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Shut the fuck up about how you won't be "bullied" to just vote for the Democrat no matter who: Trump threatens to cut funding to Cali over Abortion
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Better than Trump's is simply not enough for the dire straits we're in from a climate focused perspective. Pretty much anything short of a full Bernie style Green New Deal and it's game over. I'll vote for anyone in the general but I sure as hell won't be enthusiastic about anyone but Bernie. I will fight for Bernie, I'll vote for Biden but I won't go to bat for him against his detractors because let's face it- he sucks.
That's not true at all homie. There were definitely people in this thread saying that they would stay home if Biden got the name, and then people backed him up
Breh, chill the fuck out. I'm black, filled out a reply in response to that post and forgot that the draft was saved when I replied to another post.
Bill Clinton picked Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg for SCOTUS and his policies were far more conservative than anything that we see from Democratic candidates today, you don't need to worry about Joe.
so what would be better trump getting in for another term or voting to make life better? Trump getting in again is the worst case scenario anything else is secondary and if someone is not voting, it's basically equivalent of voting for trump.
That's all that's expected
Campaign and vote for your ideal candidate in the primary
Vote Dem in the GE
I get that 2016 primary Hillary supporters probably want to cover up how they wanted a transphobic slave using candidate who idolised Kissenger with the horrible foreign policy to support it to win in 2016 whilst they were certain Bernie was the racist one, but how is the primary any different from the general?
You shouldn't be excusing people who vote for Biden if they care about anything from institutional racism, horrifically racist foreign policy, or renewable energy when there are much better alternatives in Warren and Bernie. At least hold his supporters to the same standards as fucking Tulsi supporters when she at least lies out of her ass about how she doesn't want to kill PoC in other countries (please don't mention Modi... oh, nobody's mentioning Modi on the big stage? That's good!) Because people here wouldn't ever defend Tulsi supporters.
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seeing the left devour itself in this thread is sad. vote for who you want in the primary, vote for whoever isn't trump (the dem) in the general. period. you will agree more with the democrat than trump guaranteed (unless you're a sociopath)
what the hell is wrong with you lol. my response was just to find out what you were trying to say since you responded to me and it was cut off.
you need to take your own advice.
Anyone who's claiming that it doesn't matter who you vote for in the primary ("vote for whoever you want"). It matters.
Who is saying this? Unless you are misconstruing the comments that say vote who you want in the primaries to mean they don't matter, but that would be weird.
It's ironic, as a Canadian, I've never been so deeply interested in politics since I saw them neighbors going full idiot-of-the-village with the unexpected Trump victory over Hillary Clinton.
I remember the people crying in disbelief over being scared for their lives on TV, to see those same scares being validated by seeing a video of a bunch of rednecks roaming the streets in a pickup truck harboring the confederate flag yelling all kinds of slurs towards all kinds of minorities the next day.
And boy oh boy was this just the beginning. We're almost 4 years in and I still find myself capable of being surprised at some horrible news I read here.
Totally agree with this sentiment.
Shut your bitch ass up if you don't vote against Trump. You are the problem and are willing to accept corruption and everything else this current Administration entails. Your type are the ones that will complain about legitimate issues and handwave bullshit excuses only to both sides or play devil's advocate on subjects you call politic. Guess what, for those affected, their lively hood isn't a political statement.
I apologize, I was defensive because I know how bad that short a phrase could be. Fucking multi-quote lol.
What on earth are you going to do when Trump gets another 4 years, during which time he makes the conservative majority of the Supreme Court even stronger, and then when the country finally manages to elect a progressive president and somehow also gets a progressive senate, and it still doesn't matter because Trump's Supreme Court will just rule any action seeking to fix climate change as unconstitutional?
Ok, so that is what you mean. "Vote for who you want in the primaries" does not mean your vote doesn't matter, that's wild to think that is what it means.
Its irrelevant compared to Trumps. Its not enough to meet the standards we need RIGHT NOW. This isn't an issue that is to be compromised on.
