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Simon Says Mafia - I would never lie to you, please do what I say
- Thread starter Pedro
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And who would that help? Town? What does town gain from me making a statement like that?
Scum? Well scum does benefit, because they know I am useful (or at least claim to be) and can bump me off before I can be too useful.
So I do have to wonder if your request here is being made with the best interest of town at heart or your own best interests and where those might lie
I think you're misreading that. They're saying Apollo is our other semi-confirmed (or someone else), and she'd also want to hear more from SalvaPot and Flux.
Honestly my current theory is the most obvious one. He is lying about his role, he can't do what he claims he can do, he is claiming now so he won't be killed nor lynched.
Honestly I think he might just be a neutral trying to get to the late game, probably with a kill day ability that can be blocked by Simon, maybe?
Ah, that makes more sense, but I already talked a lot. But sure, I still have more to say.
You want to coast on your PR like DCPat did. You are not solving the game. The only reason you didn't get lynched yesterday is because I said you were a PR and we shouldn't lynch you. And I made sure you got to 5 posts before we lynched DCPat because I wanted you to stay in the game.
I knew you were a PR on night 1. Why kill verelios over you?
The thing though, is why make the claim when Faddy was already being town read. This is what made people want to lynch him to verify it. He wouldn't have been a lynch target without it. That's what brought on the suspicion.
So it's either the truth, or it's a weird gambit to intentionally lay on the suspicion so that people think "he wouldn't possibly do that as scum." Or what Faddy said before, and he was hoping more people would simply go along with it.
Why I think I'll be for lynching Faddy this day phase, until the end, is because I prefer verifying him through a no-lynch than a mislynch.
You are giving scum a free kill if you only want to lynch me to confirm something rather than it be a genuine scum read.
You want to lynch meatwad... the player you were so sure was cop.
Well he is clearly some sort of PR so that is out. He might still be the cop but who knows because he is sitting there dangling his claim when he should actually just confirm it.
Scum will kill someone this night phase regardless of what happens. We're at a point where a mislynch is likely. So instead of 2 townies dying before D4, we could simply have 1 and then having the information provided by your lynch. That's important.
Because that's just how it is. Things are clearly uncertain right now, and even more so with your claim. You don't seem concrete on Meatwad's alignment, yourself. Instead of taking the risk—which it is—we now have a less risky avenue through lynching you which could be rewarding by hitting scum, or rewarding by confirming your power and determining you're town (and also confirming that we do indeed have several no lynch factors at play in this game).
While I would love to find out how you just "knew" I was a PR on night 1, I am done playing this game with you. I am not going to make a claim as I don't believe that is in the best interest of the town. Badgering a townie into roleclaiming is not solving the game either I might add.
This is exactly the reason why I don't buy the claim, since you started talking in no-colors you have pretty much assumed you had the game figured and managable. No way in hell would you make a claim like that unless it was designed to save your hide. Your claim doesn't help town, it helps yourself. It would have just been better, as a town player, to keep it to yourself. You know this. You claimed this early with such a claim to stay in the game as long as possible.
I hope you saw this coming.
Vote: Faddy
I knew you were a PR as soon as I called you cabot's partner and you overreacted to it.
Reading the game is how I knew. It is also the reason I did not put you in a thunderdome, go look at the start of day 2. I explained this.
I thought the reason why you didn't used the thunderdome its because it was too early?
You deduced that much yet you still offered me up as a lynch candidate a page ago. So why were you willing to have town lynch one of their PR's?
It was too early but it still doesn't mean I didn't think about doing it anyway.
You haven't been really playing. I re-evaluated thought I was wrong. It seems like i wasn't
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==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start
Faddy (3 votes)
exodus - #766
FluxWaveZ - #970
SalvaPot - #1,015
exodus (2 votes)
EzekelRAGE - #904
Swamped - #905
Fran (1 votes)
Faddy - #863
Not voting: Fran, Meatwad, TheChuggernaut, malus, Apollo
Post Counts:
Faddy: 72 exodus: 53 TheChuggernaut: 34 Fran: 20 EzekelRAGE: 20 FluxWaveZ: 19 SalvaPot: 18 Swamped: 17 Meatwad: 10 Apollo: 10 malus: 7
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Day Start
Faddy (3 votes)
exodus - #766
FluxWaveZ - #970
SalvaPot - #1,015
exodus (2 votes)
EzekelRAGE - #904
Swamped - #905
Fran (1 votes)
Faddy - #863
Not voting: Fran, Meatwad, TheChuggernaut, malus, Apollo
Post Counts:
Faddy: 72 exodus: 53 TheChuggernaut: 34 Fran: 20 EzekelRAGE: 20 FluxWaveZ: 19 SalvaPot: 18 Swamped: 17 Meatwad: 10 Apollo: 10 malus: 7
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I want Fran lynched.
