The Joycons have better motion technology than the Wii Remote Plus so I don't know what's holding them back.
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Skyward Sword Remake With No Motion Controls Would Be "Close to Impossible" - Eiji Aonuma
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I don't know what it is but I've played through every Zelda game and I loved SS. Easily top 5 for me. I can see how its weaknesses would be a non-starter for others, but the things it does well are the things I like most about Zelda games.
Anyway, I just hope there's at least some sort of remaster in the future, along with the other HD games. I really want to be able to have the whole series portable, so hopefully they could figure out something possibly with the touch controls that would make it playable in handheld mode. I'm sure they'd have to be creative but that's sort of what Nintendo prides itself on.
Anyway, I just hope there's at least some sort of remaster in the future, along with the other HD games. I really want to be able to have the whole series portable, so hopefully they could figure out something possibly with the touch controls that would make it playable in handheld mode. I'm sure they'd have to be creative but that's sort of what Nintendo prides itself on.
Skyward Sword has the best Zelda dungeons I've played by far. I think it contains too much out-of-dungeon padding, but it doesn't deserve all the derision.
(I'm tempted to say "best dungeons in the series", but I haven't played Twilight Princess yet and I've heard those are really good.)
(I'm tempted to say "best dungeons in the series", but I haven't played Twilight Princess yet and I've heard those are really good.)
Probably deciding how to adjust that for handheld mode.
Yeah, I know tabletop mode would work and there are games that are incompatible with certain modes right now but I think they'd want to design it for all three modes of the Switch.
Anyways screw it - I want HD versions of the 3DS Hero of Time games, they don't deserve to be stuck on the 3DS screen !
The game is built entirely around using motion. I think it would be a lesser experience without it.
The joycon are better in everything but one thing: aim.
As they do not have a reference you have to be recalibrating the center manually all the time.
I'd love to see it on Switch nonetheless. Never played it. Only watched the cutscenes on YouTube. Maybe that's a better experience?
IIRC Skyward Sword didn't use the infrared sensor for aiming, so there wouldn't be any drawbacks with joycons.
Is it the translation, or does the answer to this question sound a lot like its already in the works and they got joycon motion controls working as a replacement to the Wii Remote+ and Nunchuck ?
Hated the motion controls, but also found the game itself to be a drag. It's one of the few Zelda games that I've never finished, and I tried playing through it multiple times.
Twilight Princess is the worst. Skyward Sword is actually essential to the lore of the series. For that alone, it puts it above Twilight
This. Fuck the haters. The motion controls were the best part of the game. The only thing that didn't work was a few mini games, bit tbe core gameplay worked well with motion controls. Sword fighting, other weapons/items, solving puzzles, etc
Well, yes, the game is basically built around them. The battles are all motion control puzzles, as is most everything else. It would certainly require some very heavy reworking.
You can already play the game without motion controls on Dolphin, but I guess Nintendo simply doesn't want to do a version of the game that uses traditional controls. And that's all fine and dandy. It's their game and they manage it however they want.
I loved the motion controls. But I found the near complete lack of exploration exhausting. It made for a game that was somehow less than the sum of its parts.
The core "feeling" of the Zelda games was lost. The feeling that Miyamoto had while exploring caves as a child.
This was just a collection of Zelda puzzles.
Good Zelda puzzles. But that's all.
It's really the antithesis of Breath of the Wild.
Not all Zeldas should be alike and that's the point.
I'm fine in that Skyward is a linear corridor experience.
I'm fine in that Skyward is a linear corridor experience.
Thank you for making all the doubters look silly. Of course it can be done. They should do an HD remaster with both options. They would pretty much need to remove them anyway if you wanted full handheld support.
It wasn't my intention to "make them look silly", honestly. I'm the first to admit that the Dolphin solution is not ideal by any means. But I don't understand why implementing traditional controls is "close to impossible". There must be a vital piece of technical information that we're missing. Either that, or they simply don't want to do it. And, again, that's fine.
As expected, the fine nuance of motion controls are affecting access to Nintendo's back catalog. Too bad, I have no issues with it and I do think highly of Skyward Sword and what motion controls brought to the table.
Give us Twilight Princess HD for Switch in 2020.
Give us Twilight Princess HD for Switch in 2020.
I mean, close to impossible does sound hyperbolic but it would require reworking the game in so many ways that it would essentially no longer be Skyward Sword. Love them or hate them the motion controls are what makes SS what it is, you take that away then you might as well just make a new Zelda game (which they're doing).