And I'm sorry but I can't help but laugh that were seriously saying Biden would be picking progressive enough judges to pass radical environmental laws when his own plan isn't even where it needs to be. Its a farce, and theres no winning this argument by bringing up Trump regarding climate change. And Joe isn't middle of the road.
See above.
What Clinton did does not mean this is what Biden will do. Especially when Biden is selling himself as the guy willing to work with republicans. If you want to live in a fantasy world where he picks super progressive judges that would pass stuff even more progressive than the plan hes running on you can. But to anyone whose followed his career and reading his policy in comparison to what climate scientists tell us, it isn't going to be good enough.
Ask me this question again once the dust from the primary settles down. Right now I'm 100% on board for a Warren or Bernie presidency. Anything less right now will suffice. If neither of those candidates do not make it past the Primary I will need time to settle down and come to terms about a Biden presidency. Telling me to vote blue no matter who, before the first primary vote has been cast, is telling me to shut the fuck up my voice does not matter.
Edit: In addition a vote for no one is materially better than a vote for Trump. Republicans understand this and they're already gearing up to slander Biden via his son. I have no doubts that I'll go out and vote (My wife will fucking murder me if I don't.) especially to help down ballot and likely canvas for a local candidate but you're not going to catch me espousing my support for Biden.
Edit Edit: I will reiterate that I personally taking coming to me and questioning me if "I'll vote blue no matter who" is telling me to suck it up and take forever is in the primary. Especially when its before the Iowa caucus.
Every 2020 primary thread ever:
Era 1:But (Candidate X) won't fix (Problem A), so if (Candidate Y) isn't elected, no one will get out and vote.
Era 2: But (Candidate Y) doesn't care about (marginalized group), so you can't expect people to support him unless they also don't care about (marginalized group)
Era 3: But all that matters is Trump loses. I will vote against him no matter what, and you should too.
Era 1 and 2: You're a monster.
Era 4: We're fucked.
So if Bernie or Warren don't get the ticket, then just fucking do nothing? That is what is being discussed here.
I did not say that. I only contended with the point that because all the candidates are running with climate plans that this makes them all equal or good.
But ultimately (thinking about it) yeah, if we don't get serious about climate NOW none of this matters so in a round about way it kind of does come down to those two. This isn't even hyperbole. Weve been told this for years now.
Clinton billed himself as being willing to work with Republicans. Obama billed himself as being willing to work with Republicans. The willingness to work with Republicans doesn't seem to correlate with the type of Supreme Court justices you're likely to nominate. That's not a fantasy world, that's reality. Regardless of whether his nominees meet whatever bar you're setting out for "super progressive" the 5-4 conservative majority shifting over to the liberals on the court would be a change that would impact every level of government and on this front you really shouldn't worry about Biden's picks. If they're anything like the picks made by Democrats over the last few decades, it's going to be fine.
I don't think you have a working understanding of how our government functions if you think it's going to be the job of the judiciary to pass any environmental laws.
Its starting to sound like the excuses for Trump in 2016 when everyone kept telling us we couldnt believe what he actually said because he would do something different. I see absolutely 0 reason to think the centrist lib wont be capitulating to republicans when he says he will over the two other options with plans that are aimed at saving the planet, especially when the only evidence offered to the contrary comes from two entirely different people and administrations. Biden's climate stance is virtually disqualifying if youre talking about saving all life on the planet. And it doesn't matter that Trump is on the other end when his plan in and of itself isn't going to save us. Virtually all other topics pale in comparison to how singularly important this issue is.
They brought up judges as a counter to the argument, i answered regarding the judges. My original argument was more expansive than just SCOTUS.
Why is this so hard
Seriously. Does anyone here NOT agree with this?
Canada will take you
in exchange for Alberta? 👀
I'm not discussing the merits of climate policy.
I'm not sure how you can genuinely make the argument that Biden represents an entirely different administration in an environment where he was literally second in command in the previous administration, he's not some disconnected figure who's values are unknown to us - he was an active participant in shaping this country through the Executive. Biden will work with Republicans when he finds an opportunity to do so - like any president who finds himself without full control of congress, when it comes to judges though there's been no indication that he'll depart from what Democrats have been doing with respect to judges since the 90s.
