Sitting In Starbucks While Black

[Soapbox Killer]

Being a black man that works in downtown Philly I will truly say this feels shitty. I have never been asked to leave a Starbucks or any other place just waiting around for someone to show up. Rittenhouse is some hoity-toity super rich place but I've never had a problem over there.


The CEO coming to face to face apologize actually feels like a solid move cause that's not something that happens, to anyone. I could dismiss this out of hand as PR but I have to believe in the change I want to see.

 

[Strat]

I'm a "fuck the police, and anybody that love em" nigga. But the police ain't call them damn selves. A Starbucks employee did. Pigs can get fucked for making the shit worse, but absent that phone call, none of us are in here.

Fuck em all, basically.

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You know Starbucks is made up entirely of individual people, right? Different race, religions, sexual orientation, whatever else you want to add in there. You're willing to "fuck em all" because of the actions of a single piece of shit?

Nah.

 

[Enzom21]

I'm a "fuck the police, and anybody that love em" nigga. But the police ain't call them damn selves. A Starbucks employee did. Pigs can get fucked for making the shit worse, but absent that phone call, none of us are in here.

Fuck em all, basically.

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Almost the entire focus is on Startbucks but the cops taking it as far as they did means they are worse. They could have shown up and said "They aren't doing anything wrong here." and kept it moving but they held them for 9hrs. and tried charging them. The police are worse in this instance.

You know Starbucks is made up entirely of individual people, right? Different race, religions, sexual orientation, whatever else you want to add in there. You're willing to "fuck em all" because of the actions of a single piece of shit?

Nah.

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He's talking about all involved.

 

[Deleted member 15326]

Almost the entire focus is on Startbucks but the cops taking it as far as they did means they are worse. They could have shown up and said "They aren't doing anything wrong here." and kept it moving but they held them for 9hrs. and tried charging them. The police are worse in this instance.

He's talking about all involved.

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You letting Rebecca off too light. She is no less at fault than the pigs, and she could have settled them at any time during that exchange. She wanted the outcome she got.

 

[Black-_-Hornet]

The caucacity of those employees who called the cops.

 

[echoshifting]

Doesn't sound like it, sounds like the store manager told Starbucks corporate that they didn't mean for the two black men to be arrested: https://news.starbucks.com/views/st...ter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=springfy18

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It's a bald-faced lie. What did she think was going to happen when she called the cops on these guys. A stern talking to

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Almost the entire focus is on Startbucks but the cops taking it as far as they did means they are worse. They could have shown up and said "They aren't doing anything wrong here." and kept it moving but they held them for 9hrs. and tried charging them. The police are worse in this instance.

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Indeed. The shit could have been resolved in a casual conversation. You know, like how policing works in any other 1st world country. Or how it works in the suburbs when maybe not black.

The caucacity of those employees who called the cops.

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i died

 

[Phoenix RISING]

How much longer are you two going to do this?

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Until racism dies.

 

[Enzom21]

You letting Rebecca off too light. She is no less at fault than the pigs, and she could have settled them at any time during that exchange. She wanted the outcome she got.

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Nah, I agree with Yasuke's sentiment of "fuck everyone" I just have issue with the entire focus being on Starbucks and ignoring how shit the cops were.
Fuck Becky for calling, fuck the cops for arresting them, fuck the cops for making it worse and fuck the commissioner for saying they did nothing wrong.

 

[TheOMan]

What a useless arrest. What would have happened if some bystander just gave them a few bucks to each buy a water so they could stay?

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Cops would have charged them with armed robbery and the baristas would have been their witnesses.

 

[DrBo42]

The caucacity of those employees who called the cops.

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Damn, that's gold.

Nah, I agree with Yasuke's sentiment of "fuck everyone" I just have issue with the entire focus being on Starbucks and ignoring how shit the cops were.
Fuck Becky for calling, fuck the cops for arresting them, fuck the cops for making it worse and fuck the commissioner for saying they did nothing wrong.

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This is like the one time it's not actually cops pulling some bullshit. They asked them to leave, they wouldn't. The cops can't leave until the people the business wants gone are actually gone. Regardless of how we feel about it, it's the job with a call like that. If they went straight from getting on scene to arresting the guys without giving them an out, yeah they'd be assholes. They COULD have put on a show for the business and pull the guys out with cuffs and then let them go outside but who knows if that can actually go down with that many officers showing up.

