Simon Says Mafia - I would never lie to you, please do what I say

TheChuggernaut · Feb 26, 2019

Oh, and despite those really obvious PR hints, Meatwad is still just hanging in there. I can buy Apollo being alive because she's basically just a vanilla town at this point, but I don't if scum would ignore an unknown PR

Fran · Feb 26, 2019

TheChuggernaut said:
because she's basically just a vanilla town at this point

How do you know that? Apollo didn't gave any specifics about her role.

Swamped · Feb 26, 2019

malus said:
I would like for Meatwad and Zeke to put down a vote.

I know he's your biggest scum read, but Chuggs also hasn't put down a vote yet.

TheChuggernaut · Feb 26, 2019

Fran said:
How do you know that? Apollo didn't gave any specifics about her role.

It's just a guess. I feel like we would of seen more from her if she had more from her role. Apollo, if you have more to your role, don't say anything.

Swamped said:
I know he's your biggest scum read, but Chuggs also hasn't put down a vote yet.

I'm vote locked today

Fran · Feb 26, 2019

Swamped said:
I know he's your biggest scum read, but Chuggs also hasn't put down a vote yet.

He can't.

Swamped · Feb 26, 2019

Oh oops lol. I'm dumb, but you all already knew that :P

TheChuggernaut · Feb 26, 2019

For what it's worth, if I could vote today it would be on Meatwad

exodus · Feb 26, 2019

Your wish is my command.

Double: Meatwad

Swamped brought up some good points. Mainly the fact that Meatwad is still alive even after a lot of PR hints.

Fran · Feb 26, 2019

We are just one vote away from turbo now.

Meatwad · Feb 26, 2019

Lol congrats to mafia on your win :)

VOTE: TheChuggernaut

Meatwad · Feb 26, 2019

btw I never bread crumbed, hinted or claimed to have a PR, Faddy made that claim and all I did was refuse to confirm or deny it. Seriously read my actual posts and don't come to dumb conclusions

exodus · Feb 26, 2019

Unvote

Maybe I'll keep us away from a turbo for the time being.

Meatwad · Feb 26, 2019

Anyway Chuggs is scum, it's a tossup as to who his scum partner is though

exodus · Feb 26, 2019

EzekelRAGE want to chime in?

EzekelRAGE · Feb 26, 2019

Meatwad said:
. Exodus was the last minute hammer on Salva and I'm a bit surprised he's not getting grilled over it.

EzekelRAGE said:
Also, from my question earlier, you wondered why exo wasn't being grilled. Why don't you grill him?

Meatwad said:
I will, I just haven't had time to properly go over the thread yet.

Meatwad said:
Ok so having gone over the thread I have come to several conclusions

exodus
Puts a vote for me as Simon for reasons even I can't explain
Switches Simon vote to Swamped
Back and forth on whether or not Faddy is scum
doublevotes Salva
Calls Govenor a scum power, even though that would be unbalanced as hell
Hammers Salva even though he mostly town read him throughout the game

Exodus looks bad because of the Salva lynch but I'm warming up to the idea of him actually being town, I'd say neutral on exo right now

Is this all you have from the reread to grill exo with? It seemed like you saw more about exo in regards to the eod?

Meatwad · Feb 26, 2019

Honestly yeah, That's why I'm not fully confident in scum reading Exo

EzekelRAGE · Feb 26, 2019

big quote post coming

EzekelRAGE · Feb 26, 2019

This is the exchange between Meat/Faddy about the PR talk.

Meatwad said:
I'll be perfectly find with that because you'll be confirmed and we wouldn't have lynched a townie.

I don't expect anybody here to believe I'm town based in just my word alone. I can tell you lynching me would be a bad move, but it's fair enough if you don't buy that.

What is 100% certain is I am an unkown quantity and lynching me is one of the riskiest moves town can take right now. Nevermind that it's the wrong move.