Why not lock this dumpster fire of a thread then?
I know right
100%, until there's a legit third party that has a shot at the presidency it's absolutely a wasted vote. Saw so many Gary Johnson shirts before and after the 16 election I wanted to sit each one down and have a long chat.
In 2000 they literally had the federal government overrule the Florida decision to have a recount of ballots in their own state.
Then why are you quoting me because thats solely what I was talking about here, with the people you quoted me conversing with. Did you read the conversation or just jump in?
The obama administration didn't do nearly enough for this issue either and was also incredibly sordid on a number of other issues that pertain to this race as well (foreign policy, immigration, environment, economic inequality) so bringing up that track record does little to satiate people who want more progressive candidates here. But you made me digress because as mentioned, these problems only exist in so far as were actually alive to face them and with Biden's climate positions he isn't ensuring thats going to happen.
Is it okay to vote for, say, Tulsi Gabbard in the primary? If so, is it also okay for her to win the nomination, just so long as we all vote D in the general? Should we be happy with all the primary voters that forced us give the presidency to Gabbard?
Voting for the correct candidate in the primary is important, too.
It's only after we have a nominee that we should be saying, "it doesn't matter who you voted for in the primary: in the general, vote for the one with a (D) next to their name."
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Yes
Yes
Primaries are a terrible way of picking candidates so people should be unhappy with them in general, but if it leads to a Trump loss then also yes.
I guess we're just not on the same page, then. I don't think it's okay to put your primary vote towards a homophobic, Islamophobic, dictator-coddling piece of shit who pals around with Bannon when we have better options.
You're welcome to think what you'd like, I believe in it being "okay" for people to vote for whomever they believe best represents them. I have to console myself these days with the thought that ResetEra doesn't actually represent the majority of primary voters as evidenced by Biden's continued domination of the polls. There's something to be thankful for in that.
I don't agree, fully at least.
The polls are showing that the president is going to be either Bernie, Biden, or Trump. Any other vote is a waste. If we apply the same logic that we do in the general, that a wasted vote (i.e third party) is a vote for the opposite side (Trump in that case), then the same could be applied here. A vote for, say, Warren, is a vote that supports Biden, because it doesn't support a viable candidate.
The truth is, if anyone is serious about stopping Biden, they need to vote for Sanders. If someone doesn't care if Biden wins, and they wanna just show some love for their preferred candidate, they would vote for someone else.
this is why I'm voting Sanders.
I'd rather have Warren but I think its impossible for her to beat Biden at this point.
Is this sarcasm? Please tell me this is sarcasm.
Because surely you're not this pathetically selfish and short-sighted...
I do agree to an extent, I think Biden is horrible in every regard and his policies will hold us all back, so yes, if someone here is arguing for Biden in the primary they deserve to be put on blast as much as Tulsi supporters.
Still, we don't have control over the rest of the Dem base. I hope that the primaries will result in a Sanders or Warren win, but what the hell are we supposed to do if after we do our best to get that result, Biden is still the nominee?
Swallow our pride and vote for the lesser evil. It's pretty simple.
What people tend to overlook with these things, the goverment ain't just the President.
Even if Biden or whoever is at his worst, there is practically no way every single branch of the goverment sucks under him.
And even if he somehow pulls that off Trump style, you still got Democrat states.
Does anyone really think Biden or again whoever would wage a war against the entire Democratic party, despite knowing that cost him dearly, because unlike the Trump party, he doesn't have the entire voting base in his palms.
Aka even worst Biden would bring some progress.
Better and edgier question.
How's it working for you now? The whole dumbass vote I mean.
Closing coal plants/farms. Shit healthcare. No wall. Tax break for the rich. Etc.
Not you directly but the dumb shits.
Not well at all. That's the problem. I saw people on the fence being pushed away by people telling them to STFU and vote for their guy no matter what.
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