Edit: Reading more based on your "making it worse" comment. The matter of how long they held them is another matter but 9 hours seems much. As for trying to charge them I'm not sure how that actually works with trespassing. Is that up to the business to charge them? I'm not sure.

 

[BobLoblaw]

The caucacity of those employees who called the cops.

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Is this a thing? It should be a thing.

 

[TheOMan]

The CEO coming to face to face apologize actually feels like a solid move cause that's not something that happens, to anyone. I could dismiss this out of hand as PR but I have to believe in the change I want to see.

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I don't know. If nothing happens to the staff that called the cops, that move would be worthless.

 

[AstralTurfWarrior]

This is like the one time it's not actually cops pulling some bullshit. They asked them to leave, they wouldn't. The cops can't leave until the people the business wants gone are actually gone. Regardless of how we feel about it, it's the job with a call like that. If they went straight from getting on scene to arresting the guys without giving them an out, yeah they'd be assholes. They COULD have put on a show for the business and pull the guys out with cuffs and then let them go outside but who knows if that can actually go down with that many officers showing .

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Why would the cops be forced to do like a caller wants them to do? That doesn't seem to make any sense to me. They're not a security company but law enforcement. They could use their judgement like I'm sure they have to do all the time. People can't boss them around.

I don't live in the US but I assume it's the same there. If I call the cops for something stupid, they're not responsible to do what I want them to do. That'd would be insane.

 

[ham bone]

Damn, that's gold.


This is like the one time it's not actually cops pulling some bullshit. They asked them to leave, they wouldn't. The cops can't leave until the people the business wants gone are actually gone. Regardless of how we feel about it, it's the job with a call like that. If they went straight from getting on scene to arresting the guys without giving them an out, yeah they'd be assholes. They COULD have put on a show for the business and pull the guys out with cuffs and then let them go outside but who knows if that can actually go down with that many officers showing up.

Edit: Reading more based on your "making it worse" comment. The matter of how long they held them is another matter but 9 hours seems much. As for trying to charge them I'm not sure how that actually works with trespassing. Is that up to the business to charge them? I'm not sure.

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Why would the cops be forced to do like a caller wants them to do? That doesn't seem to make any sense to me. They're not a security company but law enforcement. They could use their judgement like I'm sure they have to do all the time. People can't boss them around.

I don't live in the US but I assume it's the same there. If I call the cops for something stupid, they're not responsible to do what I want them to do. That'd would be insane.

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Any public business has the right to ask people to leave as long as it's not based on race, color, creed, gender, religion, etc. Even though this has a clear racial bias the cops were unable to prove that at the time and were compelled to remove the two men.

But yeah, it it should have been a simple name and warrant search in the back of a car so the police could let them go about their day and the cops could go on to better stuff. 9 hours in custody for trespassing in a Starbucks? The dept will plead it as bureaucratic noise but c'mon.

 

[AstralTurfWarrior]

Any public business has the right to ask people to leave as long as it's not based on race, color, creed, gender, religion, etc. Even though this has a clear racial bias the cops were unable to prove that at the time and were compelled to remove the two men.

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Yes but can't they (edit: the cops I mean) like, ask if the employees have asked them to leave yet?

 

[DrBo42]

Yes but can't they like, ask if the employees have asked them to leave yet?

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It's in the video that the officers asked them to leave earlier. They refused. So the cuffs come out. I'm not sure where you live but this is how it works in the US. If a business wants you gone and cops are responding to the call, you're leaving. One way or another. I know everybody likes to point to the cops as the ones at fault (and there's a high chance they are when the guns come out) but this is 100% on that asshole employee.

 

[MarkMcLovin]

At least they didnt get shot /s

Anyway I've never understood the whole locking the toilet thing.

And hopefully these 2 can sue.

 

[Puroresu_kid]

The manager and the police deserve a fuck you.

The manager calling the police but claiming didn't want them arrested is laughable.

 

[Thornton Reed]

What year is this? How is this still happening. America is a fucked up place. I hope the manager from Starbucks is sacked. Nothing will happen to the police, they lacked any sense of decency and will be protected by procedure.

What an embarrassing story.

 

[Torpedo Vegas]

Maybe Starbucks didn't call the cops. What if Jeff Sessions got into his racist Cerebro like Professor X and found a black guy to call the cops on. I don't know I'm just asking questions.

 

[Deleted member 39214]

It's a crime to sell coffee at those prices anyway , Starbucks needs to burn and crash like the shit show of a company they are, with their lame ass apology

 

[Bman94]

Dunkin Donuts coffee is better anyway. I'm done with Starbucks.

