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PancakeFlip

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Oct 26, 2017
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It sucks when he murders you, but I gotta say, I can't be mad at him. Especially since he apologizes and says "justdoingmyjob" as he slaughters you. He's just so professional!

That's why I must have him! I heard the long way to get him is to grab a knife with a strong enough bane for Darkness, White, Black, and/or Undead, and make sure it has Thief's Tackle, and just keep tackling him and running away. It's, uhh... it's not quick, but it's effective!

Bigger and quicker method is to get the snack, the Livid Dragon, as he has a Lvl.3 Bane against him, and does a ton of damage. Needs to be a pocket snack, so you turn into him, but he'll mess him up good! That's why I wanna find where I fought that guy.
Any specific kife that is reccomended?
 

Pangya

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 27, 2017
172
Has anyone seen the Miracle Bewitching Sword as a miracle quest yet? I think I've seen all Bewitching stuff rotate so far except the sword, not sure if I just missed it or if it's locked behind a higher quest level.
 

Razorrin

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Nov 7, 2017
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Any specific kife that is reccomended?
There is the Clan Alloy Knife, from Clarine. It's the Sur-Prize from the Dark Wand Pick-A-Prize, so try to build up some cash from the mission where you travel to Chickén Itźa, where you only have to beat up an owl. Blossom Knife messes the owl up good, and one of the treasures you can get from chests is... Treasure.

It's a sellable that goes for 100.00 Gravies, which, incidentally, is exactly what you need to play a single pull of the Pick-A-Prize! Do the reload trick to see what you get for how much you wanna invest, and then play a quest to progress the Pick-a-Prize until you get lucky and get one of those knives.

It may not be perfect, but it is a lvl 2 bane against the Pop Sickle! So, it's gonna be your earliest bet, as far as I know. Get thief's tackle on it using some of those skill chips, an Overload skill might be better if you get lucky and get one of those. Then just kite the dang thing and avoid getting murdered while you deal damage over a long period.

Don't do this in a dungeon with Copybats. They WILL turn into the Pop Sickle and ruin your day. Once you defeat it after a long and arduous fight, spend a bunch of those undead lollipops to max out his Familiarity, so that you can beat him up AGAIN, this time to recruit him!

Also, be very careful about the snack shot! I can't imagine someone like him counts as anything less then Mega Rare, so he's gonna have a tough snack shot. Don't blow it when you get your opportunity!

I'm gonna follow my own advice eventually, hopefully I can get me one of him and let you guys know how he does!
 

deepFlaw

Knights of Favonius World Tour '21
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Oct 25, 2017
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Got to chapter 10 just now. I kinda mainlined some of the middle chapters because I knew I'd soon get access to gear that lets you see the end of the level, to make quests less tedious. I even have it on an accessory now too. And it definitely helps, but it sucks to still have to run around the entire map looking for a key or buttons when I thought a quest would be fast; I have generally found myself wishing the maps were half the size this entire time.

Of course, I wish I'd waited even longer to do some of the more fighting-heavy quests still, cause I'd seen something you get for clearing chapter 9 but kinda assumed it was just Google Translated poorly. Nope, it was real, you totally do get the ability to carry 12 jara.

So there's definitely an incentive to save cleaning up quests for the end of the game or more likely postgame... but I dunno how much I'll keep up with that. This was suddenly all I've played for the past week, despite thinking the gameplay's messy and there sure being a lot of questionable shit both from the localization and the game itself throughout the whole game (like uhhhh what the absolute fuck at that hotel clerk??). Turning my brain off and just playing this with podcasts every night was kinda relaxing but maybe in a way that kept me from playing more enjoyable things and getting to stuff in my backlog that I was already putting off? So... I might get into some of the postgame quests but I will probably call it without getting too far into completionism or anything, I guess!

EDIT: oh, right, because it came up earlier - not sure if it's quest level or my DC level that changed it, but I do get 2 miracle points per miracle quest now; that's still extremely low so it'd be nice to see it get higher, though...
 
