He might learn from it, it's pretty humiliating when you behave like a complete bellend.
Katherine Ryan's statement is... interesting.
She's taking the stance of a powerful woman and comic who wasn't flustered by the sexual harassment. But I don't see anything 'sweet' about his behaviour.
I mean, this is why you dont give a caught in the past chav fame.
What is this horrible classism?I mean, this is why you dont give a caught in the past chav fame.
Looking at this clip, I'm wondering if there was a single moment of this whole show that wasn't awkward and full of "jokes" where you weren't quite sure if people were pissed off with each other.He's still a dick.. but the story completely changes out of context
Lola Coker on Twitter
“@NME what’s going on? 🤨 @slowthai @the1975 #NMEAwards2020 https://t.co/HodByVRJu7”twitter.com
Looking at this clip, I'm wondering if there was a single moment of this whole show that wasn't awkward and full of "jokes" where you weren't quite sure if people were pissed off with each other.
Yikes, that's a great drive by take there.
Regardless of how much of an absolute tit he was - classist slurs ain't a good look. I mean, he was literally the most nominated person at the awards show - he wasn't "given" fame, he put out a fantastic album and was being recognised for it.
I'm not going to try to convince you while your defenses are up. Google it and have a read.Since when is that classism? Most of them have more money than me, yet they're the type of people who have jumped me in my home town 5 damn times.
So I was actually there and some of the clips are missing a bit of context. That said, regardless of the context - how he acted was completely out of order.
Slowthai opened the show with a great performance with Mura Masa, later he accepted an award and Katherine Ryan made remarks about him being a 'beautiful tan passport' or something to that effect, joking about his skin colour and all of his tattoos. Saying he looked well travelled and acting thirsty for him, which is par for the course for her comedy material if you're familiar with her.
It all started when Katherine Ryan said something that I assume Slowthai didn't like and he heckled her, which she then goaded him and ended up calling him up on stage. It was all some weird awkward confrontation which went on for way too long and he was so drunk he was being pretty lecherous which was making everyone watching wince. Going by the stuff he was saying (in one of the videos in OP) I guess he took her jokey thirst comments seriously. She seemed to play it off as she would any other heckler by basically just rinsing him, and made him look a mug. He went back to his seat after a while and then for a lot of the show she was getting jabs in at him wherever she could - at one point she came out with a fake baby bump saying it was their child that they'd just made backstage, calling him Fastthai.
He was later the recipent of Hero of the Year where he gave a speech dismissing it all as a joke which is when someone in the crowd cut him off by shouting misogynist at him, and the rest is what's in the video in the OP.
It's a real shame he acted such a bellend - his album is absolutely fantastic and he's got a hell of a lot of potential. He was one of if not the most nominated act last night as well. Ryan seems to be dismissing it as just a comic/heckler situation, I guess we'll see what Slowthai responds with.
It's going to be one hell of a hangover for him for sure.
I've seen enough of her of UK panel shows to know that she's calling him a cunt here.
Perfectly handled from her. Didn't even drop her stage persona. Really embarrassing from him. If he doesn't make it big. He can always rewatch this endlessly on Youtube to see where it all went wrong.
All I'm saying is I'm not well off and neither are many of my friends. Now obviously not all chavs are violent, some I've been friendly with because I knew them from a young age. But since I was 14 I've been looking over my shoulder just because I had long hair and liked metal. Hopefully that's not a countrywide issue, it certainly seemed less so in say Manchester the few times I've been there, but locally its been an issue for years.I'm not going to try to convince you while your defenses are up. Google it and have a read.
Your comment was still classism no matter how you try to contextualise it.All I'm saying is I'm not well off and neither are many of my friends. Now obviously not all chavs are violent, some I've been friendly with because I knew them from a young age. But since I was 14 I've been looking over my shoulder just because I had long hair and liked metal. Hopefully that's not a countrywide issue, it certainly seemed less so in say Manchester the few times I've been there, but locally its been an issue for years.
Oh it definitely caught her off guard. She treated him like a heckler, I guess because it's what she knows. She's been doing stand up for years now.Perfectly? I dunno. That last part of the video is incredibly uncomfortable to watch. She was obviously really upset. I get playing it cool but acknowledging how he made her feel is appropriate. If she doesn't want to that's alright but making it known his actions aren't harmless is nice. The "I'm a player" angle is sort of flat considering but if that's how she wants to handle it, that's her life.
This definitely adds context.He's still a dick.. but the story completely changes out of context
Lola Coker on Twitter
“@NME what’s going on? 🤨 @slowthai @the1975 #NMEAwards2020 https://t.co/HodByVRJu7”twitter.com
and I had just heard him on the Gorillaz new song and thought, "oh I kind of like this, ill have to look into these ft's later". I think I can mark that off my list of things to do...
Oh it definitely caught her off guard. She treated him like a heckler, I guess because it's what she knows. She's been doing stand up for years now.
Good article just popped up.
Shappi Khorsandi: Katherine Ryan is a seasoned comic – of course she wasn’t rattled by slowthai
Twitter can have as many conversations it likes about the ‘misogyny’ of the rapper’s comments. But in this profession, the troublemakers never faze youwww.independent.co.uk
Since when is that classism? Most of them have more money than me, yet they're the type of people who have jumped me in my home town 5 damn times.
I mean that's fair if you feel that way. I will say I dont get since I'm at the bottom of the ladder myself and most of these people grew up in owned houses while I was in a council house. Not even taking into account my current position is probably even worse off lol. But I will read into it like you suggested and lay off it since classism is a poison on this country so I'd rather try get a better perspective on it too.Your comment was still classism no matter how you try to contextualise it.
BTW, I was you in the above story growing up.
