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The first time I saw Infinite I thought it was definitely a next-gen game.
This may not be true for every game
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So what’s a next-gen game look like?
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i don't think next gen games will look significantly different. most likely the biggest change will be playing at 4K as standard (no upscaling) with a rock solid 30fps or even 60fps. ray tracing is too far away for consoles. that is probably the only major technology that is on PCs right now. We'll see other quality of other visuals improve but nothing major.
games will become more complex in other ways...larger maps, more detail, better animations etc
games will become more complex in other ways...larger maps, more detail, better animations etc
I think the first trailer of Horizon (Zero Dawn) 2 will give us a good point of reference.
Big budget, competent studio, competent engine and it should be one of the first major exclusives developed for a single next gen platform.
I don't think any current gen open world game will top RDR2, and TLoU2 will probably end up being the best looking current gen game when all is said and done.
But I don't know how big of a jump we should expect visually come next gen. I don't think image quality improvements will be very noticeable(coming from X and Pro) and I also dont't expect 60FPS to become a new standard in all kinds of games, especially not big budget single player titles. But I think physics, motion in the world, reactiveness/interactivity, volumetric effects and many other things will be used a lot more and at higher quality. Draw distances will expand, facial rendering will improve. And especially animation quality will see significant improvements.
However, a lot of these things currently aren't exactly bottlenecked by hardware power as much as they are bottlenecked by budget and specifically development time and man power. So I think that the visual disparity between big budget titles and smaller titles will grow larger. Especially in areas like animation and the overall quality of details.
It will be very tough for developers to bring these new consoles to their limits, because you actually have to create all the stuff you want them to render and that is A LOT of work. But on the other hand, this could mean that more devs rather decide to go with 60FPS instead of spending a lot more time and budget on maxing out the rendering budget at 30FPS.
Big budget, competent studio, competent engine and it should be one of the first major exclusives developed for a single next gen platform.
I don't think any current gen open world game will top RDR2, and TLoU2 will probably end up being the best looking current gen game when all is said and done.
But I don't know how big of a jump we should expect visually come next gen. I don't think image quality improvements will be very noticeable(coming from X and Pro) and I also dont't expect 60FPS to become a new standard in all kinds of games, especially not big budget single player titles. But I think physics, motion in the world, reactiveness/interactivity, volumetric effects and many other things will be used a lot more and at higher quality. Draw distances will expand, facial rendering will improve. And especially animation quality will see significant improvements.
However, a lot of these things currently aren't exactly bottlenecked by hardware power as much as they are bottlenecked by budget and specifically development time and man power. So I think that the visual disparity between big budget titles and smaller titles will grow larger. Especially in areas like animation and the overall quality of details.
It will be very tough for developers to bring these new consoles to their limits, because you actually have to create all the stuff you want them to render and that is A LOT of work. But on the other hand, this could mean that more devs rather decide to go with 60FPS instead of spending a lot more time and budget on maxing out the rendering budget at 30FPS.
I've never been a graphics or tech guy but I enjoy these discussions nonetheless................it's great going into next gen without a care in the world about what games will look like though because they are gonna look fantastic to me regardless.
I was watching that Watch Dogs reveal earlier this week, and man that does not look great anymore. Lighting and animation were not great, and dear god that aliasing.
This. We're already reaching a point where its not hardware, but the cost of actually making the most of said hardware that will act as a bottleneck. As you say, this is going to perhaps lead to more 60fps titles, but I think more likely it'll lead to much more native 4K experiences. Given the refresh consoles are all about that 4k life, it would be a really bad look for a next gen console to release without that same focus. I think next gen games will look a lot like current gen games at native 4K (obviously not the ones that already run at that resolution), as this seems to be one of the only humanly possible ways of actually making use of the extra rendering power.
You got the ability to see into the future. Now tell us something about launch titles please.
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I think we'll finally come close to Blizzard,Square Enix, Unreal CG trailers/Tech demos.