 

[AstralTurfWarrior]

It's in the video that the officers asked them to leave earlier. They refused. So the cuffs come out. I'm not sure where you live but this is how it works in the US. If a business wants you gone and cops are responding to the call, you're leaving. One way or another. I know everybody likes to point to the cops as the ones at fault (and there's a high chance they are when the guns come out) but this is 100% on that asshole employee.

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I meant the cops, thinking that the store manager just straight up called the cops without asking the guys to leave and that the cops should've asked the employees if they ever did that before calling the cops, but I see I missed that the store owner did do that.

But other than that, it's still egregious behavior from cops too. Like, did they really have to arrest them to get them out? Did they have to keep them for so long?

 

[Tbro777]

It's a bald-faced lie. What did she think was going to happen when she called the cops on these guys. A stern talking to

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Yep, a big fat lie. I work at a hotel/resort. I've had to call the police many times to have guests removed. The cops always ask if I want to press charges, I say no, I just want them out. Now as long as the guest leaves, no one is arrested but if they come back then that's when they get arrested. So for the manager to say they didn't want them to be arrested is a lie, cops won't arrest you for loitering or trespassing unless the business owner wants to press charges.

 

[nopressure]

there's absolutely nothing illegal about sitting in a coffee shop and waiting for a friend to arrive before making an order. i do it all the time. it's normal.

it's insane these guys got arrested and held for 9 hours in a police station for this.

 

[Bold One]

Maybe Starbucks didn't call the cops. What if Jeff Sessions got into his racist Cerebro like Professor X and found a black guy to call the cops on. I don't know I'm just asking questions.

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Now there's a horrifying thought.

 

[KingSnake]

Good to know that Starbucks is a shitty company with shitty policies that employs morons as store managers. Pretty good reasons to avoid it.

And US police acts a lot of times in an overblown manner. Especially against minorities.

 

[Usagi]

It's a crime to sell coffee at those prices anyway , Starbucks needs to burn and crash like the shit show of a company they are, with their lame ass apology

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It's not a crime. Is 5 bucks really too much for you? What an ignorant post you made.

 

[Ac30]

The caucacity of those employees who called the cops.

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Goddamn lmao

 

[KimiNewt]

Should Starbucks really take the blame for this? I mean, they obviously have a responsibility for whatever happens in their shops and for their employees' behaviour. I think the two men can sue and Starbucks should pay them for that, because they're responsible.

But it's not like it was company policy or we have any evidence that it was encouraged in some way. The people who are to blame are the manager and the cops who arrested and later kept them under arrest for no reason. I think saying "I'm never drinking in any Starbucks because of this" is missing the point.

 

[Messofanego]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/34zwuw/comment/cqzprew?st=JG0B69OZ&sh=4f8b21a4
Nah. Cops get calls from racists all the time. They didn't have to arrest them and they most certainly didbt have to hold them for 9hrs. The manager caused the initial harm but cops being cops, made it infinitely worse. They are the bigger pieces of shit here.

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Wish there was a way to punish first time racist callers. Thanks for that link, nice to read about not racist cops having to deal with this bull.

 

[Staticneuron]

It's in the video that the officers asked them to leave earlier. They refused. So the cuffs come out. I'm not sure where you live but this is how it works in the US. If a business wants you gone and cops are responding to the call, you're leaving. One way or another. I know everybody likes to point to the cops as the ones at fault (and there's a high chance they are when the guns come out) but this is 100% on that asshole employee.

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No it doesn't. There are laws that protect people and just because a cop asks or demands doesn't mean they are in the right. There are many public examples of this like when the Utah cop arrested the nurse for not doing what he said. He was fired. The moment people forget they have rights, especially in the US, is the point this country steps away from the freedoms it was founded on.

 

[Deleted member 42]

Philly PD were basically like 'lets protect the rich district people'

They fucked up

 

[NoName999]

The caucacity of those employees who called the cops.

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[MilesQ]

Is this a franchised Starbucks?

If it is, someone should plan boycotts and protests. That's the only way to teach some people the hard lesson of not being a racist cunt.

 

[Deleted member 39214]

It's not a crime. Is 5 bucks really too much for you? What an ignorant post you made.

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When they avoid paying tax yes I have a problem with how much they are charging consumers, I don't think you need to defend such a shitty company

 

[Anti]

Philly PD were basically like 'lets protect the rich district people'

They fucked up

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It's what every police do, protect rich people.

