Simon Says Mafia - I would never lie to you, please do what I say

Fran · Feb 18, 2019

I already checked that and Pedro posted the flip D2 8 minutes after the final votecount. And there is no flavor so it could be.

D1 Pedro posted the flip (?) 6 minutes after the votecount and there is a lot of flavor so it would be unlikely but D1 we didn't lynched anyone so maybe he couldn't use his power. Also Faddy was in the lead so maybe Pedro has it pretyped.

It could be true. I just don't believe that we have 2 townie lynchproofs.

FluxWaveZ · Feb 18, 2019

SalvaPot said:
It depends on the player actually been there to use an override. The whole point of the forum mafia game is having some leeway to participate without having to be glued to the screen.

Imagine if Faddy was voted while it was 4am at his timezone, then what, would Pedro stop the whole game until he waked up to save himself? And also, the role is not limited to him, he can save ANYONE. But it has to be on twilight face and within 5 minutes. Come on.

Pretty sure someone got frustrated in Mansion and vented in the ResetEra Mafia thread for this reason. And cabot here got shot without any chance at defending himself. This isn't a reason to distrust the claim.

Faddy · Feb 18, 2019

The time from day end to the flip is what matters.

And it will never be less than 5 minutes no matter what my power is because it takes that long to get everything organised.

In Monopoly where I was doing things as fast as I could it was still around 10 minutes before I could write up everything, check I got all the details correct etc before posting the reveal.

SalvaPot · Feb 18, 2019

FluxWaveZ said:
Pretty sure someone got frustrated in Mansion and vented in the ResetEra Mafia thread for this reason. And cabot here got shot without any chance at defending himself. This isn't a reason to distrust the claim.

No reason? I'm just pointing out one of the inconsistencies with it, since everyone else already pointed a few of them. Really? No Reason?

Fran · Feb 18, 2019

SalvaPot said:
It depends on the player actually been there to use an override. The whole point of the forum mafia game is having some leeway to participate without having to be glued to the screen.

Imagine if Faddy was voted while it was 4am at his timezone, then what, would Pedro stop the whole game until he waked up to save himself? And also, the role is not limited to him, he can save ANYONE. But it has to be on twilight face and within 5 minutes. Come on.

We had roles that could resurrect players with a small timeframe (Overwatch and Arkham had them, maybe some others too) but that timeframe was 2 hours before day started.

5 minutes is really tight in forum mafia and I don't have a clue how would that work with someone like FEP or Stan (like it would be at 5AM for FEP).

FluxWaveZ · Feb 18, 2019

SalvaPot said:
No reason? I'm just pointing out one of the inconsistencies with it, since everyone else already pointed a few of them. Really? No Reason?

I'm not saying there isn't a reason to distrust the claim. I'm saying that what you presented in that quote isn't one of them. Obviously, it could be a lie, and I'm not fully on board with it, either.

SalvaPot · Feb 18, 2019

Fran said:
We had roles that could resurrect players with a small timeframe (Overwatch and Arkham had them, maybe some others too) but that timeframe was 2 hours before day started.

5 minutes is really tight in forum mafia and I don't have a clue how would that work with someone like FEP or Stan (like it would be at 5AM for FEP).

Its also kind of a silly power to give a town member. Its pretty much the same as a escape artist, only that you won't know if you are actually saving a town or a scum player. By that point it would only help if someone decide to claim REALLY late before getting lynched and Faddy decided to believe him instead of watching his flip. And overiding himself, well, again, the same as escape artist and he will probably get killed, just like DCPat.

Its pretty much the same role with extra steps.

EzekelRAGE · Feb 18, 2019

Faddys claim is interesting:

1. He didn't need to claim. Seems weak, he could've just let ppl make a case onhim and see how it turned out, then TADA. I'm still alive.

But it seems he claimed to get ahead of continuing to be scumread.

2. As already stated, that doesn't mesh well with dc's role. It seems we have an Simon rule and dc to counter cabot, now we have another lynchproof person?

3. The 5 minute in between twilight doesn't gel with me. That seems like too tight of a window. I only experienced a governor once, in kingdom hearts mafia. In there the governor was a day command you could use at any point during the day it HAD to be b4 the day ended.