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Razorrin

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Got to chapter 10 just now. I kinda mainlined some of the middle chapters because I knew I'd soon get access to gear that lets you see the end of the level, to make quests less tedious. I even have it on an accessory now too. And it definitely helps, but it sucks to still have to run around the entire map looking for a key or buttons when I thought a quest would be fast; I have generally found myself wishing the maps were half the size this entire time.

Of course, I wish I'd waited even longer to do some of the more fighting-heavy quests still, cause I'd seen something you get for clearing chapter 9 but kinda assumed it was just Google Translated poorly. Nope, it was real, you totally do get the ability to carry 12 jara.

So there's definitely an incentive to save cleaning up quests for the end of the game or more likely postgame... but I dunno how much I'll keep up with that. This was suddenly all I've played for the past week, despite thinking the gameplay's messy and there sure being a lot of questionable shit both from the localization and the game itself throughout the whole game (like uhhhh what the absolute fuck at that hotel clerk??). Turning my brain off and just playing this with podcasts every night was kinda relaxing but maybe in a way that kept me from playing more enjoyable things and getting to stuff in my backlog that I was already putting off? So... I might get into some of the postgame quests but I will probably call it without getting too far into completionism or anything, I guess!

EDIT: oh, right, because it came up earlier - not sure if it's quest level or my DC level that changed it, but I do get 2 miracle points per miracle quest now; that's still extremely low so it'd be nice to see it get higher, though...

Okay, I sorta followed your lead, and sped ahead and got to Chapter 9 pretty quick, and I don't regret it! I managed to get one of the Bewitching Weapons, the Bolas, and they are amazing!

The Bewitching Weapons are powerful Jaras that have a lvl FIVE bane for a particilar element. They are amazing, but are also Miracle Drops!

They are gained through different quests cleared as Miracle Drop quests, and the quests can vary, so just try your best, and you'll be able to get one for yourself!

Also, one of them, the Bewitching Bow, is gained through battling the Coldimari, and with the third pick-a-prize, you can get the Shadow Gem Lance, which has a Lvl. 4 Bane against Silver creatures, which Coldimari is! So it'll take him down right quick!

I highly reccomend making sure you have Treasure and/or Goal tracking equipment if you can, as it'll make finding the Miracle Chests easier, and getting to the boss quicker! Fortunately, I managed to get both, and once you pass the 5th chapter, you should be able to as well!

Edit: Here's a video I found on how to recruit Pop Sickle as a snack, I've already said how it's done, but this should clear it up further!

 
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Razorrin

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Nov 7, 2017
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Are story quests missable? If they are, does anyone have a list of all quests?
Nope, you can always grab a Story quest when it shows up each chapter, especially once you get the permit for a dungeon near the end of the chapter!

Just have to look around to find them, I posted a link on the second page of the OT with a translated link of the strategy Jp site, so check it out!
 

Iori Fuyusaka

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
2,901
Nope, you can always grab a Story quest when it shows up each chapter, especially once you get the permit for a dungeon near the end of the chapter!

Just have to look around to find them, I posted a link on the second page of the OT with a translated link of the strategy Jp site, so check it out!
Yeah, I found out elsewhere on the internet that the quests are available in another chapter if you happen to miss it in the original chapter.
 

Razorrin

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Nov 7, 2017
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Alright, I HIGHLY Reccomend anyone who feels like things are progressing slowly to just gun it to the end of chapter 9 as soon as possible, the thing you unlock for doing so makes the game so much easier to handle...

Also, once you've beaten either 9 or 10, don't remember, you unlock a side-quest to do online that can get you a TON of the best EX-Star-P, for leveling up, and 75.00 Gravies each clear! It's definitely worthwhile! Just gotta get yourself a white or light bane, or Aquaintai. I highly reccomend beating the game before you grind it, though, it won't be that tricky to show Sultan Vinegar Chipz his bottom!

Anybody know any Jaras that get either of those banes to Lvl. 3? I'm having trouble finding any of the other Bewitching Weapons due to the Miracle Drops needing to reset ever day or so, so I'm interested in getting something that works for doing that quest. I really have had trouble finding anything for either of those three!
 

