So, is toothpaste and mouthwash a scam?

Arcade55

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Oct 27, 2017
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I remember my grandma brushing her teeth with some sort of baking soda shit she mixed with something else every morning her entire life.

She had most of her teeth until she died at 77 and I don't recall her breathe smelling.

So maybe you can use other things? But I don't think just water and a brush will do the trick very well lol.
 

BennyWhatever

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Oct 27, 2017
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Toothpaste, yes it's important. It strengthens the enamel on your teeth and (depending on the toothpaste) can provide a protective layer if you have sensitive teeth.

Mouthwash is hogwash. I've been told by 3 different hygienists that, while you SHOULD rinse, you should just use water.
 

moeman

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Oct 25, 2017
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This article doesn’t make a very convincing argument. It cited one study (which if you read the study states that only plaque was studied and not the other things flossing can help with). Floss can help get food stuck between your teeth out. The food that gets stuck there, even if it stays for a day, can become colonized with bacteria and become foul smelling. This can lead to increased inflammation of your gums and major halitosis. So floss yo.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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For me, most toothpastes cause an allergic reaction. I don't use them at all.

I brush with warm water only, but I get more frequent cleanings at the dentist to help regulate mouth pH.
 

Van Bur3n

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Oct 27, 2017
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It is highly advisable that you brush your teeth with toothpaste. Please brush your teeth with toothpaste.

I've heard mixed things on flossing and mouthwash. For flossing, I think some people need it and some people don't. I personally think I need it, especially with the permanent retainer that I have. Mouthwash is probably the least essential of them all, but I personally use it anyway because why not.

I've had a history of bad tooth hygiene, an entire solidified wall of tartar on my lower front teeth at one point with the risk of periodontal. Ever since I've gotten it cleaned out I've utilized all three of these things and my teeth are better than ever. Never hurts to be thorough.
 
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Also, in case it has not been stated, you do not need to use a fluoridated toothpaste if your water supply already contains fluoride. Use an Arm & Hammer baking soda toothpaste or something. But physically scrubbing (SOFTLY!) your teeth will eliminate food residue that can cause cavities (due to bacteria leaving behind corrosive material as part of their food-breakdown process).

I don't know why OP is so fixated on fluoride.
 

Denman

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Apr 21, 2018
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Did people 1000 years ago, before toothpaste, just accept bad breath as a norm? Would they even noticed it as bad?
 

BMW

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Oct 25, 2017
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Toilet paper is also a scam. I wipe my butt by rubbing against trees.
 

hobblygobbly

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Oct 25, 2017
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water is not abrasive enough to brush with.

mouthwash depends on the person, bad breath stems from either stomach/nasal problems (like sinuses) or mouth bacteria causing it. if you don‘t have bacteria causing it, it‘s rather useless yes.
 

MindofKB

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Oct 27, 2017
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Brush your teeth with toothpaste and floss regularly.

It's so sad that people try to question the need for basic hygiene.
 

kikiribu

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Oct 25, 2017
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How are those homeless guys on the street still alive if they can't brush or floss?

Checkmate, scam artists
 

muteKi

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Also, in case it has not been stated, you do not need to use a fluoridated toothpaste if your water supply already contains fluoride. Use an Arm & Hammer baking soda toothpaste or something. But physically scrubbing (SOFTLY!) your teeth will eliminate food residue that can cause cavities (due to bacteria leaving behind corrosive material as part of their food-breakdown process).
Hell, y'all ain't need to get shit minty fresh or whatever either; it's all about managing bacterial populations and making sure the shit that causes decay doesn't stick on there. Honestly I think the best way to control breath quality is by maintaining a good fluid intake during the day (major factor in 'morning breath' is that you're going roughly 1/3 of the day without having any water).
 

GrimJawz

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think a lot of it has to do with genetics, I only brush my teeth like every other day and never use mouth wash or floss, and I've never even gotten a cavity. Hell I went a couple of years without brushing them at all.
 

N.Domixis

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Oct 28, 2017
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Toilet paper is a scam, the Anus evolved to naturally cleanse itself.
Ive felt more energetic and healthy since I stopped wiping.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Victoria, BC
I actually think flossing is more important than brushing (but obviously you should brush). I don't really have any data to back this up, it just feels like it's doing more for my mouth hygiene.
Nah, flossing was shown recently to be a huge waste of time was it not?

