Yeah, I thought Faddy had claimed the shot already, but it seems he didn't outright state it, so I would like a clarification from him there. I don't see the benefit for Faddy to not claim the shot if he did take it though.
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Simon Says Mafia - I would never lie to you, please do what I say
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Faddy didn't claim. He might as well of, and everyone is just assuming he took the shot anyway, but he didn't straight up say he did.
I can't disagree with someone now?
Faddy was being a Blarg jr all came and finally decided to contribute. Unless his COLOR posts were actually meaningful in some way.
Gotta applaud finally participating with substance.
I feel like you could take that to mean he's just happy about the flip. Anyway, I don't think it's too out there to say it was Faddy though. Either Faddy did, or was someone was really swayed by Faddy's post, and while they were good posts, I don't think they were so good that someone else was willing to use a vig shot because of them. I'm sure scum is just assuming it's Faddy also.
I am not new, however a day vig is a completely new role to me.
Anyways I don't even think I'm going to bother defending myself at this point. Feel free to lynch me day 2. Seems that any game I play I'm bound to end up on all the scum lists anyways. Must be my sketchy ass posting style.
I didnt read that as a claim tbh.Faddy already claimed the shot. How could I be PR fishing when the PR already claimed?
It's not far fectched if you didnt think a vig would shot cabot like that.
If there was a lynch today, then it would be far fetched.
Honestly I didnt think of a neutral doing it. Hmm. A neutral doing the shot does make sense. They wouldnt care for let Cabot explain himself to see if they should shoot or not.
Verelios - town
EzekelRAGE - town
Fran - town
SalvaPot - scum
Meatwad - town
Apollo - town
DCPat - town
Never Forever - scum
TheChuggernaut - town
Faddy - scum
malus - town
Hinging heavily on the theory that Faddy is soft-claiming the vig shot on cabot to become Simon. If that theory were to fall through, then my choices would shift significantly. I wouldn't normally believe that scum would bus that hard early on, but seeing as how we're shooting for potentially the most important role in the game, scum might be willing to risk it to claim Simon.
EzekelRAGE - town
Fran - town
SalvaPot - scum
Meatwad - town
Apollo - town
DCPat - town
Never Forever - scum
TheChuggernaut - town
Faddy - scum
malus - town
Hinging heavily on the theory that Faddy is soft-claiming the vig shot on cabot to become Simon. If that theory were to fall through, then my choices would shift significantly. I wouldn't normally believe that scum would bus that hard early on, but seeing as how we're shooting for potentially the most important role in the game, scum might be willing to risk it to claim Simon.
Scum Faddy screwing around posting colors in all caps only for him to finally break the gimmick to just start hard bussing Scum Cabot so well that an unrelated third person went "Oh yeah, that's a good argument." and shot scum Cabot just seems kind of silly.
Faddy being town just seems like the way more likely answer here
Faddy being town just seems like the way more likely answer here
Probably, I'm just hesitant to give him Simon since the votes are so stacked right now and no one is offering up alternatives. Feels like scum is A-okay with Faddy getting Simon.
Let's pretend the shot never happened.
Would it be too silly then?
yeah, Occam's Razor lol
Cabot was coasting along just fine, you can sense how pissed Faddy was getting that the rest of us were just letting it happen hence the break of character
See Chuggernaut is being completely rational here which is good but also what scum would do.
Zeke is pretty town just for thinking about the shot and how it went down. Scum are much more likely just to fall in line and not argue with a person that they think has a gun. You have to look at people like DCPAT who immediately came in and voted for me after the shot.
I readed that as him admitting that he shot Cabot.
Even if he says that he didn't claimed the shot there I still think that Eze's theory is wrong. Too far fetched and too risky for scum to use D1 after they lost a partner.
Not as silly, but still silly. Cabot was in the running for the role of Simon. I feel like the scum play there would be to either go after me, or throw in some non committal post backing up Cabot. Bussing your scum mate like that just seems weird this early game.
