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Simon Says Mafia - I would never lie to you, please do what I say

Oct 25, 2017
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Fran attempts to track meatwad.

Scum redirected redirects his track to their killer.

OR

scum switches meatwad with their killer

Something like that. Trackers can be fooled
 
Nov 3, 2017
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Balance wise,
Fran attempts to track meatwad.

Scum redirected redirects his track to their killer.

OR

scum switches meatwad with their killer

Something like that. Trackers can be fooled
Balance wise, you know the main way trackers are fooled? With town powers.
None of our prs have had a movement component with them.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Occam's razor, Apollo. Meatwad is scum.
Possible. I believe zeke and swamped are scum though. We can look into this and if it looks like I’m wrong I’m willing to admit it. I’m just panicking because meatwad tried to vote Fran, and then zeke tried to. We could be fucked if people vote wildly nilly
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm not voting anyone besides Meatwad today.

I won't vote for an unknow when I have a red check. That's crazy.
I get that. But it’s mylo. We need to consider more than just a check. Checks can be fucked with. Roles have counters. We have THREE flips compared to yesterday. We can solve this game. There is NO NEED to rush, and no need to be stubborn. Please let’s look through everything before making a decision.
 
Nov 3, 2017
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Possible. I believe zeke and swamped are scum though. We can look into this and if it looks like I’m wrong I’m willing to admit it. I’m just panicking because meatwad tried to vote Fran, and then zeke tried to. We could be fucked if people vote wildly nilly
Use common sense Apollo.

With our current tow not prs, it wouldn’t make sense for scum to have a switcher.

What would be the purpose? To counter a two shot tracker? None of the town PRs would be hindered by a switcher. That would mean scum switcher had to xshot as well. That is extremely unlikely.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Malus wasn’t the real cop? Scum might still be trying to find them (I assume they don’t exist though) or another PR.

Nobody wants to kill me. Nobody wants to make me Simon. I’ve been a confirmed town since..... day 2. This isn’t new
I could see a bold/risky scum team leaving a confirmed townie alive at lylo, in the hopes that we're all like "how come she's still alive?! Must be scum" and lynch you.

Because you can't be scum. Nobody else claimed that vig shot.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Ok I’m home. Zeke and swamped presumably aren’t scum buddies since they didn’t turbo meatwad, despite both being active within a minute or so of the vote being made. Has swamped claimed before this by any chance?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Miscellaneous thoughts:

Fran’s supposed tracker ability would be the first night ability we’ve seen. Outside of scum’s NK of course. Zeke and Swamped have both claimed VT.

Why would scum!Fran place the first vote on Meatwad? Meatwad wouldn’t be able to be turboed without a townie jumping on, and I’d already expressed caution about doing so myself. This would implicate either him or Meatwad.

Why would town!Fran place the first vote on Meatwad? Even considering the red check, I’d already claimed the possibility of the check being tampered with. By placing the vote before we could go over more posts, he accepted the possibility of a scum turbo. This seems awfully risky.

Why would scum!Meatwad switch off of Fran and onto Salva D4? He took Fran from 3 votes and made Salva have 3 votes. If he’s scum and they’re town, this does nothing but make him look awful. There’s zero motivation for this vote switch.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Honestly it’s obvious to me Fran is scum. Him popping out of nowhere with a late game scum check during mylo claiming a tracker role.

The fact that he’s scum checking a Townie

Ignoring Apollo who is basically confirmed town when she suggested everyone hold their votes and reason this out first.

Ignoring any chance his supposed track could have been tampered with when we know scum have methods to provide trackers with false checks.

It’s clear from his actions that Fran just wants to turbo me and win the game for scum he’s not even being subtle about it now

VOTE: Fran
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Look at these posts and tell me fran and swamped are scum buddies. Arguing with and suspecting each other consistently and frequently over the course of the first two days. Still need to reread further days, but this does seems like it’s going too hard for a bus.

Cabot and Fran butted heads earlier today too. Is Fran town? Should probably re-read.

Fran pushed me to explain 3 of my reads (exodus, Apollo and NF). But didn't push me on my cabot scum read. Why is that Fran?
I don't understand this post, can someone explain to me? I don't understand cabot's reason for not wanting to vote for Fran. Is it something to do with MafiEra? I didn't quite follow that game.

But if so, it's weird that he is so adamant about not voting Fran for a meta reason.



His back-and-forth with Fran is mostly discussing his play style in previous games. Fran defends his play from previous games, but doesn't really push cabot much otherwise in THIS game. Feeling unsure about Fran.



Thinking about Apollo. He was considering voting for her. Hmm this post kinda makes me lean more scum on Apollo.



This is in response to SalvaPot. Not sure what to make of it. Now that cabot has flipped we can attribute this to typical scum busywork. I thought this post was interesting, but I don't think it's alignment indicative.

Faddy why did this post make you scum read cabot (I know there were other posts too, but you called out this one first). I checked the opening again, and he was right.
Mostly because I find other people scummier than they were before, and there can't be more than 3 scum left. Not particularly anything to do with your behavior. So you moved down the list because others moved up. But I probably should give you a re-read.

Can we talk more about Apollo and Fran?
This are the only interactions between Cabot and Swamped:







Which is kinda funny because she is scumreading me, even when I was a town read before Cabot's flip and said that she liked my reads from that, because I didn't pressure too hard on Cabot. I don't see too much pressure from her either. This could be the most vanilla discussion ever.

Also Swamped was a non presence until I called her out for not posting but started playing after Cabot's death. Looks like a scum faking activity after his partner died. It could be RL messing with her before but the timming is too perfect.
I'm not scumreading Swamped for her interactions with Cabot. The kill was 24hs into the game on a day with no lynch so I don't expect anyone to have a hard stance on another player. It's just that she is trying to justify a read on me based on something that she is guilty too. Not only that, everyone but you is guilty of the same.

So to me it seems like she is trying to force a scum read on a player with little arguments and creating fake activity, which is convenient as she was barely a presence before Cabot's flip.
I'm not calling out your interactions with Cabot. I think you are scum because you started truly playing just after Cabot died. Before that you were a non presence in the game but when Faddy started calling Cabot scum you started making reads and pushing people. Also I think your read on me was forced as you had me as town, liked my posts but changed me for scum because of something that everyone else is also guilty of.

Trying to relate me with Exodus doesn't help neither.
Well, I beg to differ, I felt like I was around all day D1. That was actually a high-activity day for me believe it or not! D2 on the other hand...weekends are rough. I think I was playing the same before/after cabot's death, but that is neither here nor there.

I think it was really important that I re-evaluated my stance on you after cabot's death since you were a loud player who was interacting with confirmed scum. It would have been dangerous of me to keep assuming you were town in light of that. In fact, knowing now that Faddy was NOT the vig, I should probably not just assume he's town either.

But there is this interesting post from you that I want to highlight for the other players who are scum reading you right now (so that would be DC, Faddy, and possibly others I'm missing?) :
Basically, you narrowed it down to cabot and Vere. Vere was town. I just feel it would be so risky for scum to want to vote there own for Simon on D1. I think they would want to just keep there heads low and go with the flow.
I didn't narrowed it down to Vere or Cabot. There is an important word there: "meta". This was 12hs into the game with little more than 100 posts. Chugger asked about who could be Simon and, with little content so far, I gave him some meta reads. This is my first game with Meatwad, Apollo and NF and I haven't played with Salva, Exodus or DC since forever.