Razorrin

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Just letting you guys know, the Bewitching Wand is gained from a sidequest right now, and it's amazing! It's a Lvl. 5 Bane for Darkness, giving it all sorts of usability against common bosses, final bosses, and of course the dreaded Pop Sickle! Try going for it if you can, it's a worthwhile drop!

Also, if you get copies, somehow... you should just keep them and equip them if they are gonna be used against a boss! Powerful equipment doesn't come easy!

Also, if you are gonna beat the Pop Sickle, do so in the easiest dungeon possible, he scales to the level of the dungeon, even though he still does massive damage and has a ton of health, so he becomes manageable in the easiest dungeon quest!
 
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Razorrin

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Uh, I just stumbled into this amazing fanart of Velouté!

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Credit to the artist!

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/RkwRm
 
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Pangya

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 27, 2017
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This popped up in the weapons store:

ERqNQL1UwAEFRDA


Probably gonna farm some gravies and end up buying it... I'm really lacking in decent jaras.
 

Razorrin

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Nov 7, 2017
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This popped up in the weapons store:

ERqNQL1UwAEFRDA


Probably gonna farm some gravies and end up buying it... I'm really lacking in decent jaras.
WTF, That's insane. I would highly reccomend it, Water and Lightning are the only two elements not covered by the Bewitching Weapons, and the other lightning alternative is Lvl 4, so this will fill an amazing hole in your kit! Hopefully you can get to it easy!

I highly reccomend pinning any high-level quests with Rich Liches in your brain or phone or something, and grind them with high Gravie gaining equipment. Melonia, Rich Lich and maybe another have Wards (party snack party buffs) that also raise Gravies gained, so have them in your team when tackling this cash rush too!

If you (or anyone) needs a partner to work through some co-op content to get some cash or stuff, I'll happily help out! Here's my Switch Friend code, I hope we can work together!

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I hope I can luck out on seeing something like that in store, I'm down to grind out some cash to buy something like that!

I also need to grind out some Wand Skill Chips, I totally fudged up my Bewitching Wand, I thought I could get an overdrive skill using my 40 chips, and I managed to not only remove my very useful Light Element Charge skill, but couldn't get it back on within those forty skill chips, so I need to get more and hope to god I can get it back on there.
 
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deepFlaw

Knights of Favonius World Tour '21
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Oct 25, 2017
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Ugh, I got really burned in last night's session, where I didn't have much time and pushed that too much with little results. Really just trying to get through the story-ish stuff that's left (since I know there were 2 3DS DLC packs that are now included and all), and wanted a better weapon to help me beat the big chapter 11 boss, since I could get most of the way there but not survive the end. Tried several times to get a "Clear Shark Lance", with some tedious button hunting, and... after all that it turns out that is a completely different set of banes than the "Shark Lance" this JP guide talked about. And seemingly - probably due to Switch version or else localization rebalancing - the rewards listed for the DC >10 quests in general tend to not match what's listed there anyway, so it's become kinda difficult to find what I want without wasting even more time. I wanna see it through, if only due to sunk cost, so this extra trouble is frustrating. I wish there were better English resources or at least a decently complete JP guide that wasn't mostly based on the 3DS version.

The worst part was getting a super special chest in those runs and... getting a completely ordinary oaken staff from it? Not even the lance. Was kinda bizarre and disappointing. Does make me think I might wanna bring the chest finding abilities along with my usual goal ones though; if I'm just running through most of the levels for the button nonsense anyway, I might as well make sure I get the chests to make it more efficient too.

at least I did grab a Livid Dragon at the end, so I can try to befriend a certain reaper and see how that goes
 
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Razorrin

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Ugh, I got really burned in last night's session, where I didn't have much time and pushed that too much with little results. Really just trying to get through the story-ish stuff that's left (since I know there were 2 3DS DLC packs that are now included and all), and wanted a better weapon to help me beat the big chapter 11 boss, since I could get most of the way there but not survive the end. Tried several times to get a "Clear Shark Lance", with some tedious button hunting, and... after all that it turns out that is a completely different set of banes than the "Shark Lance" this JP guide talked about. And seemingly - probably due to Switch version or else localization rebalancing - the rewards listed for the DC >10 quests in general tend to not match what's listed there anyway, so it's become kinda difficult to find what I want without wasting even more time. I wanna see it through, if only due to sunk cost, so this extra triple is frustrating. I wish there were better English resources or at least a decently complete JP guide that wasn't mostly based on the 3DS version.