If a vig shows up dead or if we lynch a vig by mistake we can revisit this, but as of right now, I would rather just assume the simpler answer
I will say that I came away from this thinking that Zeke is like my second most likely town. He's clearly thinking about the shot and all of this is just peak Zeke. Good point about DC. He can be slippery as scum
There is nothing scum can do to argue against me being Simon. I have by far the most town equity. They know I am town. Let's be honest this was a pretty uninspiring game until I got involved.
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Mostly because I find other people scummier than they were before, and there can't be more than 3 scum left. Not particularly anything to do with your behavior. So you moved down the list because others moved up. But I probably should give you a re-read.
Can we talk more about Apollo and Fran?
Let's talk about Swamped.
How townie do we think she is being? She was scum reading Cabot but as Zeke points out there isn't a lynch today so it doesn't really matter.
Cabot also made a list of 3 nulls. Me, her and Exodus. Now she already called out exo as scum for it, I personally have him as at own lean right now. So that leaves her as the Rule of 3 partner imo. Also she had a weird reaction to Cabot flipping and then she immediately votes me.
Then she starts asking how I got Cabot as scum. Which is strange because she had him as scum too. Like scum fell in line then realised in their chat "hey maybe it wasn't faddy at all because he never actually claimed the shot". So I don't know what to make of her right now but she is a scum lean.
How townie do we think she is being? She was scum reading Cabot but as Zeke points out there isn't a lynch today so it doesn't really matter.
Cabot also made a list of 3 nulls. Me, her and Exodus. Now she already called out exo as scum for it, I personally have him as at own lean right now. So that leaves her as the Rule of 3 partner imo. Also she had a weird reaction to Cabot flipping and then she immediately votes me.
Then she starts asking how I got Cabot as scum. Which is strange because she had him as scum too. Like scum fell in line then realised in their chat "hey maybe it wasn't faddy at all because he never actually claimed the shot". So I don't know what to make of her right now but she is a scum lean.
This are the only interactions between Cabot and Swamped:
Which is kinda funny because she is scumreading me, even when I was a town read before Cabot's flip and said that she liked my reads from that, because I didn't pressure too hard on Cabot. I don't see too much pressure from her either. This could be the most vanilla discussion ever.
Also Swamped was a non presence until I called her out for not posting but started playing after Cabot's death. Looks like a scum faking activity after his partner died. It could be RL messing with her before but the timming is too perfect.
Which is kinda funny because she is scumreading me, even when I was a town read before Cabot's flip and said that she liked my reads from that, because I didn't pressure too hard on Cabot. I don't see too much pressure from her either. This could be the most vanilla discussion ever.
Also Swamped was a non presence until I called her out for not posting but started playing after Cabot's death. Looks like a scum faking activity after his partner died. It could be RL messing with her before but the timming is too perfect.
If it's a good point against me, it's also a good point against you Chugger.
But I don't really agree on it being a good point. Like Faddy said himself, there is no real argument against voting him Simon. He can be stubborn, but meh. Towniest guy around.
Yea Faddy, scum is so afraid for your they are going to give u immunity. They would have to think you are one-shot, but then why are they afraid for your gun if it doesn't have bullets?
I mean scum aren't getting any warning on that shot either and the thread was pretty quiet.
Fran here is your scum equity from my perspective. You also have a lot of null/vanilla interactions with Cabot. If you were partners it is how I think you would act since both of you are prime candidates to be Simon. Both of you got votes for a similar role in Mafiera. It is kind of awkward.
Where it goes in your favour imo is you were willing to go in depth about mafiera and how great you were etc which felt genuine. Another point in your favour is your frustration with the game state. I said this when I was talking about scum Cabot but reading the thread I thought you two were the top presences in the game but had completely differing attitudes to how it was going.
I don't know how. I've never been scum before lol.
