I can sort've understand that I guess.
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Last night was the night I expected Apollo to be dead tbh. She is the last of the confirmed townies. And scum has been hitting confirmed townies.
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Simon Says Mafia - I would never lie to you, please do what I say
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Last night was the night I expected Apollo to be dead tbh. She is the last of the confirmed townies. And scum has been hitting confirmed townies.
I just got home from work, so I'll have to go back and read what I missed outside of when I got to briefly check the thread during breaks. But my initial thoughts is yeah this sucks.
I wasn't feeling good about lynching Fran yesterday and so when Apollo brought up Salva I decided to follow her. She's the closest to a confirmed town we have so I trust she wasn't intentionally trying to lead town into a mis-lynch. That and I made a decision that I wasn't going to waffle and I was going to put a vote down yesterday no matter what.
Shit went sideways but it's not like nobody else was scum reading Salva before
I wasn't feeling good about lynching Fran yesterday and so when Apollo brought up Salva I decided to follow her. She's the closest to a confirmed town we have so I trust she wasn't intentionally trying to lead town into a mis-lynch. That and I made a decision that I wasn't going to waffle and I was going to put a vote down yesterday no matter what.
Shit went sideways but it's not like nobody else was scum reading Salva before
At what point did you not feel good about the Fran lynch?
What made you reconsider the vote on Fran?
You said you didn't want to waffle, but you waffled in the Fran vote.
Just felt like voting Fran was a mistake and if Fran flipped town I'd be right in the same position I'm in right now. I remind you that when I switched my vote to Salva it wan't a done deal for him yet. Exodus was the last minute hammer on Salva and I'm a bit surprised he's not getting grilled over it.
You can grill me all you want. I didn't want a Salva lynch. I just had a hesitation about lynching Chugg and there was no time left and no alternatives. Half of the players were not around during the end of the day which made it pretty damned hard to do much of anything.
Unless Swamped chimes in, I'm thinking I'm somewhat firm on my Fran vote. Fran is the most important piece of the puzzle right now. If we lynch Meat/Malus and they end up town, I feel like we're going to be no further ahead.
All this thought is making me think the game is perfectly balanced. Yeah, we had 2 unlynchables, but with no protection and no investigation roles this still doesn't seem town sided whatsoever. I really wonder if Fran's faux outrage is just a point to make his doubting of Faddy that much more believable.
All this thought is making me think the game is perfectly balanced. Yeah, we had 2 unlynchables, but with no protection and no investigation roles this still doesn't seem town sided whatsoever. I really wonder if Fran's faux outrage is just a point to make his doubting of Faddy that much more believable.
I was thinking about grilling exo, but I didn't want to repeat the rabbit hole of "just townie indecisiveness" he crawled into d2/d3 wn I was on him. Would result in a useless back and forth.
You posted this after my vote for malus.
It seems you brought it up to encourage the Fran lynch, since you thought meat and Fran were faddy's top scum.
What are your thoughts now that faddy thought there was guaranteed scum between salva and malus?
Faddy has no information to go on besides posts during d1/d2/d3. His reads are out of date at this point.
I don't mean that we should be taking his reads as gospel, but I believe we've drifted a bit too far into WIFOM territory and we should look at the obvious hints right in front of us,
If you feel that way about it, why bring up faddy's reads in the first place?
This is a very strong and well reasoned post on why exo won't vote salva.
Read on chuggs, around 1330.
This is a very strong and well reasoned post on why exo won't vote salva.
Read on chuggs, around 1330.
This is a very lazy vote on Salva. Especially considering that exo's unvote on chuggs was the reason chuggs/salva was tied in the first place.
This is malus in response to chuggs' voting
How does chuggs calling out everyone makes you not only town read him, but also townread him over salva?
Flux's response to exo townreading chuggs.
What puzzle? And why aren't you acknowledging my posts? I answered a lot of your points earlier.