The worst part was getting a super special chest in those runs and... getting a completely ordinary oaken staff from it? Not even the lance. Was kinda bizarre and disappointing. Does make me think I might wanna bring the chest finding abilities along with my usual goal ones though; if I'm just running through most of the levels for the button nonsense anyway, I might as well make sure I get the chests to make it more efficient too.

at least I did grab a Livid Dragon at the end, so I can try to befriend a certain reaper and see how that goes
If you are talking about "The Big Guy," I reccomend doing runs of a quest that has the Bewitching Wand as a Miracle Reward if it'd currently available for you, since that thing is very good against him! Otherwise, try to get anything that does great damage against Darkness, or even Blue or Dragon, and then try to be careful with his attacks. They are Lightning Element, so if you have any Snacks with a lightning ward that'll help protect you and the other snacks.

If that's not possible, one of the late game quests you should have access to can offer the Sky Hawk, which has Lvl 3 Dark Bane. It's the one with Bearnaise, so if you can do that one, run it a few times to get yourself some copies of that great sword, it'll help out a bunch!
 

deepFlaw

Knights of Favonius World Tour '21
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If you are talking about "The Big Guy," I reccomend doing runs of a quest that has the Bewitching Wand as a Miracle Reward if it'd currently available for you, since that thing is very good against him! Otherwise, try to get anything that does great damage against Darkness, or even Blue or Dragon, and then try to be careful with his attacks. They are Lightning Element, so if you have any Snacks with a lightning ward that'll help protect you and the other snacks.

If that's not possible, one of the late game quests you should have access to can offer the Sky Hawk, which has Lvl 3 Dark Bane. It's the one with Bearnaise, so if you can do that one, run it a few times to get yourself some copies of that great sword, it'll help out a bunch!

Yeah, I died on one of the bosses of the Sky Hawk one as I'm kinda underleveled, but just getting more/upgrading that is probably the easiest way to handle this while lacking clear info on what banes each jara has. I'll just try getting through that a couple times tonight, I guess. Grinding for a Miracle feels even more tedious, as nice as another would be.

I kinda gave up on trying to match Snacks as much as using recommended general ones, running Ciderella + Jennifer + uhhh whatever the lategame story assassin is called, so obviously changing that up can help some too. I got pretty dang close last time I tried, there's just that point where his attacks are more constant + can be aimed at more angles, and keeping people alive became a bigger problem. So I'll have to balance more damage with less survival.

Part of me wonders if it could be good to double down on that chest finding idea and just trying to do a few runs of even higher level quests, where I just run for the chests to hopefully grab some new jara + materials even if I have no chance of clearing? That could easily be a waste, but also may pay off well, hmm.
 

Razorrin

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Yeah, I died on one of the bosses of the Sky Hawk one as I'm kinda underleveled, but just getting more/upgrading that is probably the easiest way to handle this while lacking clear info on what banes each jara has. I'll just try getting through that a couple times tonight, I guess. Grinding for a Miracle feels even more tedious, as nice as another would be.

I kinda gave up on trying to match Snacks as much as using recommended general ones, running Ciderella + Jennifer + uhhh whatever the lategame story assassin is called, so obviously changing that up can help some too. I got pretty dang close last time I tried, there's just that point where his attacks are more constant + can be aimed at more angles, and keeping people alive became a bigger problem. So I'll have to balance more damage with less survival.

Part of me wonders if it could be good to double down on that chest finding idea and just trying to do a few runs of even higher level quests, where I just run for the chests to hopefully grab some new jara + materials even if I have no chance of clearing? That could easily be a waste, but also may pay off well, hmm.

The big thing to understand about Miracle Grinding is, you aren't going for the points, you are hunting down chests from the dungeon and enemy drops, hoping for the Miracle chest event to happen that hooks you up, OR, you rush down the dungeon and hope you get a gold chest that hooks you up with the Miracle weapon. The points themselves are more of a bonus you build up to over time.

