Are people really clamoring for a remake of this game?
I think people are clamoring for the breath of the wild sequel and not another remake.
I think people are clamoring for the breath of the wild sequel and not another remake.
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Skyward Sword Remake With No Motion Controls Would Be "Close to Impossible" - Eiji Aonuma
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It's a resetera poll. It means close to nothing. If anything you could use it as evidence that Skyward Sword is the greatest game ever made.
Haven't read the whole thread (I'm sure someone has pointed out) but that would feel like a mobile game... An Elderscroll Bladesesque abomination.
And I thought I disliked SS enough already...
Maybe part of the problem here is conflating remaster with remake.
A remaster of the game - HD upres, improved textures and lighting - would be extremely difficult to pull off if they wanted to remove the motion controls. They'd have to substantially rework the game, which isn't always the point of a remaster.
A remake of the game - created from the ground up for Switch with new technology - would be time-consuming and would command some of Nintendo's limited development resources, unless they outsourced it. But, in this case, it'd be easier to remove the motion controls because they'd be starting from scratch and recreating the game's locations, puzzles and story, rather than working within the existing game, if that makes sense.
A remaster of the game - HD upres, improved textures and lighting - would be extremely difficult to pull off if they wanted to remove the motion controls. They'd have to substantially rework the game, which isn't always the point of a remaster.
A remake of the game - created from the ground up for Switch with new technology - would be time-consuming and would command some of Nintendo's limited development resources, unless they outsourced it. But, in this case, it'd be easier to remove the motion controls because they'd be starting from scratch and recreating the game's locations, puzzles and story, rather than working within the existing game, if that makes sense.
A lot of the game IS built around motion. That means the gameplay is slower so that it can accomodate a less precise method of control input. Enemy and boss AI move and attack with that in mind.
This discussion always comes up in regards to Metroid Prime 3 too. If the Trilogy does end up on Switch, how much will they modify Corruption's gameplay? Or will they keep it as it is because it's only 1/3 of the game?
So yeah, it wouldn't be necessarily "close to impossible", but it would require more rework than one would think necessary.
I hear a lot of negativity towards the game in Era, but I'd still like to experience it. Joycon gyro controls "sorta" work in Skyrim (and will probably be used in Blades) so I'm not sure why they're hesitating on a remaster or entertaining the thought of playing without motion controls.
Is the IR in the right joycon lacking in some way they haven't revealed?
Is the IR in the right joycon lacking in some way they haven't revealed?
Ah ah, I can imagine how amused he was.
Many consumers can't grasp the intricacy of game design.
Especially if the switch revisions are real(and at this point its just probably a matter of weeks bf they get announced) i really cant see nintendo ever forcing motion only again. They cant expect that people buy seperate joycon controllers if said person bought a switch mini, it completely defeats the purpose of a switch mini if they need to bring extra controllers with them.
Unless I'm misunderstanding things, he's not saying it couldn't be remade on Switch; he's saying that he couldn't see a way for the remake to include a 'no motion controls' option.
In other words, he does seem to be asserting that the joycons would be fine for this purpose.
I don't even want a straight up port, Skyward sword is better left on the Wii as a reminder of how not to make a Zelda game.
Not because of motion controls which were great, but the rest of the game
Not because of motion controls which were great, but the rest of the game
Then again he's also confused about what link would do if Zelda was playable so ... shrugs.
The Wii+Nunchuck only has one control stick. You just map the motion slashes to the right stick.
The Wii mote + Nunchuck has 11 buttons + 1 stick
The switch has 14 + 2 sticks. Surely you can work out something with that extra button easy enough
What does the IR camera have to do with anything?
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The problem isn't that it's not technically possible, it's that it'd be a bit shit to actually play.
It's the same reason kid Icarus uprising won't be rerelease on switch either. You could feasibly make it playable on a second stick setup but it's a game built on the assumption you have more control.
The closest you could probably get for the sword play would be aping metal gear risings sword mode, but I still don't think it would be a particularly good fit for skyward sword.
I should replay Skyward Sword to form an actual opinion on if I think it's doable or not.
Edit: Also oops @ quoting myself. :T
I doubt it would be any worse than the current version. I remember constantly re-calibrating / re-centering in order for the motion controls to not be complete shit.