I think we should test the claim and not let it linger for too long. One thing we could do is test the claim, see then no lynch, then discuss in the night phase.

EzekelRAGE · Feb 18, 2019

4. Faddy also said he is only using it on himself, so nothing really loss in that area.

EzekelRAGE · Feb 18, 2019

EzekelRAGE said:
3. The 5 minute in between twilight doesn't gel with me. That seems like too tight of a window. I only experienced a governor once, in kingdom hearts mafia. In there the governor was a day command you could use at any point during the day it HAD to be b4 the day ended.
.

Going more in on this. It had to be before a majority was reached as well. If either happened the power could no longer be used.

Faddy · Feb 18, 2019

People need to stop being mean to Pedro's game design.

Monkey had a similar power in the Invitational. Unfortunately our gamerunner Ouro didn't bother flipping mine and monkey's roles once we won. But day 2 post day end she used her override on Blarg to much hilarity.

no u:Blargonaut

SalvaPot · Feb 18, 2019

Well, there IS a downside if we vote Faddy out. And that is that if it results in a No Lynch, then we don't get a flip, and we didn't lynch a potential scum player.

If we don't vote him out, scum will ignore him almost for sure. And if he is scum, then damn that was a perfect role to claim.

Honestly, it makes far more sense to claim this as scum now, since it would be better for a town player to save it for later. Hell, he is so adamant about his reads that he could have used to, say, save his cop meatwad in the late game. No way a player like Faddy would believe this was a useless role.

Faddy · Feb 18, 2019

Vote: Fran

TheChuggernaut · Feb 18, 2019

I believe Faddy and I'm pretty against testing out his power. I think it's a waste of time especially because anyone who thinks he lying isn't going to buy it even if he ends up not getting lynched. This could could get us lost for a few days and I think I would rather just look elsewhere.

Faddy · Feb 18, 2019

SalvaPot said:
Well, there IS a downside if we vote Faddy out. And that is that if it results in a No Lynch, then we don't get a flip, and we didn't lynch a potential scum player.

If we don't vote him out, scum will ignore him almost for sure. And if he is scum, then damn that was a perfect role to claim.

Honestly, it makes far more sense to claim this as scum now, since it would be better for a town player to save it for later. Hell, he is so adamant about his reads that he could have used to, say, save his cop meatwad in the late game. No way a player like Faddy would believe this was a useless role.

Not really. If get to a final 6 or 4 and I am alive I will have to prove my claim.

EzekelRAGE · Feb 18, 2019

TheChuggernaut said:
I believe Faddy and I'm pretty against testing out his power. I think it's a waste of time especially because anyone who thinks he lying isn't going to buy it even if he ends up not getting lynched. This could could get us lost for a few days and I think I would rather just look elsewhere.

Meh I'd buy it as him being town. Has there ever been a scum lynchproof?

TheChuggernaut · Feb 18, 2019

EzekelRAGE said:
Meh I'd buy it as him being town. Has there ever been a scum lynchproof?

I dunno. Never even played in a game with a lynch proof

EzekelRAGE · Feb 18, 2019

Faddy said:
Not really. If get to a final 6 or 4 and I am alive I will have to prove my claim.

You say that now, but I doubt it would be as simple as you just rolling over and doing.

exodus · Feb 18, 2019

I think it's a waste to lynch Faddy now. I'm somewhat inclined to believe him, but if I weren't, I'd lynch him during a Simon roleblock to be sure.

Faddy · Feb 18, 2019

exodus said:
I think it's a waste to lynch Faddy now. I'm somewhat inclined to believe him, but if I weren't, I'd lynch him during a Simon roleblock to be sure.

I think I get roleblocked in that scenario. Idk if DCPat would have since he didn't need to input a command. He was naturally lynch proof. Like roleblocking a bulletproof player doesn't work.

Roleblock has to be activated tonight regardless. That will mean (hopefully) a deathless night on night 4.

exodus · Feb 18, 2019

Does roleblock count during the night? Or just the day?

