I feel like it's hedging best in order to justify wanting to absolutely vote for him. One part of it is not dimissing the existence of the role itself, but that it couldn't be town aligned due to DCPat. However, it couldn't be scum because a role like that would be too powerful for them to have. So then, without committing to either side, Fran proposes that Faddy could be a neutral player and justifies going after him for that.
No matter what Faddy had flipped as, or if his role existed or not, Fran would have been able to support what he previously said. And if Faddy's role did turn out to be truthful, he'd still justify going after him by saying that he was neutral (or possibly changing his argument to him being scum).
We then see Faddy's flip when D3 ends in a no-lynch, and Fran makes only a single post (#1,261) in a fairly important night phase where he gives no insight at all into what he thinks of Faddy anymore. Just tries to grasp onto a talking point exodus introduces by saying that it's possible Apollo is neutral.
Faddy then dies. Obviously, because Fran wouldn't have been able to build a case for his lynch any longer, among other reasons, and Faddy would have continued going after Fran during this day phase.
Vote: TheChuggernaut
I still have my doubts about Swamped, but I'm with Fran on this one. Chugg's been on my list for a while.
And how exactly do you know this? You're so concerned about the game balance, but I'm over here just shrugging because it's not like I actually know all the roles in play. Do you? We're a 14-player game. And the one flip we had concerned scum that had vote manipulation abilities. I don't know what the rest could have. Maybe they all have good power roles? Maybe their numbers make up for our protection? Maybe it's a trade-off for the risk of scum getting Simon (which might have already happened).Again, because there is no way that a game is balanced when town can fuck up not once but twice and instead of being punished with a lynch is rewarded with a confirmed townie. Does that makes sense?
That trust is going to go poorly for you.I'm really not quite sure why Fran is being punished for scum hunting. If you're going to look into Fran it should be for another reason but thinking Faddy was scum.
I thought Faddy was scum as well.
Why would a townie be frustrated over the game being overly balanced towards town?
I didn't see the Faddy lynch as town "fucking up" I saw it as a calculated risk based on Faddy's claims and in the end we were rewarded for that. Nobody in Town should be frustrated at that outcome.
Things worked out pretty well for town So he should be happy about that imo.
And how exactly do you know this? You're so concerned about the game balance, but I'm over here just shrugging because it's not like I actually know all the roles in play. Do you? We're a 14-player game. And the one flip we had concerned scum that had vote manipulation abilities. I don't know what the rest could have. Maybe they all have good power roles? Maybe their numbers make up for our protection? Maybe it's a trade-off for the risk of scum getting Simon (which might have already happened).
For someone who should be navigating blindly, you're really adamant about this game being unbalanced with supposedly little information. I find that interesting. The reason Faddy even outed himself in the first place was so we could discuss why his role existed alongside DCPat, and thus figure out the game. That didn't come to pass, but he was also interested in determining why there'd be two protection roles. You seem more concerned about dismissing this and going straight for yelling about it being unbalanced.
We also haven't lynched scum yet.Because we are at D4 and scum don't seem to have an extra kill to balance 2 unlynchables townie. But that never happened so far. And Cabot's role was extremely mild, besides the double votes day it was mostly useless.
He couldn't, because everyone got on his case about his (poor) role claim instead, and got engaged with determining whether it even existed or not. That's what people wanted to know about and asked him questions about, not assuming it was true (except for Chuggernaut) and then going to the next step about what it meant for the game.I asked Faddy why did he thought that town would have 2 unlynchables townies and his answer was "Pedro did it". He didn't tried to figure out the game or why town had 2 protection roles. Because there is no way that a 14 players game is balance with 2 unlynchables townies.
Because I want to win the game on my own and not because the gamerunner correct all our mistakes and hand us a win on a silver plater?
Maybe there are 2 unlynchables for us to counter the Cabot power, the TD, and other possible vote manipulation scum may have?I asked Faddy why did he thought that town would have 2 unlynchables townies and his answer was "Pedro did it". He didn't tried to figure out the game or why town had 2 protection roles. Because there is no way that a 14 players game is balance with 2 unlynchables townies.
How does that give scum a free kill?Oh yeah, plus the fact that D1 didn't have any lynch, and thus gave scum a free kill. All you're doing is dismissing every point against your narrative, Fran.
It's not "free" kill in that sense; more like a "free pass" during a day phase. There was no risk for them to be lynched during that day phase. Hell, their votes meant less, too, because it wasn't in support of anyone getting lynched, either.
We also haven't lynched scum yet.
He couldn't, because everyone got on his case about his (poor) role claim instead, and got engaged with determining whether it even existed or not. That's what people wanted to know about and asked him questions about, not assuming it was true (except for Chuggernaut) and then going to the next step about what it meant for the game.
I can't tell if you're being intentionally disingenuous. He was saying that "solving him" in reagrds to trying to determine whether his role was real or not wasn't solving the game. He was operating from the perspective that his role was real, and that everyone should assume that the role was real. So then people should focus on "solving the game" based on his role. It's very different.Did you forget all the times that we tried to talk about Faddy's role and he said that solving him wasn't solving the game. It was 4 or 5 times.
