Not really, the motion controls made the game great. You haters just aren't as good gamers, and too accustomed to your oldfashioned dual analog controls.
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Skyward Sword Remake With No Motion Controls Would Be "Close to Impossible" - Eiji Aonuma
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Not really, the motion controls made the game great. You haters just aren't as good gamers, and too accustomed to your oldfashioned dual analog controls.
I'm too accustomed to responsiveness in games. That's probably why you start the game with SIX hearts - so you don't ragequit when you invariably die by unresponsive infrared and broken gyroscope registry.
Also worst final boss (and recycled penultimate bosses) in Zelda history?
I mean yeah, the sheer novelty of motion controls and Wii Motion+ at the time was one of a handful of things that made that game salvageable. Skyward Sword basically exists as a tech demo for motion controls that came at the tail-end of the system's lifecycle. It's like the Star Fox Zero of Zelda, where the system's main gimmick is shoved into everything even when it could be accomplished better via some more conventional means.
People who dislike SS aren't uniformly haters of motion controls. I love Splatoon's gyro aiming, and think it's a damn shame devs won't utilize gyro in the DS4 for aiming in shooters. RE4 on Wii is still the definitive version for its pointer controls. SS's implementation didn't improve the combat though, it just turned every encounter into a tedious, braindead-simple puzzle. Bow aiming was cool, but that was already done with the pointer in Twilight Princess. The bird, swimming, bomb rolling, and half of the other shit you do in that game could have been accomplished via other means and on the whole the motion controls brought nothing new to the table aside from dumbing down combat.
And putting that aside, a lot of SS's design is just boring and tedious. Flying on the bird is tedious. Collecting tadstones is tedious. Fighting The Imprisoned 3 times is tedious. Getting interrupted by Fi every five minutes to tutorialize everything and explain half the goddamned puzzles is tedious.
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You are confusing Motion Controls with the pointer. If I remember correctly MP3 only used motion for the grapling hook pull and that could be changed to a button prompt. The game is designed around the pointer and the speed it allows, though, so it would be hard to make it work with a dual analog without compromises, as you said.
Skyward on the other hand doesn't use the pointer at all. Perhaps on the title screen or the menus? But that's about it.
I know some have suggested doing directional slashes, but the game takes notice of how your sword is being positioned for some blocking and puzzles. I don't think you could make it work unless you dedicate a whole analog stick to it, but that could feel very clunky.
Then play the last two AC games to see what good swimming controls look like.
This is still bad controls.
That's all dome with buttons though right? Are there any things in Breath of the Wild that can only be done with motion controls?
That is correct. It only used IR for the opening screen and maybe for extra calibration.
It would. But this is in response to people who want to play without such gyro controls with a traditional pad.
Couldn't they patch it so that Link just automatically swings in the right direction depending on what he's interacting with?
It's not asking, it's knowing that the game was built around it. It's not like Twilight Princess.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Switch can do motion controls.
I played the definitive GC version not the lesser mirrored right handed version. 🙃
Flying and swimming were controlled by motion controls. To move down you would need to move your wrist downward, which felt very uncomfortable to do. I believe that swimming and flying should have options for joystick control at the very least.
That's like asking "Shouldn't the game automatically move Mario to the platform he needs to jump on when you hit the jump button?"
A lot of combat revolves around advanced swordplay. In a lot of instances, you're 1 to 1 with an enemy who will block your attacks in certain directions and part of the fun is trying to outsmart the (and part of the game's frustration is the game not registering the move you made)
I've kinda explained my reasons earlier in the thread: Some of us can't use motion controls due to various disabilities and such, myself included. Like I mentioned, I have leniency to Party Games, VR Games, and stuff that use the Camera, but if you're a main entry title of a series that normally uses traditional controls, then that's a serious issue.
Nothing about Skyward Sword is great except the soundtrack. It's the worst Zelda by a wide margin.
From a vision of the game standpoint I totally understand. It game was designed around motion controls. I think joy cons would do just fine in the motion department. Either way it doesn't matter to me. We know a remake will happen one day at some point.