I mentioned the Skyhawk since that can be gained through dungeon crawling, even if you are unsuccessful in beating the boss at the end. I reccomend trying to develop a wider range of Jaras, and equip what you need to beat the enemies in the dungeon first and foremost, since then you can get some levels and get some chances at good treasure in the process!

I highly reccomend trying for a full eight-Jara set of Elemental Banes. There are plenty of Jara for the other types, Colour and Family, but having one Jara of each Element is the most efficient way to cover weaknesses since you only need eight to handle anything the game throws at you. That's why the Bewitching Weapons are such a good deal to go for, they cover elements at a Maximum Lvl 5 Bane, super powerful!

I'm hoping you can get some good gear for the future! Even if it's just a Lvl 2 Bane, having at least one of all eight elements (Fire, Ice, Water, Lightning, Wind, Earth, Light, Dark) will put you in a good place. If you have better banes for a different thing the boss you are targeting has, you can put that on too and cover it then, like how Coldimari is a Silver Boss, so the Clan Alloy Spear totally destroys him at Lvl 4 Silver Bane.

If you can run repeat quests of the White Dresscode mission online, you can get a ton of cash and experience, in case you feel you need to bridge the gap in stats and could use a bunch more cash. I did a ton of runs recently and it got me a ton of cash and Exp!

Also, don't forget to update your Armor when you need to, that Defense and the great passives you can get are important, and there are many shops that update their Catalogue selection as time goes on! Go to any shops that sell weapons and clothes and pick up whatever is new, and try to get the special ingredients for those new, more powerful equipment in online play, you won't regret it!
 

Tailzo

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Oct 27, 2017
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Just signed up for a 7 day online trial to try this online, but I've tried for 15 minutes, and no one wants to join me :I

I'm only level 19 though

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In french the café is named «Harmonie»
 
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Do snacks get stronger the more you use them? Can they just be in your party or do you have to summon them? Also are there daily quests? Im only level 20
 

gaiadyne

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
1,380
Do snacks get stronger the more you use them? Can they just be in your party or do you have to summon them? Also are there daily quests? Im only level 20
The stats of Snacks grow with Rapport. Rapport goes up as you use them directly in your party, but you can also use items that increase Rapport. I don't believe there are any daily quests but if you get farther quests start to rotate daily that have "Miracle" drops, which are super powerful equipment.
 
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deepFlaw

Knights of Favonius World Tour '21
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The stats of Snacks grow with Familiarity. Familiarity goes up as you use them directly in your party, but you can also use items that increase Familiarity. I don't believe there are any daily quests but if you get farther quests start to rotate daily that have "Miracle" drops, which are super powerful equipment.

Just to avoid confusion and possible item wasting, I wanna say that I think you're mixing some terms - Familiarity and Rapport are different. Familiarity applies to the species, goes up when you kill them, and gives you a chance to get the snack when it maxes out (and then resets). Rapport is the hearts on individual Snacks that will increase their stats as you described.

And then there's different items for Familiarity depending on the type of enemy, while Rapport is just one item for any Snack.
 

gaiadyne

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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Just to avoid confusion and possible item wasting, I wanna say that I think you're mixing some terms - Familiarity and Rapport are different. Familiarity applies to the species, goes up when you kill them, and gives you a chance to get the snack when it maxes out (and then resets). Rapport is the hearts on individual Snacks that will increase their stats as you described.

And then there's different items for Familiarity depending on the type of enemy, while Rapport is just one item for any Snack.
Oh yeah, you are right. I mix them up since I didn't pay attention to them until later in my play through
 

Razorrin

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Just signed up for a 7 day online trial to try this online, but I've tried for 15 minutes, and no one wants to join me :I

I'm only level 19 though

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In french the café is named «Harmonie»

Hey, welcome aboard! I posted my Switch Friend Code earlier, if you wanna add me and do some side-missions, I'll help you out! If you can, get far enough that you unlock Miracle Rewards, so that some of your side-missions can reward powerful stuff!