At least Faddy if we lynch you and you override it, we've lost nothing and gained valuable info. You should be jumping at the chance to be 100% confirmed and get this cloud of doubt removed from over your head. I know I'd want to in your posistion.

Faddy said:
You couldn't be softing a PR any harder here btw.

Just claim and we can move on. Like I said to Zeke yesterday these games are never balanced around PRs solving the game. You are actually supposed to think about things.(hiya Fran)

Meatwad said:
I'm sure scum would love for me to claim. I bet they're dying for clues on who best to kill tonight

Faddy said:
This is the exact non-denial that flux used in MafiEra.

It is obvious you are a PR. If you don't want to claim the exact role just say you are a PR and I am right.

Meatwad said:
And who would that help? Town? What does town gain from me making a statement like that?

Scum? Well scum does benefit, because they know I am useful (or at least claim to be) and can bump me off before I can be too useful.

So I do have to wonder if your request here is being made with the best interest of town at heart or your own best interests and where those might lie

Faddy said:
You want to coast on your PR like DCPat did. You are not solving the game. The only reason you didn't get lynched yesterday is because I said you were a PR and we shouldn't lynch you. And I made sure you got to 5 posts before we lynched DCPat because I wanted you to stay in the game.

I knew you were a PR on night 1. Why kill verelios over you?

Meatwad said:
While I would love to find out how you just "knew" I was a PR on night 1, I am done playing this game with you. I am not going to make a claim as I don't believe that is in the best interest of the town. Badgering a townie into roleclaiming is not solving the game either I might add.

Faddy said:
I knew you were a PR as soon as I called you cabot's partner and you overreacted to it.

Reading the game is how I knew. It is also the reason I did not put you in a thunderdome, go look at the start of day 2. I explained this.

Meatwad said:
You deduced that much yet you still offered me up as a lynch candidate a page ago. So why were you willing to have town lynch one of their PR's?

Faddy said:
You haven't been really playing. I re-evaluated thought I was wrong. It seems like i wasn't

EzekelRAGE · Feb 26, 2019

Meatwad said:
btw I never bread crumbed, hinted or claimed to have a PR, Faddy made that claim and all I did was refuse to confirm or deny it. Seriously read my actual posts and don't come to dumb conclusions

I can think of a reason why you would play that game, but in hindsight, it seems you did it poorly.

EzekelRAGE · Feb 26, 2019

The following are the quotes that stick out to me. And it may seem that it's like Meat said and we just misread them?

Scum? Well scum does benefit, because they know I am useful (or at least claim to be) and can bump me off before I can be too useful.

This is in response to Faddy saying he should go ahead of claim PR role. Out of context it may look like a pr claim.

I don't expect anybody here to believe I'm town based in just my word alone. I can tell you lynching me would be a bad move, but it's fair enough if you don't buy that

This makes it seem like you have a PR. But you being a vanilla townie would be a "bad move" as well. I still don't like the way you worded it if you wanted to stay in the neither confirm or deny camp.

You deduced that much yet you still offered me up as a lynch candidate a page ago. So why were you willing to have town lynch one of their PR's?

This seems like a claim, but in context, meat is saying IF Faddy thinks meat is a PR, why did faddy want to lynch the PR role earlier.

While I would love to find out how you just "knew" I was a PR on night 1, I am done playing this game with you. I am not going to make a claim as I don't believe that is in the best interest of the town

This is fits neither confirm or deny narrative.

EzekelRAGE · Feb 26, 2019

Meatwad said:
Honestly yeah, That's why I'm not fully confident in scum reading Exo

Why did you make it seem like there was a red flag on the exo voting then?

TheChuggernaut · Feb 26, 2019

I don't know. All of it just reads like Meatwad was trying to be intentionally deceptive and I'm not a fan of it. Like if Meatwad was town what was his game plan? Is he trying to get scum to NK him? Because that's kind of a weird play.