I'm a big fan of Skyward Sword, and I firmly believe it wouldn't really work all that well or be all that fun without the motion control gimmick (but I guess this would be subject to your patience), but you're right. This game probably should have been a spin-off of sorts. It alienated a lot of people with the motion control be inherent to its design. Here's hoping you can play all future Zelda titles!
That said, if you've never played this game have you looked into some control setups emulating it on Dolphin? There may be a way to set it up without the motion controls that could help you play more comfortably. It wouldn't be perfect, but it may be possible.
I actually didnt mind the motion controls in SS. They were enjoyable IMO. Some of the fighting required you to tilt the wiimote at a certain angle to get the hit, so it makes sense that taking that out of it would be impossible.
However, the thing they really need to take out is the 2-3 hour intro sequence that SLOWWWLLLYYYY teaches you mechanics like youre a 4 year old.
However, the thing they really need to take out is the 2-3 hour intro sequence that SLOWWWLLLYYYY teaches you mechanics like youre a 4 year old.
I actually looked into this awhile back, and judging from comments (I think even in this thread), it's still not easily feasible to do so. Apparently it still requires swapping between multiple controller set ups and it's not a very comfortable way to play. Plus, I heard that the attacking is wonky on current mappings. Considering I also have issues of being overwhelmed easily, which even basic controls can do to me sometimes (juuuust ran into this while playing Sonic Lost World yesterday, of all things), probably wouldn't be a good idea, haha.
It sucks, because this was always the one Zelda game I wanted to play and couldn't due to various circumstances. Ah well.
But yeah, knowing what I do know about this game, it'd require quite a lot of overhaul that'd it be essentially re-coding a good chunk of the game to function on a regular controller set up. So it wouldn't be a simple port and arguably close to remaking the game without entirely removing all the code. Even the 3DS Zelda ports really didn't tamper too much with the base code, outside of quality of life changes and revamping the rendering engine, bug fixes (some purposely left in, though a couple of the more problematic ones did slip through, notably one in Majora's Mask), and the like. So that'd definitely require quite a lot more work.
Nintendo stated that they plan on having annual Zelda releases on Switch, so I wonder what is coming for 2020. BotW 2 seems like a 2021 release to me, so I was hoping for the supposed SS port/remaster using joycons.
I agree but I also was very easily frustrated by the poor motion controls. If they remake it ever it needs options for standard controls.
They were never a problem to begin with. Sadly some people just don't like motion controls. I don't care if it freaks out a little, the level of control offered is hugely beneficial to gameplay. SS has the best combat in Zelda because of the motion controls. It has great items because how it's used by motion.
SS has a lot wrong with it, motion controls were one of the best parts.
SS has a lot wrong with it, motion controls were one of the best parts.
That sucks :-(
Are there any peripherals out there that could be if help to you?
I think SS's dungeons are easier than TP's but are also more unique and interesting with more exciting combat. TP has a better challenge and harder puzzles if that's what you're looking for.
It's not "lesser" because it's mirrored. Literally not a factor.
Couldn't the game be played with separate joycons anyway? Isn't the motion on those as good or if not better than Wii motion plus?
As many have already said, that's not ideal.
You'd need to rework enemy behavior to suit a different control scheme. The game is built to be relatively forgiving and telegraphed in order to accomodate a slower, more imprecise input. Just implementing buttons doesn't solve that problem.
It has been considered lesser because Link is right-handed in the Wii version. It was a playful throwback to that argument that went over your head.
He's correct. IIRC there were at least 2 modders trying to make the game playable without motion controls back in the day... pretty sure neither of them released anything because it ended up being unworkable.
Edit: yeah I think that 360 mod above was one of them.
Edit: yeah I think that 360 mod above was one of them.
Yeah the real reason it's lesser is because the sun rises in the west and sets in the east in that game. Disgusting.
Seriously go back and look at discussions on the Wii version. People were upset Link was right handed in it and proceeded to call it inferior.