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Simon Says Mafia - I would never lie to you, please do what I say
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I talked about this for a long while, people should start reading my posts. At first I didn't believe that Faddy was lying, because what would be the point of lying about that role so I thought that he must have it. But the problem is that there is no way that a game is balanced with 2 town unlynchables in a 14 players game. An unlynchable is really OP as it rewards town for fucking things up. A game with not one but 2 is crazy. And I'm not the only one that thought that, just look at what Swamped posted. Just look at what Faddy posted. Even him said that it made no sense, and he had the role.
Again, because there is no way that a game is balanced when town can fuck up not once but twice and instead of being punished with a lynch is rewarded with a confirmed townie. Does that makes sense?
That's not true. I made a point when I said that I was very dissapointed about the design of this game. I was just pissed. It's not fun to win a game when you are rewarded for screwing up.
If it was so obvious that I would kill Faddy, why would I do it? Why would I incriminate myself like that?
Also I started doubting Faddy when he said that he had a 5 minutes window to use that role. I couldn't believe that someone could approved that. What did they expected of people that live in a different timezone like FEP or Stan to do with that role? Wake up at 4AM to use it? And in case of a hammer? The player has to be reading the game 24/7?
I never expected that a condition like that would be approved. That's why I asked him if the governor command could be used during the day and just end it with a no lynch, like an override. I was wrong.
I never expected that a condition like that would be approved. That's why I asked him if the governor command could be used during the day and just end it with a no lynch, like an override. I was wrong.
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==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start
Fran (3 votes)
FluxWaveZ - #1,410
EzekelRAGE - #1,478
TheChuggernaut - #1,482
Swamped (2 votes)
exodus - #1,412
SalvaPot - #1,418
TheChuggernaut (2 votes)
Fran - #1,427
malus - #1,438
malus (1 votes)
SalvaPot - #1,383 #1,418
Swamped - #1,511
SalvaPot (0 votes)
TheChuggernaut - #1,391 #1,482
Not voting: Meatwad, Apollo
Post Counts:
TheChuggernaut: 63 Fran: 28 EzekelRAGE: 25 FluxWaveZ: 22 SalvaPot: 11 Swamped: 8 exodus: 7 malus: 7 Meatwad: 6 Apollo: 4
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Day Start
Fran (3 votes)
FluxWaveZ - #1,410
EzekelRAGE - #1,478
TheChuggernaut - #1,482
Swamped (2 votes)
exodus - #1,412
SalvaPot - #1,418
TheChuggernaut (2 votes)
Fran - #1,427
malus - #1,438
malus (1 votes)
Swamped - #1,511
SalvaPot (0 votes)
Not voting: Meatwad, Apollo
Post Counts:
TheChuggernaut: 63 Fran: 28 EzekelRAGE: 25 FluxWaveZ: 22 SalvaPot: 11 Swamped: 8 exodus: 7 malus: 7 Meatwad: 6 Apollo: 4
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So you don't trust that the game is properly balanced Fran? Why would a townie be frustrated over the game being overly balanced towards town? I didn't see the Faddy lynch as town "fucking up" I saw it as a calculated risk based on Faddy's claims and in the end we were rewarded for that. Nobody in Town should be frustrated at that outcome.
Of course scum on the other hand well they would have every reason to be annoyed about what happened with Faddy.
Fran your frustration sounds like scum frustration
VOTE: Fran
Of course scum on the other hand well they would have every reason to be annoyed about what happened with Faddy.
Fran your frustration sounds like scum frustration
VOTE: Fran
Nah sorry Exodus, I feel pretty confident about Chuggs being town since he seems to be genuinely trying to solve the game.
Fran had every reason to be suspicious about Faddy, Faddy didn't make it easy to trust him tbh. But I feel Fran oversold it and now being frustrated with how things worked out? Things worked out pretty well for town So he should be happy about that imo.
And how exactly do you know this? You're so concerned about the game balance, but I'm over here just shrugging because it's not like I actually know all the roles in play. Do you? We're a 14-player game. And the one flip we had concerned scum that had vote manipulation abilities. I don't know what the rest could have. Maybe they all have good power roles? Maybe their numbers make up for our protection? Maybe it's a trade-off for the risk of scum getting Simon (which might have already happened).
For someone who should be navigating blindly, you're really adamant about this game being unbalanced with supposedly little information. I find that interesting. The reason Faddy even outed himself in the first place was so we could discuss why his role existed alongside DCPat, and thus figure out the game. That didn't come to pass, but he was also interested in determining why there'd be two protection roles. You seem more concerned about dismissing this and going straight for yelling about it being unbalanced.
Because I want to win the game on my own and not because the gamerunner correct all our mistakes and hand us a win on a silver plater?
