I said over and over that his claim made no sense as a scum play. Coupled that with Faddy being one of two players that had done something clearly pro town this entire game and yeah, I was pretty sure he was town.
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Simon Says Mafia - I would never lie to you, please do what I say
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I said over and over that his claim made no sense as a scum play. Coupled that with Faddy being one of two players that had done something clearly pro town this entire game and yeah, I was pretty sure he was town.
This is Chugger reaction after people started calling out Faddy for his role:
When asked what he thought about 2 unlynchables he says this:
And when someone points out that town has other ways to deal with the thunderdome he answer:
He acknowledges that town Faddy's role was not a counter to the thunderdome but he still don't doubt the claim.
He didn't posted anything when we talked about all the rolefishing.
And this 2 caught my attention:
When Faddy asked to lynch Meatwad to prove his role (which made no sense) he said this:
He also used the same words as Faddy to describe Exodus:
To me it seemed that he really tried to suck up to Faddy. He never questioned his claims or how he played, just accepted everything and followed him with everything that he said. He even voted DCPat D2 after Faddy asked him to vote for him even when he said that he didn't liked it.
When asked what he thought about 2 unlynchables he says this:
And when someone points out that town has other ways to deal with the thunderdome he answer:
He acknowledges that town Faddy's role was not a counter to the thunderdome but he still don't doubt the claim.
He didn't posted anything when we talked about all the rolefishing.
And this 2 caught my attention:
When Faddy asked to lynch Meatwad to prove his role (which made no sense) he said this:
He also used the same words as Faddy to describe Exodus:
To me it seemed that he really tried to suck up to Faddy. He never questioned his claims or how he played, just accepted everything and followed him with everything that he said. He even voted DCPat D2 after Faddy asked him to vote for him even when he said that he didn't liked it.
EzekelRAGE
So I went back and looked at the players who put Malus in the thunderdome and unless I missed someone, it's you, me, Fran, Salva, Swamped, Exodus, and Apollo.
So of those 7, I obviously don't scum read myself, and Apollo is not scum. I still feel pretty good about Swamped and I'm still leaning town on Exodus too, so I would say the others that could be scum there are you and Fran.
So I went back and looked at the players who put Malus in the thunderdome and unless I missed someone, it's you, me, Fran, Salva, Swamped, Exodus, and Apollo.
So of those 7, I obviously don't scum read myself, and Apollo is not scum. I still feel pretty good about Swamped and I'm still leaning town on Exodus too, so I would say the others that could be scum there are you and Fran.
Here is Chugger vote D2:
Man, you went along with that DC lynch just the same as I did. Don't give me that.
And why would I need to suck up to Faddy if scum team was going to kill him.
Because scum would hope town would focus more on people critical of Faddy as potential suspects post death?
Not that I'm making an accusation here. It's just an observation
I'm fully on board with you on this one.
Not leaning more towards one or the other right now, but this is how I feel. Both of them have been trying to build a similar case against malus as "null, but potentially leaning towards scum" for a while now, and have been building similar cases against exodus with Fran trying to establish a connection between exodus and cabot, and exodus having been one of Salva's top scum reads (along with my predecessor).
I don't buy it.
What do t you like about my reasoning for putting malus in the td?
It's not so much your reasoning it's more that you just haven't done anything that screams town to me. I'm not going to looking at you much during this day phase though, I just can't rule you out yet
Swamped, Malus, and Chugg are my top scum currently.
Swamped especially so. She kept talking as if she was good with the Faddy lynch but she kept trying to find a reason to start a lynch train against someone else. She went in on me when I started getting some heat.
I think she's scum and didn't want to waste a lynch on an unlynchable. She avoided the thunderdome because we were too on the nose with our picks.
You could argue that she was playing pro town by asking for input on her Simon power, but I think that's just intelligent play by an experienced player.
Thoughts?
Vote: Swamped
Swamped especially so. She kept talking as if she was good with the Faddy lynch but she kept trying to find a reason to start a lynch train against someone else. She went in on me when I started getting some heat.