I think SS gets a rough time, i had few problems with the motion controls and while the game is flawed in many ways (repeated boss battles, the sky open world is so empty it's kind of pointless etc) it also has some extremely memorable moments. Lanayru Desert is one my favourite areas in a Zelda game. You can question my taste levels or preferences here but as a Zelda game I much prefer SS over BotW which, as impressive as it is on a technical level really doesn't feel like much of a Zelda game to me. I still think Nintendo should have just been brave and made BotW it's own new franchise/IP.
I think SS gets a rough time, i had few problems with the motion controls and while the game is flawed in many ways (repeated boss battles, the sky open world is so empty it's kind of pointless etc) it also has some extremely memorable moments. Lanayru Desert is one my favourite areas in a Zelda game. You can question my taste levels or preferences here but as a Zelda game I much prefer SS over BotW which, as impressive as it is on a technical level really doesn't feel like much of a Zelda game to me. I still think Nintendo should have just been brave and made BotW it's own new franchise/IP.
This is why they never should have made a mainline Zelda game using motion controls in the first place
At least Twilight Princess was able to be salvaged
I like Skyward Sword, but it's a great game in spite of it's controls, not because of them
At least Twilight Princess was able to be salvaged
I like Skyward Sword, but it's a great game in spite of it's controls, not because of them
I think the Galaxies were salvaged on the Shield if you map the motions controls on the right stick
I'd be up for a Joycon version of they can replicate (and improve) the controls, however Skyward Swords controls were not perfect
They worked maybe 90-95% of the time, but anything under 100% is clearly going to cause frustration
Imagine playing a Mario game where A only made you jump 90-95% of the time you pressed it. It would be infuriating
The controls were impressive for the time, but there is a reason they're so divisive, and that is because not everyone can tolerate controls that only work most of the time
The only game I played with better swimming controls was Majora's Mask.
Not too much, but I enjoyed the swimming? Sounds like I might be in the minority.
That isn't correct. The Wii remote angle does control direction, yes (which was fine), but you only had to hold A to swim. Dashes were done by shaking the nunchuck, jumps were performed by a dash taking you above the surface.
The motion controls were the least of my issues with the game, but I can't say I'd miss them if they were removed. They have to have the source code for the game, so there's no way they couldn't rework the game to remove them if they really wanted to. It's either a time, budget or will to do it issue. I'd imagine it's mostly a lack of desire to do it as they'd likely be farming it out to an external studio to port.
SS did indeed use the gyro for aiming. I actually prefered this method since it allowed to me adjust my hands however I wanted and just hit the recenter button whenever it went out of wack. With games like Metroid, you're constantly having to hold your Wiimote straight at the tv.
I had close to zero problems with motion controls in the game, if something the only criticism i had at the time was that i would have preferred IR aiming than motion aiming but swordplay was good.
That being said it's bullcrap, you can totally do SS without motion controls because we have a second analog
That being said it's bullcrap, you can totally do SS without motion controls because we have a second analog
LOL I guess he hasn't played MGS Revengeance...
The other motion stuff can be easly adapted to analog sticks and buttons too.
The other motion stuff can be easly adapted to analog sticks and buttons too.
It's possible to implement more traditional controls, but in some ways it would be a bit of a pain, as it would either make directional sword controls only usable in z-targeting mode or make them replace right-stick camera controls outright. The latter would play just fine as the game wasn't designed with right-stick camera controls in mind, but hoo boy a lot of people would be upset that they can't rely on the right stick to move the camera.
There's also a bunch of other motion-based puzzles and such in there as well as bow aiming, though, that can't quite be substituted so neatly.
There's also a bunch of other motion-based puzzles and such in there as well as bow aiming, though, that can't quite be substituted so neatly.
God. I wanted to like the game so much. The controlls were wildly inconsistent for me. Played on brand new Wii motion pluses. Tried more than one new pair. Controlls worked about 60% of the time. Made plying the game a lesion in frustration. Nothing like dying because the motion control did something _other_ than what you did, and you were counter attacked and killed. This happened more than once in the roughly 6 hours I played before I had to put it down. What a sad experience.
Easy solution: release a Wiimote for Switch.
The Joy-cons should've had full Wii functionality to begin with.
The Joy-cons should've had full Wii functionality to begin with.
LOL I guess he hasn't played MGS Revengeance...
The other motion stuff can be easly adapted to analog sticks and buttons too.
If you actually play both MGR and Zelda SS you'd see that in fact, no it cannot be implemented the same way.