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So wait, the clones being on the side of the good was supposed to be a plot twist?
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Nah Episode 2 was like turbo spoiled in marketing. Or maybe that was 3.
I think internally before the PT the concept of "the clone wars" was in constant flux and at one point, they were the bad guys.
Also, from a certain point of view, the clones were always the bad guys, waiting for palpatine to tell them to kill all those jedi. I think that was meant to be the bigger twist
I think internally before the PT the concept of "the clone wars" was in constant flux and at one point, they were the bad guys.
Also, from a certain point of view, the clones were always the bad guys, waiting for palpatine to tell them to kill all those jedi. I think that was meant to be the bigger twist
Kind of? Pre-PT people were never sure whether the Clones in the Clone War were the "good guys" or not. There were comics that assumed that the clones were bad guys that fought the Jedi for the whole war, there were fan theories that Obi-Wan himself was a clone soldier of an original Jedi named Ben Kenobi (people speculating that "Obi-Wan" was a corruption of "OB-1," some kind of clone designation number).
it could be "attack of the jedi/republic" and still have the same connotation
i think the point was "uh oh we clones here to wreck shit up" regardless of the film's quality
wow, you're only just now figuring this out, huh?
it's not like, the movie literally spells it out for you or anything.
it's not like, the movie literally spells it out for you or anything.
The stormtroopers being good guys was kind of a twist, yeah. Though the real fun was the are the Empire era stormtroopers clones or not fallout.
IIRC it basically went from "yeah, they're all clones from a variety of sources" to "it's mixed, clones supplemented by regular troops" to what eventually became the canon "clones were phased out and replaced by recruits."
IIRC it basically went from "yeah, they're all clones from a variety of sources" to "it's mixed, clones supplemented by regular troops" to what eventually became the canon "clones were phased out and replaced by recruits."
How are they ever the good guys? The republic is clearly set up as being corrupted/ran by Palpatine even in phantom menace.
We weren't sure about that prior to the PT. For a long time, people speculated that the Republic had actually been conquered by the Empire. Some theories involved them using an army of clones to do it.
This is cool and relevant with all the media manipulation today, but disney would never allow it.
Real shit, what would you rename the mess of a film AoC? There has to be something better.
Clone Conspiracy?
Clone Conspiracy?
well, he was just a simple man trying to make his way in the universe
Not exactly. After the empire fell there was a power vacuum as centrists and populists fought over the future course of the new republic. First order amassed power/assets/people over 30 or so years after ROTJ. It includes remnants of the empire but it's not a continuation of the empire exactly.
Well I wasn't completely down with everything when it came out, I was like 11 or 12 or something when the movies hit, but I was indeed surprised when the clones were the good guys even after watching trailers and whatnot on TV. The film was called Attack of the Clones and they looked like storm troopers. I'm sure it was probably revealed prior to the film's release, but at the time I don't think it was common knowledge.
The film has many problems, but the title isn't one of them.
What? The twist with the clones was that Dooku was ordered to create them by Sidious and at first seeming good (because they are with the republic), they were really always going to betray the jedi at Sidious' call. Which is realized in Ep.3.
Stop browsing instagram and actually observe and listen to what is happening. #AttackoftheCondescension
Stop browsing instagram and actually observe and listen to what is happening. #AttackoftheCondescension
Yeah, I can remember my friends and I talking about that stuff back in the 90s. Similarly, I can remember us imagining what the Clones Wars were for hours on end, then getting so stoked when the prequels were coming out so we'd find out...and ultimately disappointment.
I haven't paid that much attention to new EU stuff but I just learned that apparently Sifo Dyas was actually a real Jedi and not just count Dooku faking a name.
Some regular Jedi was just able to place an order for an army capable of conquering the Galaxy.
Some regular Jedi was just able to place an order for an army capable of conquering the Galaxy.
Honestly the idea of a mystery sideplot with Obiwan could of been cool, with anakin instead of doing protection being sent as a Watson type to do some errand and that going wrong in it's own way, and the two meet up again.
As kid me and friend always debated if droids or clones were cooler, I always found clones to be better. Is there any reason they switched to recurits?
As kid me and friend always debated if droids or clones were cooler, I always found clones to be better. Is there any reason they switched to recurits?
ehh... the "remnants of the Empire" are the ones who officially formed the First Order, on standing orders from Palpatine in the event of his death. They're basically the Empire.
Old EU material also put the Clone Wars much further back in history, like 30-40 years before the OT instead of 19 years before Ep IV. Although that would have opened up a Simpsons-style timeline plothole where you wonder how the Empire let Luke and Leia be born in the first place, being only 19 themselves.
I once had an hour debate with my dad about this at church
Him:
"THATS STUPID CARTOON CANON. AND LESS INTERESTING. IT WAS PALAPTINE SETTING THINGS IN MOTION FROM THE START. WHY WOULD THEY CHANGE THAT? THE PREQUELS ARE UNDOING ANY GOOD IDEAS THEY HAD NOW. FUCKING CARTOONS."
You mean III? I always felt that it was odd that the clones including Obi-wan's commander turned so suddenly at the snap of a finger. Like the fact that Cody went from friendly bro handing back Obi-wan his lightsaber that he recovered for him on the ground to immediately ordering his execution without hesitation. Even back then, I was hearing rumors that the clones had chips or something in their heads that prompted them to carry the order without question.
The novelization actually portrays Cody as being annoyed that the order came in immediately after he gave Obi-Wan back his lightsaber. I thought it worked at the time, but it has been quite a while.
It was certainly not especially well received as a title, even by its own cast.