I already said so: Scum is between Malus, Meatwad and Chuggs. Just look yesterday at the votes. Chuggs jump on my wagon yesterday after being sure that I was scum but without voting and Meatwad followed him. When Apollo created the Salva wagon Chuggs jump on that and Meatwad just followed him with little to no explanation.
Malus has been coasting. Apollo made a good post about why Malus could be scum D2 and nothing has changed during that time:
Another post at eod where exo throws shade on chuggs and doesn't want to lynch salva
Exo, your votes look just as bad as meat/chuggs imo. Your vote went on someone you defended at eod.
Chuggs can you elaborate more on this and who you were talking about specifically?
That was mainly shade at Flux, who is currently dead town, but I noticed Exo switching off me also. I'm not really convinced by your scum read of him though, and I've really liked his posts today
Even his vote on me? Didn't you said that I was a town read?
Town can mess up. I had a vote on you most of the day and I town read me.
Bit surprised flux died, as he was getting some heat, but there was no way I was going to scum read him given that cabot vote on D1. Perhaps scum was trying to target whomever might get the simon power, so they have a chance to wield it? Maybe they anticipated I wouldn't give it to Apollo as she's the obvious NK target.
Exo is still someone I townread.
Zeke is too, but I want to see him push Chuggs more.
I'm going to do three things:
1. Look closely at the D4 end votes. It seemed so sure that Fran was getting voted, then this spin to Salva?? I feel like my Malus case was much stronger.
2. Look again at D2 votes, now that we know another frontrunner was town (Salva)
3. Look at Flux's posts. If Fran is scum, they may have offed Flux as he was likely a sure Fran vote.
I think meatwad has been a huge blindspot for me. Not sure I like how his vote went down, but I'll take a closer look.
Also, to Chuggs and Exo who keep saying that Malus is the wrong lynch because everyone is going with it: This is a super frustrating take. There are only two scum left (which is what I hypothesized before). This means the majority of town is scumreading him. If Malus is indeed scum, the other scum member is being forced to bus him.
There's a lot I don't like about Chuggs' D4 end either, but if he does end up being scum I'm going to feel so dumb. But also...kinda proud? Like, that's what mafia is all about really.
Exo is still someone I townread.
Zeke is too, but I want to see him push Chuggs more.
I'm going to do three things:
1. Look closely at the D4 end votes. It seemed so sure that Fran was getting voted, then this spin to Salva?? I feel like my Malus case was much stronger.
2. Look again at D2 votes, now that we know another frontrunner was town (Salva)
3. Look at Flux's posts. If Fran is scum, they may have offed Flux as he was likely a sure Fran vote.
I think meatwad has been a huge blindspot for me. Not sure I like how his vote went down, but I'll take a closer look.
Also, to Chuggs and Exo who keep saying that Malus is the wrong lynch because everyone is going with it: This is a super frustrating take. There are only two scum left (which is what I hypothesized before). This means the majority of town is scumreading him. If Malus is indeed scum, the other scum member is being forced to bus him.
There's a lot I don't like about Chuggs' D4 end either, but if he does end up being scum I'm going to feel so dumb. But also...kinda proud? Like, that's what mafia is all about really.
Yeah, I'm starting to realize that too. It a flimsy premise that I should not of gone all in on. I'm pro-Malus lynch today
Never change, Salva XD XD XD
Ok here's a list of who my gut says is town
[He/him] exodus - town
[He/him] EzekelRAGE - town
[He/him] Fran
[He/him] Meatwad
[She/her] Apollo - town
[He/him] TheChuggernaut - town?
[He/him] malus - CET
This should be an easy process of elimination now. Just have to figure out who could be a team.
What are your reads? You seem to be going with the flow and agreeable to most things today.
Meatwad and Malus I think are scum. I mentioned it earlier in this post.
You could be scum, but I would look to both of them before you. I still feel really good about Exodus and same for Swamped. Both of them seem like they're trying to figure this game out. I have no proof for Fran still, but I liked the conclusions he came to today. Apollo is town.