I think she's scum and didn't want to waste a lynch on an unlynchable. She avoided the thunderdome because we were too on the nose with our picks.
You could argue that she was playing pro town by asking for input on her Simon power, but I think that's just intelligent play by an experienced player.
Thoughts?
Vote: Swamped
I don't agree that Salva is scum. He was early-ish on the lynch train on Faddy. I am maintaining that I don't think scum wanted Faddy lynched. But hey, Salva is a long time player and he could certainly fool me.
I'm coming up with theories but my brain hurts from all the WIFOM.
I'm coming up with theories but my brain hurts from all the WIFOM.
LOL
LMAO.
So that is your move.
Honestly, I am with you on this one and those are my 3 top picks now. I absolutely ABSOLUTELY dislike having to be againsst Swamped because she is one of my favorite players but damn do I dislike her not going for the thunderdome, I honestly wouldn´t have mind at all if I was picked for it, it was the best move for this day I think BECAUSE we all had input on it and we kinda knew scum was going to target faddy.
My suspicion on malus is not new and I can elaborate on it, he has been coasting and throwing shade around, but honestly he has fixated on me and of course I don't like that. Of all 3, he used to be my top but now I'll see he is the les likely to be scum.
I wanted to put a vote up first because right now its the best way to do it, no train to take advantage on and I wanted reactions and reactions I got.
Goddamit chuggs I have called you zeke light for a while now, but last day and night I noticed something. You are just light light. You rarely commited to anything and just parroted what everyone else said, rarely trying to get in anyones sight, posting a looot but really just shaking the pot but not dipping his tortilla on the heat.
Its weird that exodus has become a town read for me, but he played last day in a way I can only see a townie play.
Swampy, please tell me you are not scum. Please tell me why you didn't thunderdome. Uggh.
Vote: Swamped
I would vote Fran over salva if it was a TD. Fran was in the same boat as malus in regards to the faddy claim.
Salva, i havent been paying much attention to tbh. I remember on day 2 that I made a mental note that his posts seemed fillery/focused mostly on mechanical talk.
Can I get a summary from on both?
You mentiioned salva, is Fran lumped in with the faddy lynch train as well?
meaning since fran was pushing faddy, you don't think he is scum either?
Somewhat. Fran was pushing Faddy hard but Faddy did call out that Fran was calling him a neutral. I need to go back and reread that. Not completely sure about Fran, but he's not on my scum list right now.
It's not weird at all. He's one of the few that agree with you, so you're trying to pocket him. You guys are just being transparent now.
Swamped has an exchange with Faddy that makes it pretty obvious why she didn't thunderdome. You aren't even trying with this.
Salva has been posting basically nothing but filler the entire game aside from his pretty weak Malus read that just feels like something someone would say on day 1 and not 4 days into the game. I think Faddy laid out a pretty good case for Fran earlier.
I think I'll lynch myself out of shame for being awful at reads...which may in fact be the case. They're currently in my top towns so I'd probably have to throw in my other top town: Zeke.
You might be right. I'm gonna take a break for the evening and come back with fresh reads later.
I gave my reasons to vote DC. Yours were parroting Faddy's.
And you are not the only one scum member left. Maybe the others didn't wanted to leave a confirmed townie alive.
This can't be coincidence:
Just look at the reads Faddy posted (post #1026):
And now looks at the reads that Chugger posted (post #1068)
See something similar? They are basically the same reads.
And now he wants to be town leader like Faddy forcing us to choose between two options:
Even when he didn't make a case about why I'm scum and is actually afraid to do it:
He just spend all game parroting Faddy and sucking up to him.
vote:TheChuggernaut
Oh, come one now. Who is my teammate then, if you are so sure I'm scum?
And what if I am town, when would that put you?
Hell, I'll help you out, if I flip and I´m town, you are obvious scum them. Makes sense, right?
You only latched on to me today because I made a vote first~
Fran. I think I've made this pretty clear.