EzekelRAGE · Feb 26, 2019

TheChuggernaut said:
I don't know. All of it just reads like Meatwad was trying to be intentionally deceptive and I'm not a fan of it. Like if Meatwad was town what was his game plan? Is he trying to get scum to NK him? Because that's kind of a weird play.

EzekelRAGE said:
I can think of a reason why you would play that game, but in hindsight, it seems you did it poorly.

I could be wrong in why I think that though

*shrug*
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Vote: Malus

I've already been over my malus read.
Faddy thought there was guaranteed scum between SP/Mal
TD pairs had Mal as most scum read.

TheChuggernaut · Feb 26, 2019

EzekelRAGE said:
I could be wrong in why I think that though

*shrug*
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Vote: Malus

I've already been over my malus read.
Faddy thought there was guaranteed scum between SP/Mal
TD pairs had Mal as most scum read.

Eh, I don't think a Malus lynch would be a bad idea either. So that's a three way tie now

exodus · Feb 26, 2019

Honestly I currently don't feel strongly about either one. I was thinking Meatwad/Fran, but now Fran has his vote on Meatwad so that's looking less likely.

Pedro · Feb 26, 2019

==== DAY 5 VOTES ====
Day Start

malus (2 votes)
~~EzekelRAGE - #1,722~~ #1,762
Apollo - #1,830
EzekelRAGE - #1,872

TheChuggernaut (2 votes)
malus - #1,805
Meatwad - #1,859

Meatwad (2 votes)
Swamped - #1,813
Fran - #1,843
~~exodus - #1,857 (Double)~~ #1,861

exodus (0 votes)
~~EzekelRAGE - #1,768~~ #1,782

Fran (0 votes)
~~exodus - #1,698 (Double)~~ #1,857

Not voting: TheChuggernaut, exodus

Post Counts:
EzekelRAGE: 56 exodus: 46 TheChuggernaut: 44 Fran: 19 Swamped: 15 Meatwad: 13 malus: 7 Apollo: 6

Current Countdown:

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Meatwad · Feb 26, 2019

EzekelRAGE said:
Why did you make it seem like there was a red flag on the exo voting then?

Last minute hammering a townie is a red flag

exodus · Feb 26, 2019

Meatwad just has more going against him. Jumping on the 2 trains yesterday as well as hinting a PR while not getting scum targeted.

Not quite sure what the case is against Malus yet.

TheChuggernaut · Feb 26, 2019

Meatwad said:
Last minute hammering a townie is a red flag

Lol at saying this to Zeke of all people

EzekelRAGE · Feb 26, 2019

Meatwad said:
Last minute hammering a townie is a red flag

TheChuggernaut said:
Lol at saying this to Zeke of all people

😆🙃

Fran · Feb 26, 2019

2 hours until deadline and there is a triple vote and Malus and Apollo don't even have 10 posts today.

TheChuggernaut · Feb 26, 2019

Going to class. Won't be around for EOD. Good luck

malus · Feb 26, 2019

Oh for fucks sake, I know that TheChuggernaut is scum, because I'm the fucking cop!

Here's the results:
N1: Fran is town
N2: Salva is town
N3: TheChuggernaut is scum
N4: Flux is town

And right now I'm very suspicious of Zeke.

TheChuggernaut · Feb 26, 2019

malus said:
Oh for fucks sake, I know that TheChuggernaut is scum, because I'm the fucking cop!

Here's the results:
N1: Fran is town
N2: Salva is town
N3: TheChuggernaut is scum
N4: Flux is town

And right now I'm very suspicious of Zeke.

You're either lying or there's a switcher

Fran · Feb 26, 2019

So, why didn't you claimed yesterday when you got the red check?

TheChuggernaut · Feb 26, 2019

If you want to lynch me today, then go for it.
But do not leave Malus alive tomorrow

Apollo · Feb 26, 2019

malus said:
Oh for fucks sake, I know that TheChuggernaut is scum, because I'm the fucking cop!