Faddy fucked up. He should have know that the outcome of claiming would be his lynch and should have kept quiet about the role. But instead of being punished for fucking up he was rewarded with a confirmed town status. Don't you see the problem with that? That's not how town should win a game.
Happy because the game is setup in a way where town can fuck up twice and be rewarded for it? Sorry, but I don't like winning like that.
Because we are at D4 and scum don't seem to have an extra kill to balance 2 unlynchables townie. But that never happened so far. And Cabot's role was extremely mild, besides the double votes day it was mostly useless.
I asked Faddy why did he thought that town would have 2 unlynchables townies and his answer was "Pedro did it". He didn't tried to figure out the game or why town had 2 protection roles. Because there is no way that a 14 players game is balance with 2 unlynchables townies.
We also haven't lynched scum yet.
He couldn't, because everyone got on his case about his (poor) role claim instead, and got engaged with determining whether it even existed or not. That's what people wanted to know about and asked him questions about, not assuming it was true (except for Chuggernaut) and then going to the next step about what it meant for the game.
Well I for one have full faith the game is set up to be fair and to not hand anybody a win on a silver platter, but then again I don't have access to the scum team chat so I don't know what they're working with
Maybe there are 2 unlynchables for us to counter the Cabot power, the TD, and other possible vote manipulation scum may have?
It's not "free" kill in that sense; more like a "free pass" during a day phase. There was no risk for them to be lynched during that day phase. Hell, their votes meant less, too, because it wasn't in support of anyone getting lynched, either.
Still love thinking about that shot by Apollo.
Looking at Cabot's pm, it doesn't say there was a limit/shot to his power.
So if he could use it everyday, I can see why there would be two unlynchables.
So if he could use it everyday, I can see why there would be two unlynchables.
Did you forget all the times that we tried to talk about Faddy's role and he said that solving him wasn't solving the game. It was 4 or 5 times.
I can't tell if you're being intentionally disingenuous. He was saying that "solving him" in reagrds to trying to determine whether his role was real or not wasn't solving the game. He was operating from the perspective that his role was real, and that everyone should assume that the role was real. So then people should focus on "solving the game" based on his role. It's very different.
And we haven't lynched town also. At D4. Do you see how stupid that Is?
Wouldn't it be more likely that a mislynch would happen instead of us hitting scum?
Apollo shot - thinking about it meaning what exactly?
Well I mean, he was right, The time spent arguing over Faddy was time lost looking at actual scum. Of course we didn't know that and Faddy didn't make it easier to shift focus away from him but he was still correct.
Well yeah day 1 scum lynches aren't common so it's not too big a deal we didn't get a lynch on day 1. and Apollo's shot more than made up for that fact. Giving town first kill anyway.
We've lynched DCPat and Faddy. We couldn't lynch on D1. There are numerous factors being presented for why that is that you're just ignoring. We're in a pretty good spot that we hit two unlynchable townies instead of killing town, but we still haven't gotten scum. We don't know what abilities they might have around a lynch.
Likelihood doesn't matter. Our strongest ability is the vote and ability to kill through them as town. If this was about likelihood for mislynching, why do you think people are so opposed to ending D1 with no lynch votes here? It's for information, and the possibility of hitting scum. We had neither on D1.
And, I mean, it should be obvious. Scum thought they were safe and could do whatever they wanted on D1. Then BANG, cabot gets shot out of nowhere and it's a scum flip. That was awesome. Mansion had a similar shot taken, which I enjoyed looking at.
Ahh, I see what you mean about lynching and flips/info for day 1.
Apollo - oh you liked the shot. I couldn't tell from the post above.
I'm rereading the thread right now. I'm aware that I've been a non factor this phase, and I'm very sorry about that.
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Her.
And it could be reasoned that it is because she hasn't been contributing much, despite her semi-confirmed status. Doubting that she's town is fruitless. But if not much is coming from it and she lacks contributions and might be heading in the wrong direction, killing her wouldn't be a priority, either. For those who played, it'd be like Fantomas in MafiEra at the endgame. Scum pocketed him and it lead to town's downfall.
I could see her still being killed tonight to remove the loose strands we have left, but it's not necessarily the case.
Eh, Faddy and DC made sense for both those nights. Apollo is probably high up on the list, but I'm not really surprised she's still alive
Alright I'm back, but I see not much has happened. Those that have put a vote on their preferred scum read should give an opinion on who they think the partner(s) of their vote would be.
Since I don't think Swamped and TheChuggernaut are on the same team my next scum read would be FluxWaveZ.
Apollo is confirmed town.
How TheChuggernaut was so quick to follow Faddy on a Meatwad lynch makes me think that Meatwad is town.