Why do you want me specifically to go after chuggs?
I feel I questioned chuggs a decent amount already. Why don't you dive deeper yourself on chuggs?
If you townread chuggs, I don't understand why you would want me to go more in on him.
Meatwad same question to you. Why didn't you go in on the exo vote instead of relying on others? Since you thought it was odd exo got a free pass over it.
unvote
I'm feeling kinda lead here.
Ok you are pointing in the direction of meatwad and malus, but you aren't really making a case and pushing for them.
What are your cases? Although you don't have a vote, you still have a voice.
What do you think of swamp townreading you, but wanting me to go in more on you?
I'm a little hesitant to go all in on my argument because yesterday I did that and led us off the edge of a fucking cliff. I will try to look into some stuff today though. Have to write a paper tonight so I'm probably going to be busy.
I've said it before, but I don't blame anyone who is unsure about me after yesterday, and Swamped seems to be falling in that category. Like I think I would actually be kind of suspicious if someone came in today and was like "Oh yeah, Chugg is town and we should not look there at all." Swamped isn't really ringing any alarm bells.
My reason for switching so much yesterday is that I really only got back to the game within the last hour and I was reading over the day. As I was reading my opinion was changing.
I should have just took my time and made up my mind completely before posting. As for Salva, it's easy to say now I shouldn't have switched to him in hindsight. But if Chuggs ended up town we'd be in the same situation.
I'm still not unhappy with yesterday though. I think Chuggs is town and he's one of the biggest contributors here to solving the game.
I should have just took my time and made up my mind completely before posting. As for Salva, it's easy to say now I shouldn't have switched to him in hindsight. But if Chuggs ended up town we'd be in the same situation.
I'm still not unhappy with yesterday though. I think Chuggs is town and he's one of the biggest contributors here to solving the game.
But his point is wrong. I was in the lead until one hour before day end and was for a while. Noone tried to save me or create a new wagon until then. But the wagon was created by Apollo, who is our most confirmed townie.
Let's look at who could be my partner:
- Apollo started the Salva wagon but she is our semi confirmed townie so we know that this was not a scum wagon.
- Chuggs followed Salva. Chuggs jumping on the Salva wagon made both him and me the vote leaders at the time. There is no way that we could be partners as no scum team would create two scum leading wagons.
- Meatwad followed Apollo too. His reasons for both voting me and changing the vote were weak. But his vote was the one that put me in the lead. Too risky a move to create a scum leading wagon when there were several others.
- Exodus voted for me after the wagon died. Then voted Salva to avoid a tie. He wouldn't have tried to keep me in the race and jump out of Chuggs. Another risky move.
Neither of the people that voted for Salva could have been my scum partner without doing some weird moves.
This isn't a case of hindsight being 20/20. The salva vote made no sense for you.
Also, if we flipped chuggs, this wouldn't be the same situation. Chuggs had more interactions etc.
Can you back that up?
I remember you saying chuggs had an extremely weak d2 or d3.
Your saying none of those could be your partner, do you think the salva vote is pure?
Same question to everyone, is salva vote pure?
It's possible Salva vote is pure but it would be weird if at least one scum didn't wagon. Personally scum me wouldn't have been on that vote at all.
I don't think so. I think the start was pure (Apollo is our semi confirmed townie) but then scum jumped on it. My point was that it was not to save me. Remaining scums are 2 players at most. If I'm one of them they couldn't create a wagon. Most likely scum was afraid to lynch me because they have been pushing for it and were afraid that they would look really bad after my flip.
I thought Slava and Fran were the scum team at the time so I didn't care which one took off. When I saw that Fran was more likely, I jumped to him
Because I'd 100% know it would land me here. And scum me would rather continue trying to fly under the radar than invite this level of scrutiny on myself.
I mean, you simply waved imthe vote away by saying you were sheeping Apollo.
Also, from my question earlier, you wondered why exo wasn't being grilled. Why don't you grill him?
I will, I just haven't had time to properly go over the thread yet.