Here's the results:
N1: Fran is town
N2: Salva is town
N3: TheChuggernaut is scum
N4: Flux is town

And right now I'm very suspicious of Zeke.

i buy it

VOTE: malus

Fran said:
So, why didn't you claimed yesterday when you got the red check?

scum weren't killing malus without a claim, and it wasn't mylo/lylo

malus · Feb 26, 2019

Fran said:
So, why didn't you claimed yesterday when you got the red check?

because I had only found 1 scum with what was I thought a decent chance to find another one

Apollo · Feb 26, 2019

LOL oops

VOTE: TheChuggernaut

probably would be a good time to claim chugg

EzekelRAGE · Feb 26, 2019

malus said:
Oh for fucks sake, I know that TheChuggernaut is scum, because I'm the fucking cop!

Here's the results:
N1: Fran is town
N2: Salva is town
N3: TheChuggernaut is scum
N4: Flux is town

And right now I'm very suspicious of Zeke.

Hmm why are you suspicious of me? Wasn't I your strongest townread?

I need to go back to last day phase to see if mal mentioned salva.

Why haven't you checked swamped yet? Chuggs and swamped have been your biggest scumreads.

TheChuggernaut · Feb 26, 2019

Apollo said:
LOL oops

VOTE: TheChuggernaut

probably would be a good time to claim chugg

Vanilla.

Seriously, I have to go. Good luck sorting this out tomorrow

Fran · Feb 26, 2019

Apollo said:
i buy it

VOTE: malus

lol

malus · Feb 26, 2019

I checked TheChuggernaut when I thought it was either him or Swamped. With Chuggs as Scum I was pretty confident Swamped was not.

Swamped · Feb 26, 2019

malus said:
Oh for fucks sake, I know that TheChuggernaut is scum, because I'm the fucking cop!

Here's the results:
N1: Fran is town
N2: Salva is town
N3: TheChuggernaut is scum
N4: Flux is town

And right now I'm very suspicious of Zeke.

Too bad about the N2 and N4 result. And by god, I don't want to believe you but a part of me is like "Of course Chuggs is scum"

Thanks for coming forward with this. Knowing Fran is cleared really helps too.

VOTE: TheChuggernaut

What makes you suspicious of Zeke?

Apollo · Feb 26, 2019

N3 would scum have had any reason to frame/switch Chugg with somebody. Haven't seen more of their powers

I could definitely see it on N4

Fran · Feb 26, 2019

One away from turbo.

Swamped · Feb 26, 2019

If Fran is town, then EOD D4 was town vs town (Fran vs Salva). Meatwad has to be the scum partner, right? Because he could have brought Chuggs to the front but didn't?

Pedro · Feb 26, 2019

==== DAY 5 VOTES ====
Day Start

TheChuggernaut (4 votes)
malus - #1,805
Meatwad - #1,859
Apollo - #1,888
Swamped - #1,893

malus (1 votes)
~~EzekelRAGE - #1,722~~ #1,762
~~Apollo - #1,830~~ #1,886
EzekelRAGE - #1,872
~~Apollo - #1,886~~ #1,888

Meatwad (1 votes)
~~Swamped - #1,813~~ #1,893
Fran - #1,843
~~exodus - #1,857 (Double)~~ #1,861

exodus (0 votes)
~~EzekelRAGE - #1,768~~ #1,782

Fran (0 votes)
~~exodus - #1,698 (Double)~~ #1,857

Not voting: TheChuggernaut, exodus

Post Counts:
EzekelRAGE: 58 TheChuggernaut: 49 exodus: 48 Fran: 22 Swamped: 16 Meatwad: 14 malus: 10 Apollo: 8

Current Countdown:

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Fran · Feb 26, 2019

Swamped said:
If Fran is town, then EOD D4 was town vs town (Fran vs Salva). Meatwad has to be the scum partner, right? Because he could have brought Chuggs to the front but didn't?

Pretty much.

TheChuggernaut · Feb 26, 2019

GG scum