And I'm just keeping my options open. Cabot being scum has given me a bit more to go on, but we still don't have very much information on who to rule out. Looking at the people that came in and voted Faddy isn't a bad place to look even though that also kind of includes me. You're pretty low on my list of players I would vote for though and if we were going off that list I would go for Swamped
I'm saying if Swamped is scum she is actively prodding me to make sure I was the shooter. You are doing the same thing. And you weren't around when Cabot died so you have more time to craft a response that goes against me.
I think it is unlikely you are Mafia tbh. But if you are going to post wild theories about me being scum then it is only fair you get some back.
I'm not scumreading Swamped for her interactions with Cabot. The kill was 24hs into the game on a day with no lynch so I don't expect anyone to have a hard stance on another player. It's just that she is trying to justify a read on me based on something that she is guilty too. Not only that, everyone but you is guilty of the same.
So to me it seems like she is trying to force a scum read on a player with little arguments and creating fake activity, which is convenient as she was barely a presence before Cabot's flip.
Timing I can understand. But I havent been prodding you to make sure you were the shooter. Ive argued that the shooter doesnt matter and shouldnt come forward. In my theory, you arent even the shooter.
uhm...ok?
I'm saying you are scum for your interactions with Cabot. And that swamped isn't being completely unreasonable to have you on her scum list.
Realistically, why would that theory matter today when we're choosing Simon? After Cabot died Faddy was always most likely town so it's WIFOM at best unless someone claims, and if you don't want people to claim then don't...make theories of them being or not being vig?
Idk what you are arguing. You want me to push for vig to claim?
There is a mistake in your argument:
I didn't get a single vote in Mafiera. Not only noone voted for me but also several people were completly against that I get the role (mostly Monkey, and she were scum, but I remember a couple of more). I even joked about it when I claimed Overrider.
I also don't think that I was a prime candidate here for Simon. Noone even mentioned me as a possibility. And Cabot was against it, which made me call him out because his argument was really weak.
The benefit is that Faddy either is, or is not vig. Town doesn't know and scum doesn't know. I can think of two advantages just based on that so saying there's no benefit is incorrect.
I'm saying the initial argument of whether Faddy was really the one to take the shot was pointless today because it can't be solved without a claim.
Yeah. She was a strong town read for me early on but on listening to people on this page and looking back at the post history I'm rethinking my stance.
Especially not a fan of this:
In terms of probability, of course scum is nearly always amongst the coasters. Scum is also amongst town leaders, chaotic players, etc... There isn't a single scum archetype and we pretty much see all of them every game. To single out coasters is to single out a target that Swamped wants to cast doubt on. I see this as scum play.
Let's drop the Faddy = scum aspect. Zeke's taking it on and I kind of entertained it as a possibility, hoping scum would try to latch on to it to bring the votes away from Faddy. Not seeing it happen at all.
In any case, here's my final vote.
Vote: Faddy
I like to play devil's advocate and entertain the less likely possibilities, but I do think I'm overthinking things here and I'll go with the most likely townie we have.
In any case, here's my final vote.
Vote: Faddy
I like to play devil's advocate and entertain the less likely possibilities, but I do think I'm overthinking things here and I'll go with the most likely townie we have.
This theory is effectively that, except more subtle. It's WIFOM without a claim, and seems to be pushing one to debunk it.
QUOTE="EzekelRAGE, post: 17894768, member: 30470"]It was odd faddy randomly started posting normal and just happened to point out scum.
Scum faddy and scum Cabot get into a back and forth. No matter what happens, neither can be lynched,maybe one comes out cleaner after the back and forth.
Then boom shot outta nowhere
Ends the scum vs scum back and forth that was meant for show.
Although scum is down one. The other scum gets a load of town points.[/QUOTE]
She already casted shade on me and I was among the coasters, so I assumed it would be me since I was already on just about everyone's scum list.
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No it isn't asking for a claim. You are reading it wrong. Especially since I have posts saying not to claim.