Whats so special about Harry Potter? lol
Look like it can be from this gen. Anthem look better than that
Look like it can be from this gen. Anthem look better than that
Making impressive looking games are getting more expensive but there's still lots of way developpers can improve graphics without spending more money. They can improve the draw distance, the numbers of NPCs, lighting, reflections...
Hair is an easy way to improve visual fidelity.
Improving clothing physics could be great too!
If PS5 and Xbox 2 are 12tflops or more, it will be the same kind of jump in gpu power that we got this generation.
Hair is an easy way to improve visual fidelity.
Improving clothing physics could be great too!
If PS5 and Xbox 2 are 12tflops or more, it will be the same kind of jump in gpu power that we got this generation.
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Physics (if they were real time and not pre-scripted or anything)
I hope for a huge upgrade in image quality, either by smart algorithms or like Nvidia's approach via a trained network.
I expect a big jump in terms of AI and hope for more freedom in interaction with the world you play in, soaking you more into the world. And please don't take away controls from me for whatever reason just to tell a story...
Besides that, I don't know what's going on on the "scientific" part of things. Things not only get better because devs know the hardware better but they also find better, faster and smarter ways of solving problems that before too to long to be implemented in a game.
I expect a big jump in terms of AI and hope for more freedom in interaction with the world you play in, soaking you more into the world. And please don't take away controls from me for whatever reason just to tell a story...
Besides that, I don't know what's going on on the "scientific" part of things. Things not only get better because devs know the hardware better but they also find better, faster and smarter ways of solving problems that before too to long to be implemented in a game.
Lighting/Particle/Spell/AI
Of course it's blurry off screen footage so people might not get the differences.
It's also rumored to be cross gen so this is probably just the next gen version.
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I would also like to see improved cloth physics but it needs to be done right and not overdone. Cloth needs to be realistic relative to its material. Not everything should move like silk.
I hope we will see the Watchdogs and 1313 like games at E3 this year. Those games gave us an idea last gen of what Next Gen - so the current gen - would look like.
Don't know about that. Killzone: Shadowfall, Knack and Driveclub (launch or launch window titles) all looked way better than PS3 TLOU imo.
I think among game developers, being able to animate a character putting on a shirt in real time is considered the true Holy Grain.
There still isn't anything on consoles that matches that Killzone 2 trailer in real-time. I'm still screenshots...yeah, but not those varied animations and AI actions of so many things on screen at once. Not those dynamic explosions and particle effects.
I'm hoping the jump in CPU power next gen gets us closer to that demo we saw 13 years ago.
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Not sure, we probably will have to wait till next gen to actually see it. Remember at the beginning of this gen where people thought this gen was going to be a bunch of uprezed last gen games. TLOU remastered got outclassed regularly (outside of animations) once this gen started getting its stride. I assume the same will be with nextgen. A bunch of better versions of the pro/x1 versions in the beginning then games blowing them out the water.
That trailer looks terrible now.
If we are gonna be impressed by trailers not matching gameplay, BFV raised the bar on that front.
With mid gen refresh, I expect minor improvement.
I do expect LOD will be pushed back and more stable presentation and performance and some sort of faux Ray Tracing thing like checkerboard 4K, by either MS or Sony.
I do expect LOD will be pushed back and more stable presentation and performance and some sort of faux Ray Tracing thing like checkerboard 4K, by either MS or Sony.
And what if its cross gen and the xbox ps4 versions have that stuff? Is that impossible???
It'll be like all the current cross gen PS3/360 and PS4/Bone games? You'll get a version of the game but the next gen version will obviously look and run better?
Well that aint really a next gen game then imo. Thats why saying harry potter is pointless
The Last of Us Part II is the first thing that came to mind. Those animations are unlike anything I've ever seen in a game before it.
Yeah, that's a no from me:
Better face details than Cyberpunk 2077 and TLOU2, next gen will start this year.
