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Sitting In Starbucks While Black
- Thread starter LionPride
- Start date
You pretty much countered your own point LOL. Exactly, we don't have actual situations to draw from because white people are rarely, if ever, in these situations to begin with.
I feel like I need more context than what there is in the OP. From the basic sound of it Iooks shitty but, were they behaving badly? Were they doing anything suspicious? How long were they sitting there without ordering before their friend came in? 1 min? 5? 30? 1 hour? I mean I won't and can't discard the racism option at all but I feel we might be missing a piece of story.
You know you'd think white people would be eager to throw racists under the bus just to have the appearance of being the "good guy" but you know unless the situation is 1000% the fault of the cops or whatever, they'll rationalize it anyhow.
I suppose it's because they want the same benefit of the doubt if they happen to be in a racist incident perpetuated by themselves.
I suppose it's because they want the same benefit of the doubt if they happen to be in a racist incident perpetuated by themselves.
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Well, by my experience, if these two men were white, and everything else was the same, yes. Just for the sake of it, I responded to a LOT of calls in my career about white people loitering in businesses. So... yes.
I got called naive in the missile thread and I can accept that, because Im no expert nor super familiar with ME conflict.
So Im going to call you naive when it comes to racial interactions in America between people. Ive literally seen people talk to others and entirely switch up on someone else of a different race in a span of seconds.
Aint this some gold right here. We basically have to make shit up and theorize because it aint even happening to begin with
So if the employees were just following protocol why is Starbucks apologising?
I've seen a great deal of things when it comes to racial interactions in America between people lol. I'm naive?
Let's take a look at my life here...
I went to a high school was that was predominantly African-American, I was one of five white students. I think I've seen a lot of racial interactions in that respect. I was in law enforcement for 13 years, two of which was in a city that was 73% African-American, 24% white. I worked in a city where the clerk of a gas station calls the cops for a white man loitering, and not an african-american man, AT THE SAME time. I worked in a city where we had more calls against white men loitering than any other race or ethnicity.
I've seen my fair share of racially tense situations. I'm naive though.
There's a protocol for customers that have been asked to leave and refuse to do so.
It gets much more muddy about who exactly should be asked to leave and why. I think they are tacitly admitting that those guys probably should not have been told to hit the road.
I don't know, its possible actual situations were posted were actual white people were actually removed for trespassing numerous times and you guys said they were anecdotal and I got warned for arguing in bad faith. You're probably right that this never happens.
What an amazing biography and share of life experiences you have. I'm surprised that with this kind of experience you can't see this situation for what it is. And lol @ comparing gas station loitering being the same as sitting in a casual eatery where simply socializing is a common practice for 1000's across the country everyday.
You know what the difference is?
Those spots you had to report to probably weren't the goto corporate hipster lounge we are discussing here. Ya know, the business that offers free wifi as a perk explicitly to have people come in and hang out and possibly order something. Please let me know if you heave dealt with a Starbucks loitering complaint. Keep in mind that loitering itself is a half ass "crime" in itself. Staying in one place too long... yeah thats a huge problem there. You should be well aware how easy "loitering" is applied to black males then.
With that background of yours, you should be well aware how racially charged this shit is. Call it what you want, "loitering, trespassing, fucking sitting down"
Clearly the barista didn't want them in store because she went from 0 to order or I call the damn cops...
Who thinks like that? Who acts like that? A racist.
Here another point: See that guy in the video sticking up for them? He just walked in the store... He didn't buy a goddamn thing. I didn't see the barista threaten him to buy something. He actually caused more of a commotion than the others guys by sticking up for them!
You were arguing in bad faith. You were ignoring the facts of this case to push your own bias based on your wife's past experiences in a different state and city.
The point isn't that white people dont get removed for trespassing, it's that these two men weren't trespassing and that the Starbucks employees and police overreacted.
They didn't have priors like you were hoping.
I'll wait to see what the guys who were arrested have to say. I simply don't buy the police version of events.
You are ignoring the reality that people of color face, typical of a police officer really.
That is fucking crazy. Sue, sue sue. My white ass was sitting in a starbucks for like 45 minutes not ordering anything a couple weeks ago and no problemo.
I wasn't hoping they had priors. However many many posts claim that white people don't get removed for trespassing, which I was and am countering. But you know what, no one cares. The narrative for this thread is linear and clear. Have at it, I'm out.
Real talk. People go into Starbucks to "hang out" all the time. Hell you have people that set up shop with a laptop and sit there and browse all day.
You cared enough to come in here and bitch about people questioning your "great knowledge" of the situation. Hey, before you tantrum out of the thread, can you link to the posters that you claimed assumed you were racist?
So you can come into and buy nothing and use Wi-Fi or just relax. They are known for being a free lounge. And there's definitely no bullshit about the bathrooms because it wouldn't make any sense. So saying they were trespassing is wholly untrue especially considering they had a reason to be there.
What the damn?
What the damn?
The gas station is just an example. It happens at fast food places, family restaurants, and so on. See it for what it is? I don't sit here and generalize situations based on other accounts unless it has something related to this. If this had happened before in the same situation at this store, then that would change my perspective on it.
I disagree that it was racially charged. I'm not saying your view is wrong. I'm not saying mine right.
I'm not ignoring it at all.
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No need to argue the racial component with me unless there is more to this incident than what we already know.
Nah its iight, Lets just ignore the fact that half the reason Starbucks has a name is because it allowed bloggers sit they ass down all day while working. And everyone cried in glee in how awesome that was.
Lets ignore the fact that Starbucks advertises itself as a lounge
Lets ignore the fact that this practice became widespread to McDonalds and Chicfila because its good business and gets people in the store.
Lets ignore the fact that these men are real estate brokers because you obviously can't be in real estate if you don't wear suit, tie, dress shirt and dress pants 24/7
So them explaining why they were there was them "refusing to leave"?
So does this help y'all "this wasn't racist" folks out?
It's 2018 and this shit still happens. It makes me so angry that we have basically have to be on our best behavior and people still don't believe it's racist. It blows my mind.
No need to argue the racial component of a racially motivated event. Sure Jan, your shtick is pretty transparent.
See the problem is, Im inclined to believe this paragraph from the article has you burying your head to the reality of the situation. Its not about being right or wrong, Its about calling what this shit is... Discrimination.
wait a min................
soooo you're officially clown shoes right now!
And just like that, everyone claiming there is no racial component to this, disappears from the thread.
like I said before this bathroom policy is selectively enforced.
Would these loitering white people be handcuffed by police even when there's no aggression?
From Starbucks Website:
And you expect no one to use the bathroom? You openly welcome what the two men were there for.
And you expect no one to use the bathroom? You openly welcome what the two men were there for.
I'm not sure how any of these questions you asked for clarification would make the arrest legitimate.
Yes. I had to arrest plenty of white people loitering, handcuffs and all.
You're missing the point of two different statements I made.