I already explained why I town read exodus, and his inputs today have also been quite good.
SalvaPot and EzekelRAGE are kind of in the middle, where they could fall on both sides, but currently I tend to lean town on them.
Since pretty much all my scum reads try to lynch Fran, I feel pretty good about him.
Since I don't think Swamped and TheChuggernaut are on the same team my next scum read would be FluxWaveZ.
Apollo is confirmed town.
How TheChuggernaut was so quick to follow Faddy on a Meatwad lynch makes me think that Meatwad is town.
I already explained why I town read exodus, and his inputs today have also been quite good.
SalvaPot and EzekelRAGE are kind of in the middle, where they could fall on both sides, but currently I tend to lean town on them.
Since pretty much all my scum reads try to lynch Fran, I feel pretty good about him.
Not too surprising given there were some higher profile confirmed towns in those nights where she was confirmed as well. And if she doesn't offer some very good reads now, I could see scum going for someone else tonight as well.
Yes I was in that game and Faddy baited the hammer to blow up a town member.
Oh, man I really don't want to pull this, but I'm getting very concerned that we're just sleep walking here.
It's just too quiet and I'm wondering if that's because scum is cool with the result. Salva and Swamped are both voting off wagon and the closest we have to a confirmed town doesn't have a vote down. Maybe scum doesn't have enough members and they were counting on pushing me for the lynch here, but I don't know. This feels off.
It's just too quiet and I'm wondering if that's because scum is cool with the result. Salva and Swamped are both voting off wagon and the closest we have to a confirmed town doesn't have a vote down. Maybe scum doesn't have enough members and they were counting on pushing me for the lynch here, but I don't know. This feels off.
Not on board with Fran lynch after going through his posts. I think he's gone in too hard for scum.
Salva lynch is the best choice for us today IMO. After that, I get the feeling that there's maaaybe one scum between Zeke and Flux, but I can't really back that up yet. Both of them have felt too agreeable to me this game. Might not hold water but I would like to look into that direction further with more time. Malus is also a strong candidate for me still tbh.
VOTE: SalvaPot
Salva lynch is the best choice for us today IMO. After that, I get the feeling that there's maaaybe one scum between Zeke and Flux, but I can't really back that up yet. Both of them have felt too agreeable to me this game. Might not hold water but I would like to look into that direction further with more time. Malus is also a strong candidate for me still tbh.
VOTE: SalvaPot
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==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start
Fran (4 votes)
FluxWaveZ - #1,410
EzekelRAGE - #1,478
TheChuggernaut - #1,482
Meatwad - #1,555
TheChuggernaut (3 votes)
Fran - #1,427
malus - #1,438
exodus - #1,557
Swamped (1 votes)
exodus - #1,412 #1,557
SalvaPot - #1,418
SalvaPot (1 votes)
TheChuggernaut - #1,391 #1,482
Apollo - #1,589
malus (1 votes)
SalvaPot - #1,383 #1,418
Swamped - #1,511
Post Counts:
TheChuggernaut: 65 Fran: 32 EzekelRAGE: 31 FluxWaveZ: 30 Meatwad: 12 SalvaPot: 11 exodus: 11 Swamped: 8 malus: 8 Apollo: 7
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Day Start
Fran (4 votes)
FluxWaveZ - #1,410
EzekelRAGE - #1,478
TheChuggernaut - #1,482
Meatwad - #1,555
TheChuggernaut (3 votes)
Fran - #1,427
malus - #1,438
exodus - #1,557
Swamped (1 votes)
SalvaPot - #1,418
SalvaPot (1 votes)
Apollo - #1,589
malus (1 votes)
Swamped - #1,511
Post Counts:
TheChuggernaut: 65 Fran: 32 EzekelRAGE: 31 FluxWaveZ: 30 Meatwad: 12 SalvaPot: 11 exodus: 11 Swamped: 8 malus: 8 Apollo: 7
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Yeah, this shit is going to get me killed, but I think you're right. I don't know. After thinking back on it, something about my argument with Fran just didn't made him not feel like scum to me. He seemed genuine in his frustration I guess.
Vote: SalvaPot
You're the only vote on SalvaPot. Do you believe that both Fran and Chuggernaut are town?
Sorry! I need to take better care to note down gender pronouns.
I think Chugg is very town. Fran has been a little sus, but I think he's probably town too.
It's all good!
Hmmm I'm curious about that. Why wouldn't you put Swamped and Chugg on the same team? They've hardly even acknowledged each other as far as I can tell.
Flux is a tough one. He just seems really town. Then again, he might just be mostly agreeing with town sentiment.
Unfortunately I'm fairly short on time for the rest of the day so I'm mainly going to be listening to people's input here when I get a chance. No time to go back and re-read.