Yeah, that's a no from me:
I mean. I get what youre saying about Fifa.
However, Raytracing is the end goal. Its not "bloom". Far from it.
And I am all in with VR. I have a VR room in my house, with a Vive and a PSVR. Also Plan on buying a Vive Pro Eye.
VR is the future, but resolution and ray tracing are both super important goal posts to reach with VR. So you should be on board too. The slightest bit of resolution boost or supersampling is huge in VR even now.
Very true sir, It's a big gen for VR coming up, This year we get the Quest which is standalone and huge for appeal. I'm already gonna get Vive Pro too. FOV rendering is a great step forward.
Maybe RT will have ripple effects for all of gaming let alone VR. We just need info now on these new consoles! Exciting year all round really.
I don't think people realize the jump will be larger than most realize. Mid gen has done absolutely nothing expect provide better resolution/frame rate to games already based on <2TF machines. Nothing special or unique. Next gen will crush base and mid gen machines alike.
I think this is a detail people are forgetting.
If developers were allowed to make games designed from the ground up on Pro and X they'd probably look significantly better than games look on Pro and X now. So when next-gen drops, the leap as far as the minimum spec goes will be all the way from the base current-gen machines. How big that'll be remains to be seen.
Lol I remember I got bitched at for being negative by a lot of people here when that trailer hit and I said the actual gameplay would look absolutely nothing like that. That the footage was littered with animations and effects that reek of being pre-rendered.
I love BFV and play it often, but man, it's crazy people still fall for that stuff.
Here's hoping PS5 can pull that trailer off in real time!
I think the majority of Japanese games will not get much of a boost at all beyond resolution because they will want to get Nintendo Switch sales too.
Beyond that I think the next gen will seem like a mediocre upgrade simply due to the mid gen refreshes we got with Xbox One X, PlayStation 4 Pro and I guess Nintendo Switch.
Beyond that I think the next gen will seem like a mediocre upgrade simply due to the mid gen refreshes we got with Xbox One X, PlayStation 4 Pro and I guess Nintendo Switch.
I think next-gen should be more than just improved visual fidelity and "4K/60FPS", it should be about advanced A.I. applications and how you can interact with the game's world.
Imagine the best looking games on console now, now imagine them running at 60fps and looking a little better.
Next gen is about the CPU being better...imagine what rockstar can do if they were able to target a real CPU, GTAVI will be bonkers.
Next gen is about the CPU being better...imagine what rockstar can do if they were able to target a real CPU, GTAVI will be bonkers.
Folks never learn. I still remember being told "Witcher 2 graphics at best on PS4". Your mid-gen console or high end PC running XB1/PS4 games at Ultra Settings isn't going to be a close approximation of what to expect from next gen.
When Horizon 2 gets unveiled, faces will melt guaranteed.
PC Witcher 2, PC Crysis 2 (and PC Crysis 1 to be honest), PC Battlefield 3, and PC Medal of Honor Warfighter are comparable to PS4 launch games mostly. Compare that to Uncharted 4. I think it's possible there will be a similar difference between Last of Us II and the first PS5-exclusive games.
This was made using a gtx titan X, which is like a overclocked Rx590
So next gen should be able to do these visuals at 4k
Never forget
I still wonder if Capcom will go all in on RE Engine for next-gen or ressurect Panta Rhei as an eventual replacement down the line.
Maybe if the first PS5 exclusives are Knack 3 and uh, I don't know, something else as mediocre as Knack. :p
God of War: Ascension is the best looking PS3 game to me and there was a pretty clear difference between that and Killzone: Shadow Fall. I expect there to be a similar leap with early PS5 exclusives.
Scenery in Red Dead Redemption 2 on Xbox One X/Pro looks similar to this video.
Yup, I have no doubt in my mind about these visual on a next gen machine. RDR2 already seems pretty close.