He is definitely a partner for cabot. An if there is a non-shooting sk then Fran is definitely someone who would do that. He would also kill Verelios.
Jester or not, it wouldn't matter at this point. With the power of Simon from the start, though, I think there would have been easier ways to achieve the goal. Like, creating a Thunderdome with himself and Apollo or something.
I don't think it's worth considering.
Basically to have people remove their votes from him, right? Sure, that's a possibility.
I don't see it with Fran, and I'm not too sure I see it with Salva, but I do get bad vibes from malus.
Doing things = scum. No wonder town lose so many games on here. No one really ever bothers to listen or collaborate on reads, bounce ideas off each other. It is just one series of tunnels after another.
You don't think Fran and cabot have a lot of partner potential?
You don't think Fran's read on DCPat was pretty trash?
You don't think with me unlynchable on night 1 he would certainly target verelios?
You don't think he is being far too obstinate today?
What is your case for Fran being town?
Oh if you are talking about me.
The first thing Fran did was call me neutral because he knows i'm not on his team. At least when you were calling me scum it made sense.
As scum he does not think town has 2 unlychables therefore I must be lying, therefore to him I am almost certainly neutral.
The first thing Fran did was call me neutral because he knows i'm not on his team. At least when you were calling me scum it made sense.
As scum he does not think town has 2 unlychables therefore I must be lying, therefore to him I am almost certainly neutral.
I'm talking about you. If Fran is scum and your claim of being unlynchable is true, then I would think that scum would just save you for a night kill and go after a lynchable townie today.
What's the connection? Arguments between the two with cabot saying that Fran shouldn't be Simon? There's little there, unless you emphasize that the conflict was artificial, similar to cabot's support of Never Forever.
You mean that there was essentially nothing to it? Maybe, but that goes for many of the people who lynched him on D2.
What? Why?
Not really. When I strongly believe someone's lying, I'll do the same.
I don't necessarily town read him, but I definitely don't scum read him. He's really insistent on seeing you lynched today, and it's not like you're a threat to scum if he was. There's no real reason to put himself out like that, especially if he knew for sure you're not scum and we'd discover it ourselves through your lynch.
I think there is good potential for Fran to be with cabot. For two people who were posting the most they really don't have much of an examination of each other. There interactions did feel fake. Swamped thought this too.
He made a bad faith argument about DCPat talking about votes. Accusing him of being scum for not voting when there as only 1 person voting at all.
Look at his own meta of where he wanted Simon to go on day 1. This is who he thinks are strong players
Cabot is dead, I'm unlynchable, he is scum reading swamped. His option there is to lynch Verelios.
Yes, but Verelios was NK'd, not lynched. I thought you were saying that Fran's opinion represented a reason for why Verelios was killed.
Searching for Salva's interactions with Fran is kind of strange.
Salva has a weird tone when he puts him on his read list like he doesn't know how to honestly read his play.
Then the only other interaction is when they are talking about whether or not they believe me.
Salva has a weird tone when he puts him on his read list like he doesn't know how to honestly read his play.
Then the only other interaction is when they are talking about whether or not they believe me.
Then we're on the same page. So you're saying it'd be Verelios because he was the one Fran artificially "town read" through meta? It's not like that was the opinion of the majority. I think it's a weird point to determine why Verelios would have been NK'd.
Oh yeah, speaking of which, why did we decide that the Simon wouldn't outright say who's going to be the next one in this thread? So that scum doesn't kill them or they don't get day killed? Why does that matter? I don't like the idea of passing the power around in the shadows.
Plus, I don't know if I saw what the priority order is. If Simon is NK'd, I assume that the modifier they chose will still go into effect that day.
Plus, I don't know if I saw what the priority order is. If Simon is NK'd, I assume that the modifier they chose will still go into effect that day.
No I'm saying that Verelios dying points to Fran as mafia.
I already showed you his Simon list, basically who he thinks are strong players. With cabot dead (and scum), I was unkillable. That brings it to Swamped and Verelios.
He is scum reading Swamped and sees her as a potential mislynch so he doesn't kill her.
That leaves Verelios. That is why he died on night 1. After losing a partner on day 1 they wanted to eliminate a strong player an verelios is the obvious choice for Fran.
I gets announced at day start anyway.
If you say who is getting it and they kill simon the next simon is randomly picked between eligible players, which means it could go randomly to scum.