I'm pretty powerful as of now, so I can help you run any quests that have a "Bewitching" weapon. Let me know in a PM what your Switch profile name is so I can accept it and let me know when you wanna play!

If you wanna grind online to get tons of cash and Exp, you'll wanna get far enough that you get a mission that goes straight to a boss, with the right help that goes super quick! You'll know which one it is because you have to beat it to progress the story late game in Chapter 9, and the Side-quest version has a white dresscode.

Also, I'm going nuts over here, does ANYONE have a Bewitching Sword (Light 5) to trade? I'll hunt down an Axe (Earth 5), Bow (Wind 5), or Bolas (Fire 5) to trade, and I even have an extra Wand (Dark 5) to trade right now! I'm desperately in need!
 

Tailzo

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Oct 27, 2017
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Hey, welcome aboard! I posted my Switch Friend Code earlier, if you wanna add me and do some side-missions, I'll help you out! If you can, get far enough that you unlock Miracle Rewards, so that some of your side-missions can reward powerful stuff!

I'm pretty powerful as of now, so I can help you run any quests that have a "Bewitching" weapon. Let me know in a PM what your Switch profile name is so I can accept it and let me know when you wanna play!

If you wanna grind online to get tons of cash and Exp, you'll wanna get far enough that you get a mission that goes straight to a boss, with the right help that goes super quick! You'll know which one it is because you have to beat it to progress the story late game in Chapter 9, and the Side-quest version has a white dresscode.

Also, I'm going nuts over here, does ANYONE have a Bewitching Sword (Light 5) to trade? I'll hunt down an Axe (Earth 5), Bow (Wind 5), or Bolas (Fire 5) to trade, and I even have an extra Wand (Dark 5) to trade right now! I'm desperately in need!
Thank you so much :) I will add you :)

not sure how much I can play today though, as my wife is going to work and my children are at home.
 

Razorrin

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We're in very different time zones, but I'll be playing online later today :)
Cool, I'll try to be ready for it, give me a shout in a PM on how long 'till you are playing and I'll jump on then! Gotta work in 6 hours, so hopefully we can have some fun soon!

Also, for those who don't mind the concept of "rerolling," if you save your game just as you are about to get a guaranteed Miracle Reward through maxing your points to 100, you can actually Reroll what the passives and abilities of that weapon end up as!

You can, with enough patience, get a Lvl 5 Bane weapon... With an overdrive skill. It'll be absolutely brutal. Give it a shot for a weapon you are planning on using a lot! My money is on either the Light Bane Sword or Darkness Bane Wand, former for grinding, latter for bossfights.
 

deepFlaw

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Been slowly trying to finish this still but haven't had a ton of time this past week or so. I'm not loving this gap in levels in the post-story quests because I keep trying things I'm kinda underleveled for and sometimes winning, often not. The 70-90 or so gap is weird because it has you bouncing between story and side quests to cover it, but you don't level nearly enough to actually match that still, so I'm in the 80s and only have 90+ uncleared.

Tried to do some online to help last night and had a pretty miserable experience where I got dragged along on some quest that nobody was leveled for (I think it was 130 and even the host was 100-something) and even had several gimmicks I hadn't seen in 70 hours of play. One of those was that there were items you could collect to boost your strength + drop rate, and I really regret not abandoning the others to at least grab as many as I could from boxes in the first floor while they chipped away at the enemy holding the key. Because every floor after that was either a boss or a straight hallway, and they all fucking dashed for the end instead of stopping to make sure everyone was picking them up to help us do more damage. Which is why we then spent an eon fighting Medusa. Of course, for whatever reason this dungeon was based on the very first one and didn't even have new versions of their drops, so after 30+ minutes of this quest that apparently had at least 6 floors we hit another boss (a set of golems), immediately wiped, and I got absolutely nothing of value from it. I at least took the AI versions of them on a quest I wanted to do after, and that helped with that, but... woof.

