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Smash Ultimate offline input lag analysis
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No matter what people try to say, smash 5 (aka ultimate) is awesome!
This is kinda disappointing but I think I will get used to it. That said I did lose about 10 matches in a row online yesterday playing Shiek...I feel like she suffers more than most.
What is the point of posts like this?
Which sucks because this is the first game I've wanted to main her since melee
I knew something didn't feel right while trying to jump back up to the stage after being knocked off.
Well, many people have been trying to be negative all of a sudden. This game is a joy to play.
I immediately knew something was off when I played with the GCN controller.
But I flipped to the Pro a few hours later and didn't notice as much. Must have just been getting more used to it.
Sucks.
But I flipped to the Pro a few hours later and didn't notice as much. Must have just been getting more used to it.
Sucks.
You're objectively wrong. There are other fighting games out there that drop input lag to low levels.
There is no good reason that I can see that input lag should ever be that high. Period.
Subjective, and how is it related to the topic of the thread?
So, you're admitting you didn't come here to actually discuss the topic? Just to make a throwaway post and run?
That's a shame, but I can make deal with it since I mostly main heavies. I don't think it'll cripple the competitive scene, but I wonder why we didn't see any pro players commenting on it beforehand. Was this latency not in the earlier builds?
If it was a real problem, many people would have complained before (competitive fellas included).
Not admitting anything because that's your assumption only.
Might this be result of essentially using the USB-C port as HDMI out? I could imagine that this introduces more latency which is a shame
Ive noticed a slight difference as someone who has been playing Project M and went to Ultimate, but I've also got the distinct feeling that a lot of people are rationalizing differences in feel resultant from changes made elsewhere as being caused by input latency. Specifically, the changes to how knockback works, the changes to how jumps work, and the presence of a lot of input buffering throughout the game. (not to mention the general unreliability of wireless Joy-Con and how easily the Switch fails to pick up inputs made on Joy-Con on time or at all due to distance or minor obstructions.) If you're playing casually and coming from Brawl or Smash 4, then this increase in input latency, regrettable though it is, definitely shouldn't be so noticible that it defines the experience for you.
I use an adapter to allow me to play with a WiiU pro controller and I definitely noticed something strange with the input. And I don't think it's the adapter because I feel it even with the joycons
Leffen was looking into how the game handles buffering which is interesting
Interesting to note that C-stick does a direction+attack like a macro for arials which changes the momentum
Interesting to note that C-stick does a direction+attack like a macro for arials which changes the momentum
People need to stop saying "they". The Splatoon team has nothing to do with the Smash Bros team and it appears to be on a game by game basis
What kind of bullshit is this? The game literally just came out and people are saying that it feels sluggish or awkward, competitive players included. So you're saying that because people didn't complain enough in the pre-release, it's invalid?
You really want to avoid discussing the problem.
The input buffering is what I'm imagining is the ACTUAL root cause behind the opinion shared by many here that Ult feels noticibly different
That's unlikely. Pretty sure it's a Nintendo version of displayport -> hdmi conversion.
yep. The extra 40 or so ms are probably not what most people are noticing, but rather the lengthy input buffer from certain character states like dodging, dashing or being in hitstun
Well, some people already said that it may be a hardware problem not the game's fault. And by any means it's not unplayable.
People are complaining and have been. The game has been out for 3 days now so people probably didnt know if it was the new engine or actual input. We now know it's the actual input. Coming in here to dismiss this because you like the game and dont like mean things being said about it isnt at all on topic or related to the discussion.
Who in here said its unplayable? Are we only allowed to discuss matters like this when a game is unplayable? That's absurd.
its largely intentional programming. Try dashing one direction and another right after and it will do the backwards dash half a second later. Alternatively try spot dodging and then input anything during the dodge and it will come out.
The input lag, input buffering, and questionable netcode are all compounding and make online play really clumsy.
I'm glad I don't notice it at all. The game feels really good to me and I couldn't even tell when I tried really focusing on it in training mode. Hopefully we see some improvements as the game continues to be patched, but I'm not holding my breath.
It's the movement in particular that I can feel it the most, it's quite jarring on some of the faster characters, to me.
There was some stuff that felt off, especially short hop fast falling in the beginning. I raised my stick sensitivity to high though and it helped a lot. This may explain where that kind of sluggish fee came from, but with that adjustment and just continuing to play I'm pretty used to it now.
It is a little worrisome considering that this is the fastest Smash gameplay since Melee, so it might hamper high execution quick fingered players in the long run.
It is a little worrisome considering that this is the fastest Smash gameplay since Melee, so it might hamper high execution quick fingered players in the long run.
I've definitely noticed this playing through classic mode. It seems to be particularly noticeable when spot dodging multiple times or side to side, even dashing left and right and attacking. I've definitely felt it more playing on the pro controller.
It's pretty bad, but lots of fighters are shipping with high input lag this gen. Hopefully it gets patched.
I'm a Smash newbie. How reactions heavy is the game?
I'm a Smash newbie. How reactions heavy is the game?
There have been complaints since the leak dropped.
Wasn't this a thing with 4 too? I hated that stupid nonsense and there's no reason for this to be a thing.
With the right stick, you have to let it fully return to neutral before you can use it again. That's not input lag, just an odd design choice.
Extremely, but ledge guarding allows you to go with a somewhat predictable meta strat.
Sorry, didn't notice those. Then again only followed Nairo, M2K and the like. Hopefully this can be fixed then.
People started noticing minutes after the game launched at our local, where the game launched before any other place in the world.
Its probably a lot more apparent if you have been playing these games competitively for years. He thought something was wrong with the adapter or controller.
As a competitive player its really been hampering my ability to move and react quickly in battles
Its also been really fucking up my jumps and various other inputs. Its going to take some serious adjustments for me to be as effective as I was in previous games
Its also been really fucking up my jumps and various other inputs. Its going to take some serious adjustments for me to be as effective as I was in previous games
To be fair first night I played it was with the gamecube controller via third party adapter on friend's TV and it did feel off.
Next day played on my monitor with pro controller and it felt much more responsive to me. I guess the TV has delay and I'm experiencing a place on effect. Ah well, good thing I'm not going competitive with this game because I prefer the pro controller.
Next day played on my monitor with pro controller and it felt much more responsive to me. I guess the TV has delay and I'm experiencing a place on effect. Ah well, good thing I'm not going competitive with this game because I prefer the pro controller.