Exactly, scum began the game with an advantage over town since they got the first opportunity to kill
Wouldn't it be more likely that a mislynch would happen instead of us hitting scum?It's not "free" kill in that sense; more like a "free pass" during a day phase. There was no risk for them to be lynched during that day phase. Hell, their votes meant less, too, because it wasn't in support of anyone getting lynched, either.
Still love thinking about that shot by Apollo.
Did you forget all the times that we tried to talk about Faddy's role and he said that solving him wasn't solving the game. It was 4 or 5 times.
Wouldn't it be more likely that a mislynch would happen instead of us hitting scum?
Apollo shot - thinking about it meaning what exactly?
We've lynched DCPat and Faddy. We couldn't lynch on D1. There are numerous factors being presented for why that is that you're just ignoring. We're in a pretty good spot that we hit two unlynchable townies instead of killing town, but we still haven't gotten scum. We don't know what abilities they might have around a lynch.And we haven't lynched town also. At D4. Do you see how stupid that Is?
Likelihood doesn't matter. Our strongest ability is the vote and ability to kill through them as town. If this was about likelihood for mislynching, why do you think people are so opposed to ending D1 with no lynch votes here? It's for information, and the possibility of hitting scum. We had neither on D1.Wouldn't it be more likely that a mislynch would happen instead of us hitting scum?
Apollo shot - thinking about it meaning what exactly?
Apollo question was directed at fluxWell yeah day 1 scum lynches aren't common so it's not too big a deal we didn't get a lynch on day 1. and Apollo's shot more than made up for that fact. Giving town first kill anyway.
We've lynched DCPat and Faddy. We couldn't lynch on D1. There are numerous factors being presented for why that is that you're just ignoring. We're in a pretty good spot that we hit two unlynchable townies instead of killing town, but we still haven't gotten scum. We don't know what abilities they might have around a lynch.
Likelihood doesn't matter. Our strongest ability is the vote and ability to kill through them as town. If this was about likelihood for mislynching, why do you think people are so opposed to ending D1 with no lynch votes here? It's for information, and the possibility of hitting scum. We had neither on D1.
And, I mean, it should be obvious. Scum thought they were safe and could do whatever they wanted on D1. Then BANG, cabot gets shot out of nowhere and it's a scum flip. That was awesome. Mansion had a similar shot taken, which I enjoyed looking at.
Not really liking how Apollo is just coasting on his claim. Also interesting that scum killed Faddy, a confirmed town, but they're happy leaving Apollo alone. Could just be because he's not contributing much, but I still think it's worth considering.
Her, she*Not really liking how Apollo is just coasting on his claim. Also interesting that scum killed Faddy, a confirmed town, but they're happy leaving Apollo alone. Could just be because he's not contributing much, but I still think it's worth considering.
Her.Not really liking how Apollo is just coasting on his claim. Also interesting that scum killed Faddy, a confirmed town, but they're happy leaving Apollo alone. Could just be because he's not contributing much, but I still think it's worth considering.
Not really liking how Apollo is just coasting on his claim. Also interesting that scum killed Faddy, a confirmed town, but they're happy leaving Apollo alone. Could just be because he's not contributing much, but I still think it's worth considering.
Not too surprising given there were some higher profile confirmed towns in those nights where she was confirmed as well. And if she doesn't offer some very good reads now, I could see scum going for someone else tonight as well.Not really liking how Apollo is just coasting on his claim. Also interesting that scum killed Faddy, a confirmed town, but they're happy leaving Apollo alone. Could just be because he's not contributing much, but I still think it's worth considering.
Yes I was in that game and Faddy baited the hammer to blow up a town member.Oh ok. malus was in that game?
I will let him comment on that comment.
Not on board with Fran lynch after going through his posts. I think he's gone in too hard for scum.
Salva lynch is the best choice for us today IMO. After that, I get the feeling that there's maaaybe one scum between Zeke and Flux, but I can't really back that up yet. Both of them have felt too agreeable to me this game. Might not hold water but I would like to look into that direction further with more time. Malus is also a strong candidate for me still tbh.
VOTE: SalvaPot
You're the only vote on SalvaPot. Do you believe that both Fran and Chuggernaut are town?Not on board with Fran lynch after going through his posts. I think he's gone in too hard for scum.
Salva lynch is the best choice for us today IMO. After that, I get the feeling that there's maaaybe one scum between Zeke and Flux, but I can't really back that up yet. Both of them have felt too agreeable to me this game. Might not hold water but I would like to look into that direction further with more time. Malus is also a strong candidate for me still tbh.
VOTE: SalvaPot
You're the only vote on SalvaPot. Do you believe that both Fran and Chuggernaut are town?
Sorry! I need to take better care to note down gender pronouns.
Alright I'm back, but I see not much has happened. Those that have put a vote on their preferred scum read should give an opinion on who they think the partner(s) of their vote would be.
Since I don't think Swamped and TheChuggernaut are on the same team my next scum read would be FluxWaveZ.
Hm. Well, if it comes down to it, I'll change my vote to TheChuggernaut.