Snipers ordered to shoot children, Israeli general confirms

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Snipers ordered to shoot children, Israeli general confirms

An Israeli general has confirmed that when snipers stationed along Israel's boundary with Gaza shoot at children, they are doing so deliberately, under clear and specific orders.

In a radio interview, Brigadier-General (Reserve) Zvika Fogel describes how a sniper identifies the "small body" of a child and is given authorization to shoot.

Fogel's statements could be used as evidence of intent if Israeli leaders are ever tried for war crimes at the International Criminal Court.

On Friday, an Israeli sniper shot dead 14-year-old Muhammad Ibrahim Ayyoub.

The boy, shot in the head east of Jabaliya, was the fourth child among the more than 30 Palestinians killed during the Great March of Return rallies that began in Gaza on 30 March.

More than 1,600 other Palestinians have been shot with live ammunition that has caused what doctors are calling "horrific injuries" likely to leave many of them with permanent disabilities.

As eyewitnesses and video confirmed, the child Muhammad Ayyoub posed no conceivable danger to heavily armed Israeli occupation forces stationed dozens of meters away behind fences and earthen fortifications on the other side of the Gaza boundary when he was killed.

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On Saturday, Brigadier-General Fogel was interviewed by Ron Nesiel on the Israeli public radio network Kan.

Fogel is the former chief of staff of the Israeli army's "southern command," which includes the occupied Gaza Strip.

Ahmad Tibi, a Palestinian lawmaker in Israel's parliament, drew attention to the interview in a tweet.



A recording of the interview is online (it begins at 6:52). The interview was translated for The Electronic Intifada by Dena Shunra and a full transcript follows this article.

The host Ron Nesiel asks Fogel if the Israeli army should "rethink its use of snipers," and suggests that someone giving orders "lowered the bar for using live fire."

Fogel adamantly defends the policy, stating: "At the tactical level, any person who gets close to the fence, anyone who could be a future threat to the border of the State of Israel and its residents, should bear a price for that violation."

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This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who's been paying attention. They're openly committing war crimes, yet the US will continue to shield them from any accountability.

 

[Deleted member 31817]

And they won't even get a stern condemnation from the US, let alone any meaningful action.

 

[Khanimus]

Not even shocked. Not the first time they've actively attacked kids.

 

[Deleted member 11157]

Too bad there won't ever be justice unless the US stops supporting Israel's ethnic cleansing, which won't happen.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

I don't even know what to say.

 

[PanickyFool]

Too bad there won't ever be justice unless the US stops supporting Israel's ethnic cleansing, which won't happen.

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Schumer and Cuomo both actually discriminate against people who support BDS Israel. Schumer tried to make it a crime.

Edit: Forgot Gillabrand

 

[Muffin]

To the surprise of nobody.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

BDS?

 

[PanickyFool]

BDS?

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Boycott, Divest, Sanction. Basically the apartheid playbook.

 

[Thrill_house]

Thats a war crime. But better not call them out on it or you'll be labeled as antisemitic! Fuck Israel

 

[apocat]

Fucking evil.

 

[onadesertedisland]

Looking back on it, Great Britain really fucked up the planet back in the day...

 

[Siggy-P]

Child murdering bastards.

 

[effingvic]

Not surprised.

 

[Mahonay]

Fucking inhuman. Purposely shooting children in the head because they got too close to your shitty fence.

 

[bunbun777]

Bearing the price huh? No state is worth saving if the killing of innocent children is required.

 

[Victory]

A country has the right to defend itself regardless if the reason is wrong or right. The problem here is, snipers being ordered to take out children doesn't seem like defending yourself.

 

[Antiax]

Disgusting that the USA still keeps supporting them. I can't even comprehend how evil this whole situation is.

 

[lowmelody]

I will wait for Hasbara talking points before forming my own opinion about this incontrovertible evidence.

 

[Deleted member 283]

Not surprised at all. The Israeli government is all kinds of messed up. And stuff like this ain't even a month old yet and tragically didn't get anywhere near the attention it deserves, especially from supposed free speech advocates and slips by the wayside instead:
WaPo: He was wearing a vest marked 'PRESS.' He was shot dead covering a protest in Gaza

 

[PMS341]

A country has the right to defend itself regardless if the reason is wrong or right. The problem here is, snipers being ordered to take out children doesn't seem like defending yourself.

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Murdering people does not equate protection.

 

[Serpens007]

Yeah, but they aren't using chemical weapons, so it's okay right? Fuck them, and every single one of the supporters of Israel.

 

[Real Hero]

There's people on this very forum who will defend this

 

[Tethered Penguin]

What an absolutely pathetic country.

 

[DemonSwordsman]

Can't expect much from a terrorist nation and their paid killers.

