Voting for Trump does not make you racist , they most likely held those views well before trump came along.
That's just semantics, it's all a part of the pattern.
Voting for Trump does not make you racist , they most likely held those views well before trump came along.
which eventually led to my uncle bringing up some racist stats
I did on the first page.
i think the problem is the word racist and racism has been redefined and that the word doesn't mean the same thing today as it did during the 60's.
I want to do the first but the second might be better for me.For real options, I'd recommend one of two:
Start researching and throwing facts and data about every falsehood and poor decision they make. Dispute each instance nonsense they post with sources, real ones.
or
Tell them you're going to have to stop talking with them until they start using facts instead of feelings and fear to make decisions. Then stop talking to them.
While it might be hard, being family is not be a free pass for being bad people, nor should it be a reason for you to tolerate them. The first option takes more of your personal time, will, and potentially sanity, but if the relationship with them is important to you, it might be the only option. It also might lead them to change their minds.
The second option will be harder on you at the start, but much less stressful longterm. It also will leave them to continue their ways.
Are you sure they dont know they are racist? Seems like a pretty odd thing to not knowNot my immediate family, but my family that lives in Florida (I'm Canadian) and a few others.
They voted for Trump in 2016, and probably will again in 2020. I've never agreed with them politically, but we always got along as family.
But tonight on our whatsapp group chat, we were talking about the recent shooting, which eventually led to my uncle bringing up some racist stats, and then it just got worse...
Not sure what to think. Like, it's bad enough I can confidently say they are racist. They just don't know it themselves; therein lies the problem today.
You keep telling yourself that.See that I can't agree with. My Dad voted for Trump because he's is a hard line conservative. He's certainly not a racist, ignorant absolutely, but he doesn't have a malicious bone in his body.
Everyone votes for different reasons, I don't believe that all conservatives are mustache twirling Nazis. A lot of their beliefs are abhorrent but think for most it comes from ignorance and too much Fox News.
That doesn't justify their beliefs but I refuse to accept that every last Republican votes out of a malevolent hatred for minorities.
How about you answer that question with a little more tact and detail instead of a drive by post? I live by the belief to never stereotype a group of people and try to the best of my ability to judge on an individual basis. I'm not going to compromise that belief just because some shit heads on Twitter love to make asses of themselves.
I was talking about your dad, not you, unless you yourself voted Trump, in that case, you're just as racist as those who outright say abhorrent racist shit too.How about you answer that question with a little more tact and detail instead of a drive by post? I live by the belief to never stereotype a group of people and try to the best of my ability to judge on an individual basis. I'm not going to compromise that belief just because some shit heads on Twitter love to make asses of themselves.
im not sure if I should focus on how good this first post is or how dumb op was to think otherwise for so long.They voted for Trump
how did you not know then
and yes they are racist based off what you said in the OP
I've seen indications that such stats are false. Anyone know if there is any comprehensive factual debunking for such claims?Precisely this. Exact quote:
I then tried to point out to them that it's racist to blame black american for a situation that white americans systematically put, and then kept them there.
And then my other uncle...
In this instance the claim isn't "black on black crime is greater than white/cop on black crime" which is the Blue Lives Matter talking point. It's that, if you removed black on black crime from US murder statistics we'd be in line with the rest of the civilized world.Isn't white on white crime around 87%?
Because you shoot people you live next to.
See that I can't agree with. My Dad voted for Trump because he's is a hard line conservative. He's certainly not a racist, ignorant absolutely, but he doesn't have a malicious bone in his body.
That doesn't justify their beliefs but I refuse to accept that every last Republican votes out of a malevolent hatred for minorities.
And you're absolutely right in that belief. But if they are not themselves racist towards minorities then they are still indifferent to their plight and are also guilty of turning a blind eye/enabling racism
Then, at the least they don't care about other people on this planet. Voting Trump (even GOP) shows you have no empathy for anything/one else.How about you answer that question with a little more tact and detail instead of a drive by post? I live by the belief to never stereotype a group of people and try to the best of my ability to judge on an individual basis. I'm not going to compromise that belief just because some shit heads on Twitter love to make asses of themselves.
Being racist is different from being a racist monster. Nor is calling someone a racist a call to "give up". It's a statement of displayed behavior. And we are where we are today as a culture by the efforts of marginalized groups to change the culture around them. People who literally endured mental/emotional scars, physical injuries and death in the face of opposition to drag along racists kicking and screaming into more and more progressive eras rather than the actual naive belief that everyone can be changed as long as you never call their behavior out for what it is and that it's the duty of the persecuted to pamper bigots into believing in the humanity of the oppressed.And will absolutely not argue that. I simply believe a vast majority do not realize this or are incredibly naive about the realities of the world. I have a strong belief in education and reform but that can't be done if you're going just going to call them racist monsters.
It might be naive on my part to believe it will work but damn it, I'm still going to try. It's better than giving up on those that can potentially change.
See that I can't agree with. My Dad voted for Trump because he's is a hard line conservative. He's certainly not a racist, ignorant absolutely, but he doesn't have a malicious bone in his body.
Everyone votes for different reasons, I don't believe that all conservatives are mustache twirling Nazis. A lot of their beliefs are abhorrent but think for most it comes from ignorance and too much Fox News.
That doesn't justify their beliefs but I refuse to accept that every last Republican votes out of a malevolent hatred for minorities.
I want to do the first but the second might be better for me.
My cousin's joked about buying more bump stocks after Vegas smh
And a frequent mistake is people continuing to imply only certain parts of the US is an issue on topics like these. It's not just Florida or Texas or the south. It's everywhere. California, NY, MA, OH, all 50 states.Florida. Florida. Yep. All of my family in Florida all hands on deck for trump. So glad I left there