So because someone you consider a "chav" jumped you, no other "chav" deserves fame? Even one who is undeniably talented and one of the biggest breakouts of recent UK music? And you also say "most" of them have more money than you? Any more idiotic generalizations you have planned?
That's directly classism, not only that but nobody in the UK has commonly used the word "chav" in years so it's embarrasingly outdated classism.
EDIT: your previous post saying you know they aren't all violent wasn't live when I wrote this. Everything before that was still extremely classist and pretty stupid though. What's this about being "well off" as well, that's completely irrelevant.
There is a lot going on here beyond the single act.Sure, they're treating it like a showbiz thing now and everyone is going to play it cool and let it pass. The real feelings and thoughts are more interesting though.
I like that we got what seems to be of genuine display of regret from an upcoming celebrity and you were like nah we need to fill the dumbass quota in this threadSince when is that classism? Most of them have more money than me, yet they're the type of people who have jumped me in my home town 5 damn times.
Fully understandable. His career will go on, but it'll take a hit with things like this and hopefully he'll learn.
I like that we got what seems to be of genuine display of regret from an upcoming celebrity and you were like nah we need to fill the dumbass quota in this thread
Since when is that classism? Most of them have more money than me, yet they're the type of people who have jumped me in my home town 5 damn times.
"Type of people"? haha wat?? Just because you had bad experiences doesn't then mean you can justify broadly labelling all people from a different background/class/race/whatever with a derogatory term.
Wow...no wonder the Tories are in fashion.
This "community" is just people at varying degrees of learning and understanding. Not sure why you're disappointed in the entire community when a single person says something like this.Hey folks can we discuss his problematic behaviour without "rap is crap" hot takes and racist/classist dogwhistles?
This community is so fucking disappointing sometimes.
It's not a class or race is the thing I dont get. Background I can kind of understand more but coming from even less is where it confuses me and class comes to the same conclusion. All I can say is I dont personally understand classism if it's more about behavior than it is financial situation, but I intend to look into it.
This is quite literally the same line of thinking every person who thinks they aren't discriminating against a group of people goes with.
No one here is obligated to explain to you why your comments are classist and discriminatory. If you want to know why, use google and find out.
I think the apology is fine, and he was just sadly being a drunken fool. Just something to forget, much like when Patrick Stewart had that awful encounter with James Corden.
I'm more annoyed with Slowthai for setting off a 10 minute firework display half a mile from my house at 3.20am on a sunday tbh.
Well said.Any apology that has no conditionals like "I'm sorry if you were offended" is a good apology, especially those where the guilty party recognizes their wrongdoing and doesn't try to minimize them. The world would be a better place if more people reacted like this when called out on their wrong behavior.
I mean that's fair if you feel that way. I will say I dont get since I'm at the bottom of the ladder myself and most of these people grew up in owned houses while I was in a council house. Not even taking into account my current position is probably even worse off lol. But I will read into it like you suggested and lay off it since classism is a poison on this country so I'd rather try get a better perspective on it too.
In an odd way at least it's some reassurance it wasnt just a local thing growing up. I've always wanted to escape this town since but couldnt afford to, but I guess if I'd spent more time in other towns and cities I'd have likely ran into the same issues. It's an odd sense of reassurance for sure but I guess it removes a bit of resentment for the town.
Fwiw, I never really intended it to be taken with such seriousness and was more going for a joke about him sounding like an Ali G skit being that wasted, but since people were responding in a very serious manner I figured I should try address it properly rather than try excuse it with a misfired joke. Tbh hence the use of chav since like you say terms like that and greebo have been dead since these early teens days. And by extension I didnt actually mean with any seriousness that it should exclude them from fame.
That said, the element of classism I'm definitely not understanding here is how those better off than me can be subject to classism from me, but will also have a look into it since I'm personally subject of it almost constantly being a carer for a disabled person.
All good. Didn't mean to come across so harsh either tbh. But for what it's worth, your place in society, your wealth, your own class, has no relevance whatsoever to whether something you say is classist. Just like some women can be sexist against their own gender, just like some minorities can be self hating. It doesn't matter. If you say something sterotypical or generalised or disparaging about a certain class of people, it's classist, even if you belong to that class yourself.
Yeah I think that was one of the bits I was a little lost on. Well, in combination with a lack of awareness with it growing beyond a jab at each other we used as teens that at the time seemed more about your music scene and clothes. It's kinda odd that one passed me by tbh, we were certainly aware of racism and homophobia at the time along with connotations of the offending terms but I guess we never really stopped to think if there was anything deeper to this one. Yet it would be the only one of the three I'd actually be subject to which is a strange kind of irony I guess.
Well, no, it is something to remember and to learn from and be better about on the future. But the apology does seem genuine, as does the dude himself and he's already suffered some consequences from his actions. I'm inclined to believe he'll work on improving from this.
It's just about recognising that everyone is individual and that no matter how somebody may appear on the surface, you don't truly know them and certainly not just by going off what you know about people you consider to be in the same "group" as them.
I grew up as somebody that listened to rap and rock equally and my clothing style and manner of speaking were always all over the shop too. As a result I've been called "chav" and "mosher" in disparaging ways in equal amounts lol. In high school I always also used to get told "you're not black" and "why do you wish you were black" and stuff like that, literally just for enjoying rap songs - nothing else. How painfully ignorant. So whenever I see somebody generalise stuff like that it just gets my back up.
It's about realising that just because somebody may speak, act, and talk like what you consider a "chav", doesn't mean they are what you consider that group to be on any level. There is a full spectrum of personality, education, wealth, talent, priorities and morals within groups of people that could be classed that way. Just like every other group, race, gender or class on earth.