 

The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
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Toothpaste is not a scam.

Mouthwash really doesn't do anything by most accounts, and in some cases does harm by affecting helpful mouth bacteria while supposedly trying to kill "bad" mouth bacteria. Mouthwash should be thought of more like makeup, it might make you feel good, and so if it does, go for it. Is confidence or a "Fresh feeling" health-related? In the same way a haircut or lipstick is -- sure, why not.

The jury of medical science is out on whether "Listerine prevents gum diseases." It's an alcohol-based solution, so it'll kill some organisms just like using an alcohol cleanser on on your acne might, but the idea that it's actively fighting against gum disease and doing so effectively is a marketing exaggeration. Don't mistake marketing slogans for actual health recommendations.

Listerine has a wonderful history of claiming to treat things as a miracle cure that it's never been proven to do anything to. It was originally used to clean floors, which sure, it did a fairly okay job at like any alcohol-based cleanser; Then it was marketed as treating gonorrhea, which it didn't work at all, then the common cold, and everything else, until finally Listerine basically made up the concept of "Halitosis," the word was basically unknown in english, and they hit on something a lot of people worry about but probably don't need to -- chronic bad breath (which listerine really can't treat at all, as most chronic bad breath is way past your mouth)

Incidentally SYSK reposted their ep on Halitosis a couple weeks back: https://www.stuffyoushouldknow.com/podcasts/sysk-selects-halitosis-worst-smell-ever.htm
 
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Jiminy

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Mar 29, 2018
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In America, yeah you're already on decent state with fluoride in the water.

Brushing still important but it puts you in good stead.

Most of the world doesn't have that luxury
 

Pirate Bae

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Toothbrushes remove stuck plaque from the surface of your teeth and in between them.

Mouthwash should be used periodically but you don’t have to do it everyday. Most important is brushing and flossing.
 

JigglesBunny

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Oct 27, 2017
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Quoting myself from the leg washing thread in May...
It’s an extra twenty seconds to make you a less repugnant and foul smelling human, what universe could you possibly live in where you’re able to justify neglecting to do this?

Wash your entire fucking body from your hair to toes (WITH SOAP), keep your damn nails and hair trimmed, use deodorant and brush and floss your damn teeth at least twice a day at minimum. It’s so incredibly easy and will literally never have a negative effect and if some musty bastard replies to this hoping to dissuade me from this stance or justify why they’re allowed to pollute my breathing air with their booty stank and armpit sweat, I will lose my damn mind.
 

Hokey

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Oct 29, 2017
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Floss and brush is all you need. Mouthwash only good for in-between/temporary freshness but it's not required and I would use it very sparringly (most dentists don't recommend using at all).
 

Kyser73

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Oct 25, 2017
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How about you try this, subpar spatula

Stop brushing with toothpaste between my your next two checkup & clean visits to your dentist and see if they notice you haven’t been using toothpaste.

Then tell them you aren’t if they don’t say anything.
 
OP
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Oct 26, 2017
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How about you try this, subpar spatula

Stop brushing with toothpaste between my your next two checkup & clean visits to your dentist and see if they notice you haven’t been using toothpaste.

Then tell them you aren’t if they don’t say anything.
I actually just got back from my cleaning. Hygienist asked about my cleaning routine, etc. Took x-rays. Dentist looked at my teeth. No cavities, no whatever, and to be fair. I've been pretty lax. I basically stopped flossing years ago, i'll brush once a day, but lightly, and rarely use mouth wash. Gums were 3mm and lower, very little build up below bottom retainer, etc. No issues were brought up. Maybe I should see a new dentist.
 

Kyser73

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Oct 25, 2017
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I actually just got back from my cleaning. Hygienist asked about my cleaning routine, etc. Took x-rays. Dentist looked at my teeth. No cavities, no whatever, and to be fair. I've been pretty lax. I basically stopped flossing years ago, i'll brush once a day, but lightly, and rarely use mouth wash. Gums were 3mm and lower, very little build up below bottom retainer, etc. No issues were brought up. Maybe I should see a new dentist.
Do you have a low-sugar/low-acidity diet? That can have a huge impact on how healthy your teeth can be
 

MrH

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Nov 3, 2017
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My dentist said mouthwash is a waste of money and does nothing, but yeah, you'll want to use toothpaste.