If you're town then I'm probably dead. It's a good thing you aren't
I latched onto you because that was a weak read. I've also had you in my "lean scum" list since day 2, but it seems that you "forgot" that. And now you're scum reading Swamped? Since when? And over the thunderdome thing that she gave a reason for?
I don't need a defense when you don't have a case. You posted me and Faddy using the same term and two read list that seem similar if you squint. Cool.
What? When did I said that?
During the night phase I said that both you and him were my top scum:
I still want to lynch either of you today. I just think we have a better chance catching scum with you but if your lynch is unlikely and Malus's is I will vote for him.
Heading to bed now but bah I super messed up. Real [insert mafia username] moment there. It didn't even occur to me that this no turbo power would have been extremely useful in lylo. Ughbhhhhhdd just lynch me already
Faddy above convinced me not to thunderdome, but I really should have. Hoping the next person does as that's probably the only chance we get.
Uhhjjjjjhhhghjhggh this is going down as number 7 in my Top 10 Mafiera Regrets. I take full blame for this, but I sure wish someone had taken the chance to tell me during the night phase...
Faddy above convinced me not to thunderdome, but I really should have. Hoping the next person does as that's probably the only chance we get.
Uhhjjjjjhhhghjhggh this is going down as number 7 in my Top 10 Mafiera Regrets. I take full blame for this, but I sure wish someone had taken the chance to tell me during the night phase...
I mean, literally everyone gave you thunderdome recommendations. Even you said your picks.
I'm convinced there is scum between TheChuggernaut and Swamped though I don't think they both are. Right now I'm more suspicious of TheChuggernaut. As I said yesterday, scum would not want to lynch Faddy, since it would probably result in a no lynch and they can't use him for distraction today. TheChuggernauts defense today hasn't really convinced me. What made you town read Faddy this much that you would follow him to vote for Meatwad who Faddy himself said may have a power role? This seems very opportunistic to me where you can say that Faddy was first to suggest this move.
vote: TheChuggernaut
vote: TheChuggernaut
That was a D1 read. We are at D4 now. I have changed my reads for Exo since that time. I think he is town. I also think that Swamped is town. If she were scum she would have used the thunderdome between 2 townies today. She fucked up but it reads as a town fuck up. Apollo is town.
If Chugger is scum Meatwad and Salva aren't. Chugger jumped quickly to Faddy's suggestion of lynching him so I don't think they are partners. Now is trying to create a thunderdome (when there is no need to do it, he is just trying to consolidate votes early in the day) between me and Salva. I don't believe that he would put a scum partner in that thunderdome.
I think the scum team is Chugger, Malus and someone else. Maybe Zeke or you, but that depends of Chugger's flip.
This reads as fake concern. Why choose the turbo?
If you didnt want to choose TD, why not the rb one to save us a kill tonight?
I can see a world where scum would not choose the turbo to set up this type of response.
I'm not sure this is really the case. As Swamped said herself, no turbo would be devastating for scum in lylo, since they can't rush the lynch. So they could get rid of it now in case Swamped gets lynched and scum loses access to Simon. If she survives, she can easily hand the power to her teammate who can then activate a thunderdome.
But we won't be in mylo/lylo in the next day phase (I hope), so maybe they prioritize getting the no turbo out of the way.
Handing the power off is a day action. Swamped can hand the power off weather she survived or not
Lmao Fran. You jump on me for using the same pharse as Faddy and then turn around and use the same pharse that I did. Oh, and it's the same switch on Exodus that Salva has
Malus, my man. You are doing backflips on that Faddy thing. Again, your premise is completely wrong. Scum would think he's lying too and think they could push for an easy lynch there. Do me a favor and honestly think about the game with that in a mind.
If scum has 3 members and we mislynch today we are in mylo.
What? I didn't. I called you out because both of you used the exact words "wrong town". I never called him out that.
And your argument is wrong. Why would Faddy lie if he were town? And they knew that he wasn't scum so they have no doubts that he isn't lying.