "these people are shitty" and lock the thread. There's nothing gained from keeping it open. People have made their argument about the shittiness of the shoutouts ad nauseam.

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Fans should make an OT for them. I would disagree on banning them for now, as nothing they have done or said warrants a ban.

Otherwise individual threads are open to both support and criticism, which should be allowed. Especially if the criticism is pointing to somerthing directly mentioned in the video in the OP

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Apologies if I'm misinterpreting, but your point seems to be that people should feel free to watch whatever people they want, regardless of the views they support.

Is that correct?

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No. Dude was acting like people are punishing themselves by not watching GF reviews because they haven't done anything egregious (yet). My point was choosing not to watch a youtube channel because you disagree with who the content creators promote is not punishing yourself. It's literally just a stupid entertainment channel, not watching it is not subjecting yourself to punishment. That's an incredibly silly take. There is millions of other forms of entertainment to watch that have agreeable politics should one not fit your criteria.

Thanks for telling me that I have a bad take. That's always appreciated.

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Don't start none if you don't want none. No one made you jump in.

 

[Piston]

Fans should make an OT for them. I would disagree on banning them for now, as nothing they have done or said warrants a ban.

Otherwise individual threads are open to both support and criticism, which should be allowed. Especially if the criticism is pointing to somerthing directly mentioned in the video in the OP

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I would be in favor of this solution.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

I guess i'm just trying to say what's the problem with just watching these content creators just for their content?

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I've tried that once or twice. It doesn't work.

I used to watch Jontron, but after he turned out to be a racist fuckwit, that's...pretty much all I see him as. Everything else just gets drowned out.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Sure, I suppose.

I don't want to drag this on to be honest because it could be discussed for ages. I understand where you're coming from and i'm not trying to change your mind, I guess i'm just trying to say what's the problem with just watching these content creators just for their content?

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You can treat content creators as nothing but that but you also can't whine and complain when people call you out for plainly ignoring problematic stuff these people say. I enjoy Dunkey's content, it doesn't mean Dunkey hasn't done or said problematic shit. It doesn't mean because I enjoy it he should be free from dragging. And to that extent, I should not be free from dragging (to a degree) for supporting problematic people.

Everyone has a threshold. You can plainly state what it is. But what you did with your post which was bait (and yes it is bait, you knew exactly how that would be perceived and did it anyone. We aren't dumb) was victimize yourself because people questioned stuff you like. But no one has said dont like it or you cant watch it. They have just said it is in some ways problematic.

If you cant handle having to think about the content you consume, you probably do think there is somethjng wrong with it on some level. I'm totally secure watching Girlfriend reviews and still thinking they are signaling some politics I personally dont fuck with. But at this point no, I'm not going to stop watching based on the dude listening to Joe Rogan or shouting out whoever the fuck Nakey Jakey is.

I'm comfortable with that stance. I have no issues stating it. You seem to be defensive of yours however.

 

[Tora]

What you're asking is, why should you care that they support someone who says the n word on stream and then bashes publications for calling him out for it? Shouldn't that be evident?

This idea that seems popular that one can watch someone for entertainment purposes only and ignore the shitty actions is just plain silly. This shit is insidious.

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I don't think there's an issue with that, but it should be fine and expected that these threads will contain criticism not just of content, but the problematic signal boosting and so on. There shouldn't be a 'safe space' where the content can be discussed irrespective of all the other issues, the same way you can't make a Michael Jackson thread and complain that people aren't all focused on discussing his best album.

In fact if Shelby and Matt are genuinely unaware of the who their signal boosting and the potential damage their causing, constantly pointing this out would be much more beneficial to them.

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I've tried that once or twice. It doesn't work.

I used to watch Jontron, but after he turned out to be a racist fuckwit, that's...pretty much all I see him as. Everything else just gets drowned out.

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You can treat content creators as nothing but that but you also can't whine and complain when people call you out for plainly ignoring problematic stuff these people say. I enjoy Dunkey's content, it doesn't mean Dunkey hasn't done or said problematic shit. It doesn't mean because I enjoy it he should be free from dragging. And to that extent, I should not be free from dragging (to a degree) for supporting problematic people.

Everyone has a threshold. You can plainly state what it is. But what you did with your post which was bait (and yes it is bait, you knew exactly how that would be perceived and did it anyone. We aren't dumb) was victimize yourself because people questioned stuff you like. But no one has said dont like it or you cant watch it. They have just said it is in some ways problematic.

If you cant handle having to think about the content you consume, you probably do think there is somethjng wrong with it on some level. I'm totally secure watching Girlfriend reviews and still thinking they are signaling some politics I personally dont fuck with. But at this point no, I'm not going to stop watching based on the dude listening to Joe Rogan or shouting out whoever the fuck Nakey Jakey is.

I'm comfortable with that stance. I have no issues stating it. You seem to be defensive of yours however.

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Good points, agreed.

 

[Jobbs]

Fans should make an OT for them. I would disagree on banning them for now, as nothing they have done or said warrants a ban.

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They're effectively banned because we can't have a discussion on their actual videos without conversation about everything else taking over.

I would hope that moderators would decide to ban them or stop letting the threads be derailed with this crap. One or the other

 

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They're effectively banned because we can't have a discussion on their actual videos without conversation about everything else taking over.

I would hope that moderators would decide to ban them or stop letting the threads be derailed with this crap. One or the other

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You can entirely have that discussion. A discussion isn't ban just because it isn't going the way you want.

You can do what I did for Xenoblade 2. People who made the same argument in every thread just went to my ignore list. At a certain point you have to take the tools we have and just use them.

You can also be a catalyst for the discussion you want to have.

The mods dont need to ban anything or moderate people based on the direction of the thread lol. No one is stopping anyone from just commenting on the content.