I just wish I could actually make use of online because it at least does seem to have an ok amount of people on it still, but even after I tagged along for some other (thankfully more appropriate) quests in other groups, me proposing a quest after got the room killed each time. And meanwhile it seems like you can only gate your own room based on your rank rather than your level... but just looking at other rooms, I'm only at DC 21 or something when people even lower than me have way way higher rankings (I assume due to lots of grinding/farming but somehow without leveling from it...?) so that won't help me keep lower levels out much? But even fully unrestricted rooms get other players slowly, so...

I think tonight I just need to force myself to actually grind Falgon for levels for an hour or so, maybe doing the same for Miracle points to actually get some of those level 5 banes, because there's no way I finish this anytime soon otherwise. That seems like an actually better use of my time than running around looking for fricking buttons (I so desperately wish there was some equipment that let me skip that shit, or at least find them on the map, why are these floors so big) only to lose to a boss because they attack so much at low health that my team can't revive me.
 
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Kyuuji

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Never come across this game before this topic. Anything I should be aware of that might put people off before plonking the money down?

Seems like a fun little dungeon crawler with loot and customisation? Does it hit those notes well (even if not necessarily raising the bar in any way)?
 

deepFlaw

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Never come across this game before this topic. Anything I should be aware of that might put people off before plonking the money down?

Seems like a fun little dungeon crawler with loot and customisation? Does it hit those notes well (even if not necessarily raising the bar in any way)?

My feelings are complicated by the fact that I don't think it's particularly great but it is basically the game I've played the most for 2-3 weeks now, so... it must be doing something right. I think the dungeon crawling is enjoyable enough and the amount of quests/equipment makes it addicting. The loot is a ton of different weapons (which is the main objective as you want the different banes each specific weapon has to do more damage, then duplicates to upgrade them or get some better randomized passives/skills, etc.), materials to craft armor with, and accessories. The combat is kinda simple but fun. Harder enemies and bosses can require some skill, and because you'll be cycling through your 6-12 equipped weapons (you can automatically switch to whatever the target is weak to) and you'll have a variety of weapon types at all times, there's at least a good amount of variety in how you're attacking compared to something class-based. The main problem with the dungeon crawling is that I think often clearing floors can be overly tedious if it forces you to run around the entire dungeon map to unlock a door, and that you really may have to rerun a quest several times just to get the items you want so you'll end up wasting more time than you'd like just to get something new.

The customization isn't necessarily a draw, I'd say. You can set your equipment separately for stats and actual appearance. But your appearance matching the daily brand/color/type of clothing increases your rare drop rate, so... you're largely gonna look like a mess just to get better stuff. There's also only 3 slots anyway- hat, armor, and accessory, with accessories not being shown to begin with.

I will also say that I am not a fan of the writing. It is occasionally charming, mostly the monster name puns and all that, but the quest writing largely ranges from questionable to outright bad/shitty. It's a really bizarre approach; I know the original writing was probably bland enough to merit punching up in some way, but making it arbitrarily "adult" only makes it worse.
 

Kyuuji

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My feelings are complicated by the fact that I don't think it's particularly great but it is basically the game I've played the most for 2-3 weeks now, so... it must be doing something right. I think the dungeon crawling is enjoyable enough and the amount of quests/equipment makes it addicting. The loot is a ton of different weapons (which is the main objective as you want the different banes each specific weapon has to do more damage, then duplicates to upgrade them or get some better randomized passives/skills, etc.), materials to craft armor with, and accessories. The combat is kinda simple but fun. Harder enemies and bosses can require some skill, and because you'll be cycling through your 6-12 equipped weapons (you can automatically switch to whatever the target is weak to) and you'll have a variety of weapon types at all times, there's at least a good amount of variety in how you're attacking compared to something class-based. The main problem with the dungeon crawling is that I think often clearing floors can be overly tedious if it forces you to run around the entire dungeon map to unlock a door, and that you really may have to rerun a quest several times just to get the items you want so you'll end up wasting more time than you'd like just to get something new.

The customization isn't necessarily a draw, I'd say. You can set your equipment separately for stats and actual appearance. But your appearance matching the daily brand/color/type of clothing increases your rare drop rate, so... you're largely gonna look like a mess just to get better stuff. There's also only 3 slots anyway- hat, armor, and accessory, with accessories not being shown to begin with.