 

[Yasuke]

You know Starbucks is made up entirely of individual people, right? Different race, religions, sexual orientation, whatever else you want to add in there. You're willing to "fuck em all" because of the actions of a single piece of shit?

Nah.

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Can you read?

Did I say Starbucks called them, or did I say a Starbucks employee?

Try that one again and then come back.

Almost the entire focus is on Startbucks but the cops taking it as far as they did means they are worse. They could have shown up and said "They aren't doing anything wrong here." and kept it moving but they held them for 9hrs. and tried charging them. The police are worse in this instance.

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This is like blaming a mad dog for attacking someone more than the person that intentionally let the dog go in the first place.

Fuck em both, really.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

It's in the video that the officers asked them to leave earlier. They refused. So the cuffs come out. I'm not sure where you live but this is how it works in the US. If a business wants you gone and cops are responding to the call, you're leaving. One way or another. I know everybody likes to point to the cops as the ones at fault (and there's a high chance they are when the guns come out) but this is 100% on that asshole employee.

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"If" the cops asked them to leave and they refused then we have a whole new ball game. You cant refuse a lawful order even if its bullshit. Its private property and even though.

"The right to do something doesn't make it right to do!"

Every one knows once you go to the district, regardless of charges, you're looking at a 6 hour sit down. Misdemeanors or Felony. Cops don't give a fuck once they get the pinch.

 

[Simplegamer]

Almost the entire focus is on Startbucks but the cops taking it as far as they did means they are worse. They could have shown up and said "They aren't doing anything wrong here." and kept it moving but they held them for 9hrs. and tried charging them. The police are worse in this instance.

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I agree. If them being there was that big of an issue they could of escorted them off of the premises but holding them for 9 hours for absolutely nothing is terrible and shows just how badly the police handled the situation.

 

[Border]

Should Starbucks really take the blame for this? I mean, they obviously have a responsibility for whatever happens in their shops and for their employees' behaviour. I think the two men can sue and Starbucks should pay them for that, because they're responsible.

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If the store manager made the call, (s)he should probably be fired. Even ignoring the racial component, the manager is supposed to be someone adept and personable enough to navigate through difficult situations with troublesome customers. They are arguably supposed to be the most permissive, tolerant, and understanding person in the store. Their default position is not supposed to be a hard-line "Do what I say or I am calling the police". I could forgive a rank-and-file barista or shift supervisor for doing this just because they don't know how to deal with the situation otherwise, but a salaried manger is supposed to be better than that.

 

[Driggonny]

Anyone calling the cops on black people these days should understand what that entails. The store manager definitely deserves some blame

 

[KingSnake]

The store manager had no reason to call the cops. The guys weren't disturbing anything by all accounts. Hell, the store manager had no reason to kick them out.

 

[Strat]

Can you read?

Did I say Starbucks called them, or did I say a Starbucks employee?

Try that one again and then come back.

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You were replying directly to someone who thought Starbucks was getting too much shit, though? Sorry if that wasn't your intent, but when you reply to someone saying "Entity is taking too much shit" with "fuck em all" it's pretty easy to interpret it the way I did.

Sorry.

 

[Deleted member 23381]

It's frankly ridiculous that the manager hasn't been fired.

And the cops help those guys for so long why?

'Though it still doesn't top walking every day by the Little Caesars near Broad and Girard where a cashier threw a cash register at a robber

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Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

 

[Deleted member 887]

As stated the Manager knew the potential consequences.

If the manager didn't want them arrested she could have easily stepped in. She didn't

 

[DrBo42]

No it doesn't. There are laws that protect people and just because a cop asks or demands doesn't mean they are in the right. There are many public examples of this like when the Utah cop arrested the nurse for not doing what he said. He was fired. The moment people forget they have rights, especially in the US, is the point this country steps away from the freedoms it was founded on.

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They weren't arrested for disobeying the police. They were arrested because they would not leave the premises of the business willingly. This has 0 to do with "knowing your rights."

 

[Deleted member 36708]

If I'm the two black men I say fuck your apology. I wouldn't give that ceo the time or day or photo op he wants.

 

[LL_Decitrig]

I'm pretty sure a restaurant owner cannot call the police to eject a peaceful person who refuses to leave. Maybe it's different in the United States, but in England at least the law of trespass doesn't work like that. As owner, operator or employee of an establishment you can use reasonable force (no more than necessary) to eject them, but if there is no crime involved the police have no business there.