If they went to the same lengths they did with Wind Waker HD it wouldn't be so tough to make the changes needed. Changing it for a cheap and nasty port would be impossible.
Just because you think its the worst, doesn't make it the worst.
Just because you think its the worst, doesn't make it the worst.
Dungeons were great in TP. Midna's the best companion in a Zelda game too, imo. But that's all the game has going for it... everything else feels like a step back.
Is nothing the motion controls did that couldn't be achieved with a second analogue stick.
And at least that would be responsive and not desync every few motion actions.
And at least that would be responsive and not desync every few motion actions.
Personally I actually liked the motion controls and had no issues with them...
But for those that disliked them initially I'm sure the arguement would be that on release the game was a bit shit to play, so why does it matter if the shit is slightly different this time?
Mapping doesn't seem to hard though
L3= C
L1= move nunchuck
L1+ R Stick = spin attack
R3 = draw sword. Hold to
R Stick = 8 directional buttons that control the sword with a quick flick.
If I remember rightly, SS only used gyro and not the pointer, so should work 1:1
Happy to be corrected
Yeha I also agree with this. The game didn't have camera control in the original anyway so it's not like something would be replaced. Hope they consider it as an option
It doesn't work in tandem with the gyros for more precise tracking and positioning (through distance) for the joycon?
Skyward Sword only used it as a quick "on the fly" recalibration method, so they could surely just map the same feature to a key and call it a day.
After all, IIRC even Skyward Sword had this feature, you would just lose autorecalibration with the joycons if they ported the game to Switch (the IR camera is on the back of the joycon, and anyway I don't remember it being ever used for the infamous "IR markers" function in a way that resembles the original wiimote)
No. It's only used to track external objects for applications like 1-2 Switch and Labo. It's not really designed for tracking the Joy-Con itself, and I imagine the lack of any known reference point combined with the high resolution likely introducing some latency makes such a use case not possible.
SS did do this, yes, but purely as a reference point to automatically recenter, nothing more. Without a sensor bar (and a front facing IR camera), the Switch cannot do the same.
Good luck getting this game to work without motion controls. It was specifically designed around motion+. This is the big downside to designing games around a systems specific gimmick and the sad thing is, the game would have probobaly been better without motion controls, but here we are. Porting SS in the future might be next to impossible and the effort required might not be worth it. Just as something like Star Fox Zero or Kid Icarus Uprising, i doubt we will see this game again. Even if they figure out the motion control issues, there is still a truckload of issues waiting to be fixed with a Skyward Sword remaster that plagued the original game. Nintendo might as well not bother. The game wasn't good and if someone want's to experience it then Dolphin is the way to go.
Aonuma already teased it, it's coming. Just with the motion controls in their full glory, based on this interview.
SS remake with no motion is already out of question, as far as Aonuma is concerned.
Most combat would need to be rehauled in order to implement actual button control.
Indeed. I just hope it releases before I graduate and my main commute isn't the train anymore lol.
The controls is one of the things that makes this game very unique. I agree on this, you really feel in control of links Sword movements. I don't know if it would be possible on Switch (i guess it could?), but more people needs to play this game (i'm sure some hold themselves back due to the WM+ gimmick). I'm also sure it would benefit from the HD upgrade enormously (it looks great in Dolphin).
Do it Nintendo
Do it Nintendo
It would need a from the ground up redesign. I can't see them ever expending the resources needed on it.
It might work better on Switch. I would assume the joycons are better in terms of motion control than the Wiimote Plus.
The only movement I had an issue with was the Skyward Strike. All the rest worked for me.
It might work better on Switch. I would assume the joycons are better in terms of motion control than the Wiimote Plus.
The only movement I had an issue with was the Skyward Strike. All the rest worked for me.
He's right.
And also a lot of peeps hate on SS too much. Soundtrack and story were some of the best in the series. Motion controls felt fine when it clicked.
And also a lot of peeps hate on SS too much. Soundtrack and story were some of the best in the series. Motion controls felt fine when it clicked.
I never understood why people expected a version of this without motion controls. Assuming they played it.
Playing Skyward Sword without motion is like taking 70% its gameplay. Motion control is what makes Skyward Sword special and i adore it.