I will also say that I am not a fan of the writing. It is occasionally charming, mostly the monster name puns and all that, but the quest writing largely ranges from questionable to outright bad/shitty. It's a really bizarre approach; I know the original writing was probably bland enough to merit punching up in some way, but making it arbitrarily "adult" only makes it worse.
Thank you for this - really appreciate the breakdown of everything. Sounds interesting but perhaps not full price interesting coming in new and still have a few games I've yet to jump into between now and Animal Crossing. Will keep an eye on it for a sale or revisit it later on though as it does make me think it'll hit a couple of my weak spots. Keep the thread watched too as it's interesting seeing the posts and getting a sense for things.
 

Tailzo

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I'll add that most missions are quite quick, so it works well as a handheld game to play on your bed. It can be a bit brutal though, despite the colorful graphics and chibi-style it has. Be ready to wipe on some bosses if you're not high level enough. To help you, the game always judges your "chances of completion" before you embark on your chosen quest.
 

Kyuuji

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I'll add that most missions are quite quick, so it works well as a handheld game to play on your bed. It can be a bit brutal though, despite the colorful graphics and chibi-style it has. Be ready to wipe on some bosses if you're not high level enough. To help you, the game always judges your "chances of completion" before you embark on your chosen quest.
Useful extra thanks for the addition!
 

deepFlaw

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Alright, I made it into the second set of DLC content and it honestly makes me think a lot of frustration I've had in the past week is because they kinda fucked up how they handled porting this to a Switch, and then again how they handled thinking about how this localized version would be played? I'm having a much better time clearing bosses (even if the fights are annoyingly long) that are even 10+ levels more than me and have been getting actually good weapons now. I feel like I may actually finally be able to finish the story pretty soon and move on to other stuff. I did end up finally getting 2 wands (+ a shield) from Miracle quests the other day and that helped too, hmm. (Oh, and- if you get a jara burst that places a field that increases damage, I finally discovered tonight that it's waaaaaaay better than I expected, like it's a noticeably stronger effect than the damage increasing cologne I always bring as is.)

Basically, I think an easy way to improve the game is that they really should have given you access to all the non-story DLC 2 stuff immediately, just like with DLC 1. It's clear comparing with the few JP resources we have that they moved some rewards around compared to the original 3DS version, and maybe I'm missing something, but it sure looks like some Jara that are really good for DLC 1's story fights ended up being given in DLC 2? And the weirdly small amount of quests in the level gap between the end of the story and most of DLC 1's quests is slightly mitigated by some DLC 2 quests, which would have been more helpful before I was already that high leveled now. So the path to finishing DLC1 could have been way less steep than it was.

Beyond that, it feels like the JP 3DS version was obviously meant for kids to play a lot of over time, max stuff out, then increase their level caps when each DLC came out. And a lack of information about what each quest's Jara's banes even are could be mitigated by friends telling each other what good ones are (...or by buying a guide, probably). You could even borrow someone else's toy to scan if they had a good one, or buy some yourself. But on Switch, there's no downtime to level up before DLC, it's already there; they really should have harshly rescaled the amount of exp it takes to level to make up for that fact, because the current rate is ridiculously slow. And for us playing the localized version, there is an incredibly frustrating lack of information about good bane weapons that aren't from Miracle points. Similarly, we only have the terrible fortune dailies and no scanning. So they really could have stood to get more info out about good weapons, whether that be in-game or elsewhere.
 

ryushe

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So this game is ¥1000 on the Japanese eShop. How enjoyable is this if I can't read a single lick of Japanese?
 

Bufbaf

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So this game is ¥1000 on the Japanese eShop. How enjoyable is this if I can't read a single lick of Japanese?
Thank you for the heads-up! I discovered the title song of this thing a few days ago and couldn't get it out of my head since, can't speak about the EN quality but the DE song is effing hilariously dumb but catchy af.
Just bought it as well :D
 

ryushe

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Thank you for the heads-up! I discovered the title song of this thing a few days ago and couldn't get it out of my head since, can't speak about the EN quality but the DE song is effing hilariously dumb but catchy af.
Just bought it as well :D
Did it translate to your systems language?