Faddy · Feb 18, 2019

Although reading it now it doesn't seem like Simon powers last into the night or at least it isn't clear.

In that case roleblock would only block the day vig and not me since I have a post day power. I assumed it lasts into the night but doesn't say that at all.

Tonight

Click to expand...

Click to shrink...

, you will be able to choose one of the powers below to activate on the next Day:

So a day only roleblock is kind of weird.

Fran · Feb 18, 2019

TheChuggernaut said:
I dunno. Never even played in a game with a lynch proof

And now you are playing a game with 2!!!

It's simple. Just think this: Why both DCPat and Faddy has similar OP roles?

TheChuggernaut · Feb 18, 2019

Fran said:
And now you are playing a game with 2!!!

It's simple. Just think this: Why both DCPat and Faddy has similar OP roles?

Someone pointed this out earlier, but I'm thinking this is a counter for scum getting the thunderdome if anything.

Faddy · Feb 18, 2019

Fran said:
And now you are playing a game with 2!!!

It's simple. Just think this: Why both DCPat and Faddy has similar OP roles?

You are talking like I have been counter claimed. I gave this info willingly.

You aren't even trying to solve the game.

TheChuggernaut · Feb 18, 2019

I buy Exodus being skeptical, but I'm not sure about the people who jumped of Faddy after him. It feels opportunistic. Not feeling super great about Salva and Fran right now.

exodus · Feb 18, 2019

I think scum may have more powers similar to cabot's. I'd expect there are other day powers that can influence voting if we do indeed have 2 lynchproof.

exodus · Feb 18, 2019

TheChuggernaut said:
I buy Exodus being skeptical, but I'm not sure about the people who jumped of Faddy after him. It feels opportunistic. Not feeling super great about Salva and Fran right now.

Salva isn't wrong in his reasoning. If he is scum, he couldn't have made a better claim. For better or for worse, he's basically made himself unlynchable.

Fran · Feb 18, 2019

Faddy said:
You are talking like I have been counter claimed. I gave this info willingly.

You aren't even trying to solve the game.

How not? I'm trying to solve your claim or you are not part of the game?

And you already has been counterclaimed by DCPat, who have already flipped. Are you kidding me?

Faddy · Feb 18, 2019

exodus said:
I think scum may have more powers similar to cabot's. I'd expect there are other day powers that can influence voting if we do indeed have 2 lynchproof.

I guess it would have blocked cabot, Apollo and me. And maybe DCPat.

I kind of just glossed over that because I was never using roleblock because I assumed it would stop people's night actions. But it doesn't seem like it does.

Faddy · Feb 18, 2019

Fran said:
How not? I'm trying to solve your claim or you are not part of the game?

And you already has been counterclaimed by DCPat, who have already flipped. Are you kidding me?

No. He died first then I gave my power. That isn't a counterclaim.

SalvaPot · Feb 18, 2019

TheChuggernaut said:
I believe Faddy and I'm pretty against testing out his power. I think it's a waste of time especially because anyone who thinks he lying isn't going to buy it even if he ends up not getting lynched. This could could get us lost for a few days and I think I would rather just look elsewhere.

Of course you'll say that, he gave you Simon so in your eyes he either has to be town or he is your partner.

exodus · Feb 18, 2019

While Fran is pushing a bit hard and I'm suspicious, I'd really like to hear from meatwad and Malus. Don't think they've even chimed in since the day start.

TheChuggernaut · Feb 18, 2019

SalvaPot said:
Of course you'll say that, he gave you Simon so in your eyes he either has to be town or he is your partner.

This is a weird argument to discredit someone

exodus · Feb 18, 2019

SalvaPot said:
Of course you'll say that, he gave you Simon so in your eyes he either has to be town or he is your partner.

I could buy that either of them if scum. But I don't buy that both of them are.

I didn't really like Chugg's play day 2. Just some random questions asked and claimed a bunch of people as possibly town, but hasn't taken a stance against anyone yet. Just seems very coasty. But I haven't played with him before, and he did pick the most town friendly Simon power today.

TheChuggernaut · Feb 18, 2019

exodus said:
I could buy that either of them if scum. But I don't buy that both of them are.