 

[Kotto]

I think there is even video footage from the Op Protective Edge time frame of Israel shooting a teenager who threw some rocks at some soldiers and got shot for it. Not at all surprised that they are allowed to shoot kids.

 

[Deleted member 39374]

Waiting for the Israeli Internet Defense Force to jump into this thread as per usual

Disgusting that the USA still keeps supporting them.

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It's an ideological thing. Israel is a western cultural colony in the middle east.

 

[DemonSwordsman]

Yeah, but they aren't using chemical weapons, so it's okay right? Fuck them, and every single one of the supporters of Israel.

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Yeah about that: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza

(i guess technically not chemical weapons?)

 

[Deeks]

"Never Again, unless it's us doing it."

 

[Serpens007]

Yeah about that: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/25/israel-white-phosphorus-gaza

(i guess technically not chemical weapons?)

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Shhhh, don't let anyone know the internatonal community's hypocrisy please

 

[D.A.]

A country has the right to defend itself regardless if the reason is wrong or right. The problem here is, snipers being ordered to take out children doesn't seem like defending yourself.

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Doesn't seem to apply to this case. But there are cases when such can be valid, such as say a place with a history of child suicide bombers, well a a child running with suspicious clothing towards a crowd would be a threat in such a context.

 

[zon]

I wish I could say this shocks me.

 

[TrojanBlade]

So we should be seeing sanctions against Israel coming pretty soon right??? yeah right ...this has been going on since forever but its Israel so nothing happens as usual. West is Israel's bitch.

 

[Luchashaq]

Not even shocked. Not the first time they've actively attacked kids.

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Honestly considering how little the world cares about this slow motion genocide I'm shocked (and glad) Israel hasn't sped it up.

 

[PanickyFool]

So we should be seeing sanctions against Israel coming pretty soon right??? yeah right ...this has been going on since forever but its Israel so nothing happens as usual. West is Israel's bitch.

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https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/720

The bill prohibits any U.S. person engaged interstate or foreign commerce from supporting:

• any request by a foreign country to impose any boycott against a country that is friendly to the United States and that is not itself the object of any form of boycott pursuant to United States law or regulation, or
• any boycott fostered or imposed by any international governmental organization against Israel or any request by any international governmental organization to impose such a boycott.

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[MBeanie]

Israel & the IDF will continue commiting human rights violations and atrocities because they will never require accountability whilst they're backed by the U.S. Killing children on purpose notwithstanding...

 

[Yoshi]

That's truly devastating. I really hope that actions will follow. I seriously doubt it though.

 

[KillLaCam]

Can't have them growing up and reproducing. That'll go against the ethno-state

 

[Astandahl]

These fucking guys. Fuck them.

 

[Commedieu]

Israel is going to get theirs. History proves that you can only push people so much. This is out of control.

 

[astroturfing]

yea i'm not surprised. didn't their justice (lol) minister recently say out right or at least strongly implied all Palestinians should be killed..?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-enemy/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3c5c89d9b570

oh yeah, well it was 2015 but recent enough. there's simply no defending this, there should have been regime change ages ago, many lives could have been saved. elected officials openly fantasizing about swift genocide is too far, right?

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

I think I'm gonna be sick.

 

[NullPointerException]

Israel & the IDF will continue commiting human rights violations and atrocities because they will never require accountability whilst they're backed by the U.S. Killing children on purpose notwithstanding...

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And it'll all play into the Anti-American retort that casually and effectively benefits Putin's agenda. Good job USA. You've just played yourself.

 

[4859]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/720

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Oh what the fuck.

That's not passed yet is it?

 

[Keikaku]

EU sanctions when? Bububu it's antisemitic!

 

[Dick Justice]

But they're just #DefendingTheirBorders, right?

 

[GrooveCommand]

Jesus Christ! Those people are monsters!

 

[1upsuper]

Absolutely revolting and unforgivable.

"Fogel adamantly defends the policy, stating: "At the tactical level, any person who gets close to the fence, anyone who could be a future threat to the border of the State of Israel and its residents, should bear a price for that violation."

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"Could be a future threat?" That's some real Oedipus shit.

 

[Human Resources]

Fogel adamantly defends the policy, stating: "At the tactical level, any person who gets close to the fence, anyone who could be a future threat to the border of the State of Israel and its residents, should bear a price for that violation."

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ex-fucking-cuse me? anyone who could be a future threat? one could easily extend that logic to include ethnic cleansing, which i guess is the point

i adamantly defend the policy of fuck you

 

[Apathy]

You'd think a group of people that went through some horrible shit, who still want us to never forget it, can in less than a century forget that and start resembling and doing equally horrible things