being convinced does not need a negative or positive connotation.
You're right. I'm quitting my job today.What's the point of getting a job and earning money if you just die anyway?
being convinced does not need a negative or positive connotation.
Who was leading the Empire the past 30 years after Vader and the Emperor were killed on the Death Star?
(According to whatever canon is currently "official"?)
Or you could jump in on some war profiteering over on Canto Bight. Might as well make a buck off of it all, right?Imagine how utterly disillusioned galactic citizens must be by the time the New Republic gets toppled, especially if they lived through the fall of the Old Republic and the Empire. I'd probably turn into a space libertarian and hole up in a wasteland on some backwater planet for the rest of my life.
The SWBF2 protagonist is Iden Versio, different person.One in particular is called Sloane and she was the player character in Battlefront 2 that was expanded further in novels as the driving force behind the First Order.
No one, commanders were butting heads while scrambling to put Palpatine's contingency plans in motion. The empire fully lost a year later during the Battle of Jakku. That same year was when The New Republic was organized.Who was leading the Empire the past 30 years after Vader and the Emperor were killed on the Death Star?
(According to whatever canon is currently "official"?)
To be fair, Sauron himself is a second coming of evil after Morgoth. And Morgoth himself is supposed to return in a Ragnarok style final battle where the world ends and is remade.
I'm sure people were equally satisfied at the end of the First Age only for evil to reappear in the second and third.
This is what I wanted to. Like remnants, using old empire equipment instead of bigger shinier versions of the same things.The concept of the First Order is dumb af.
WHY would you not choose to have them as the underdogs/a terrorist group? THAT would've been infinitely more interesting than Empire 2.0
Ah. I see where you are coming from. You're thinking stupid things like c3po being built by anakin and everyone having met once. R2d2, boba and etc. Yeah, I completely agree with you in regards to character relations. What I meant, was from a world building perspective. We had a lot of imaginative new ideas for the prequels while the sequels have relied on things we have seen before. I don't think I've seen any place in the sequel trilogy that really sparkled your imagination of what the universe can look like. I will always think that the ships were too shiny in the prequels, but it still gave us so much that expanded the asthetics of the universe and the locals.Let's not get crazy. Regardless of the sins of the sequel trilogy the prequels did more to shrink the universe than it did to expand it. I heard the Clone Wars show is great but I'm just talking about mainline films.
I think Ach-To has worked itself into being a very iconic Star Wars locale. That island has become very iconic imagery for the franchise in just a short few years.Ah. I see where you are coming from. You're thinking stupid things like c3po being built by anakin and everyone having met once. R2d2, boba and etc. Yeah, I completely agree with you in regards to character relations. What I meant, was from a world building perspective. We had a lot of imaginative new ideas for the prequels while the sequels have relied on things we have seen before. I don't think I've seen any place in the sequel trilogy that really sparkled your imagination of what the universe can look like. I will always think that the ships were too shiny in the prequels, but it still gave us so much that expanded the asthetics of the universe and the locals.
The arguably beatiful city planet we are presented to when first seeing it, which is also shown to have a gritty underworld
Naboo with it's middle eastern inspired cities, which also has the deep contrast with the gungan society under the sea.
Almost Every place has a unique intersting visual asthetic that expands a bit on how a planet can look like In the star wars universe, how people can look like, how they live etc. They feel lived in, and like more than sets is what I'm saying.
It looks fine, but it doesn't really spark your imagination. It doesn't look like you've been transported to another planet.I think Ach-To has worked itself into being a very iconic Star Wars locale. That island has become very iconic imagery for the franchise in just a short few years.
Oh I disagree completely, when I first saw Ach-To it sparked my imagination. It is such a cool locale far different than any place we saw in Star Wars before. It really stood out and left a mark in my brain of wondering what type of life was there, the history of the Jedi there.It looks fine, but it doesn't really spark your imagination. It doesn't look like you've been transported to another planet.
I think Ach-To has worked itself into being a very iconic Star Wars locale. That island has become very iconic imagery for the franchise in just a short few years.