I didn't really like Chugg's play day 2. Just some random questions asked and claimed a bunch of people as possibly town, but hasn't taken a stance against anyone yet. Just seems very coasty. But I haven't played with him before, and he did pick the most town friendly Simon power today.

I got kind of lost day 2, not going to lie. One of my biggest scum reads was barely here and the other one convinced me she was probably not scum, and I just wasn't super sure about my other reads for the rest of the day

SalvaPot · Feb 18, 2019

TheChuggernaut said:
This is a weird argument to discredit someone

Let me phrase it into a question, why do you think Faddy gave you Simon?

Fran · Feb 18, 2019

Faddy said:
No. He died first then I gave my power. That isn't a counterclaim.

LOL.

I'm done. This is stupid. There is no way that Faddy is town and we already have a flip that proves it.

This is town being town as always.

Faddy · Feb 18, 2019

Fran said:
LOL.

I'm done. This is stupid. There is no way that Faddy is town and we already have a flip that proves it.

This is town being town as always.

You think I roleclaim after DCPat's flip to get lynched for this kind of low level reasoning. Get outta here Fran.

This is actually you being bad and not re-evaluating. You haven't been town in the past couple of days anyway and this isn't helping your cause either.

EzekelRAGE · Feb 18, 2019

exodus what are your feelings now on faddy?

Faddy · Feb 18, 2019

EzekelRAGE said:
exodus what are your feelings now on faddy?

exodus said:
I think it's a waste to lynch Faddy now. I'm somewhat inclined to believe him, but if I weren't, I'd lynch him during a Simon roleblock to be sure.

EzekelRAGE · Feb 18, 2019

Noted

EzekelRAGE · Feb 18, 2019

Exo why would you want to lynch faddy in a roleblock day?

EzekelRAGE · Feb 18, 2019

Faddy said:
Although reading it now it doesn't seem like Simon powers last into the night or at least it isn't clear.

In that case roleblock would only block the day vig and not me since I have a post day power. I assumed it lasts into the night but doesn't say that at all.

So a day only roleblock is kind of weird.

Maybe it means it activates the next day and night?

N3, Simon uses rb. D4/n4, all actions blocked.

EzekelRAGE · Feb 18, 2019

exodus said:
I voice my opinions yesterday. The lynch was too easy with no opposition from potential teammates. It's not hard to see why DC went willingly to his death, considering his ability.

Anyways, I'm not beating around this anymore.

Vote: Faddy

That's weak reasoning for you townrrading
dc.

exodus said:
Kind of feels like a scum power and not a town power to me, tbh.

To me, the power for scum is too
strong.

exodus said:
My problem, and there is where the convenience of the claim continues, is that Faddy claim's there's no confirmation from using his power.

That means he could very well be scum with the same power. The only way to be sure is to lynch twice.

Double lynch doesn't make sense and wasted time. So it seems you want faddy doubly
killed.

EzekelRAGE · Feb 18, 2019

exodus said:
I was wondering what the use of Faddy's power would be, and there is a good reason for that role to be in this game. If scum thunderdomes 2 towns, it's a good way to shut it down. So I'd give some points to Faddy for that.

Still don't agree with the early reveal.

Is this your only reasoning for going from lynching faddy to town reading him? You made several posts in regards to seeing him lynched.

exodus · Feb 18, 2019

I'm honestly not going to bother responding to you anymore. If you want to throw shade my way so be it.

SalvaPot · Feb 19, 2019

So FluxWaveZ , are you up to date? Can I vote you know?

FluxWaveZ · Feb 19, 2019

SalvaPot said:
So FluxWaveZ , are you up to date? Can I vote you know?

More or less, yeah. I know you suspected Never Forever as one of your top scum reads next to exodus. Why is that?

SalvaPot · Feb 19, 2019

FluxWaveZ said:
More or less, yeah. I know you suspected Never Forever as one of your top scum reads next to exodus. Why is that?

Aww man, I already posted my thoughts on Never Forever. I'll go back and pick them up for you but I don't wanna.

I really liked how you setup another question directed at me, but the answer is right there~ right there~

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