I remember really liking Kamino and Naboo (including the Gungan city). Geonosis was a cool concept but there's only so far that goes if it's just the backdrop of a battle.It's funny seeing people look back fondly on the designs and worlds in the prequels because I remember at the time the criticism was that the movie didn't feel like Star Wars.
Like, come on, did anyone really like Kamino, Geonosis, Utapau or Mustafar? Were you really wowed by the underwater Gungan city? Even the worlds shown in the Order 66 montage looked like a cheap animated movie.
It was really only Coruscant that really stood out to me, personally.
I remember really liking Kamino and Naboo (including the Gungan city). Geonosis was a cool concept but there's only so far that goes if it's just the backdrop of a battle.
Coruscant didn't feel very new to me due to being familiar with it through the EU already. And I'll admit that Naboo resonates with me more than other PT locales because how much of it was actually shot on location.
It's funny seeing people look back fondly on the designs and worlds in the prequels because I remember at the time the criticism was that the movie didn't feel like Star Wars.
Like, come on, did anyone really like Kamino, Geonosis, Utapau or Mustafar? Were you really wowed by the underwater Gungan city? Even the worlds shown in the Order 66 montage looked like a cheap animated movie.
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Something doesn't become better just because the creator planned it. Look at the prequels, look at the Potterverse.If it makes you feel any better, Lucas (the author of Star Wars) was planning on making a new trilogy before the Disney buyout and his outline for episode 7 included Luke in self-imposed exile on a remote planet. It would be fair to assume the reason for this might have involved failing to restore the Jedi Order. JJ and KK have said they consulted Lucas for episode 9 so his sequel trilogy probably did involve Palpatine in some fashion, too.
Exactly.Pretty much.
I'm tired of the lazy argument that, "nothing lasts forever and pay attention to history." First, Star Wars isn't real life. If Rey, Finn, and Poe were all vaporized by a random passing photon torpedo on the battlefield I doubt you'd just shrug and go, "welp, that shit happens in real life. Good guys and heroes don't always win or survive in war." So, that argument is without merit.
The second lazy argument is that the series is called STAR WARS thus conflict and war is inevitable. Again, this is a poor argument that creates a strawman for an easy rebuttal. No one is saying that SW films should be without conflict, they're saying that a new conflict so soon after our OT heroes last victory, a conflict that completely negates their victory, is poor taste.
There could have still been a new conflict without completely destroying the New Republic, creating the Empire 2.0, and completely destroying the Jedi Order, again. This isn't just some new conflict, it's the exact same conflict our heroes won. It tells us that they all utterly failed. And, they couldn't even get a decade of peace. Remember, the war didn't end with ROTJ. Five years after that they were still pushing the Empire back. Then when they finally won and the New Republic came about, they got a few years of peace before TFO showed up. So, the "peace" was beyond fleeting.
It's understandable that people are upset that there heroes failed so completely so soon after their victory. As another pointed out, it's like Sauron's brother coming back and fucking up Middle Earth a few years after ROTK. It's nonsense.
It's funny how people say Ahch-To feels otherworldly, since to me it's one of the most ordinary looking locations in all of Star Wars. Probably because Ahch-To is literally a place on Earth. Like, the only thing they did is change Puffins into Porgs and add those Muppet-looking Caretakers. Even the "Jedi temples" are actually old monastry ruins that are already on the real-life island.
Even stuff like Tatooine and the Forest Moon of Endor felt more otherworldly to me since at least those put these weird cities, creatures and societies inside their environment that made those places feel different, even though it was just a sandy desert and a big forest.
You could have made the First Order work if Snoke had some sort of backstory and the main general guys wasnt such a joke. Ren being a petulant man-child is ok because he needs a growth arc but the other two are completely unconvincing as leaders of a remnant military-industrial complex at odds with an overly hands-off pacifist government that eventually throws a bloody coup.
The First Order needed a cunning merciless leader to square off with a hard nosed Leia. Thrawn would have been perfect for this IMHO. But JJ wanted his mystery boxes, no exposition, all action with familiar beats and aesthetics, sonthat is what we got.
Snoke not being a focus and the way the generals were are a huge strength.